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smog
this anon fucking HATES trackers
>>105167
anon
h8..
anon
bad..
anon
*make
smog
>>105167
ok this is the only real music actually you're right
smog
all that shit ppl been doing on guitars is done with
smog
>not using a with open() as f
>>105172
anon
>>105173
are you the suffering poster?
anon
no but i am suffering
anon
im the i love china poster :3
anon
did you hear about the us banning healthcare for transgender children?
Anonymous
>>105181
so thats a sneaky way of saying, theyre gping after hrt for adults too
anon
check out that thread
Anonymous
18 isnt old at all but obviously isn not a child
anon
it looks like they might be going for adults
anon
>>105183
bluesky has built-in embeds?
Anonymous
batshit insane how, straight cissoids who are 18 normally have an amazing life unless poverty or some shit, but trans people at 18 well, they wanna force dysphoria and misery on us
anon
yeah :(
Anonymous
i remember when i first turned 18 aka when i became an adult and seeing the straight cissoid 18 year olds so happy unless they were in poverty or some shit meanwhile i felt like total crap for so long
anon
there's a bit there about the federal government going after sanctuary states, too
Anonymous
serious question, why do the fash want 18-30 to be the happiest years of your life but ONLY if you are a straight white cissoid from an upper class family??
>>105194
anon
they're simply evil
anon
>>105192
>why the eugenics party care about race and wealth
hmmmmmmmmmmm
>>105195
Anonymous
>>105194
you mean if their favorite pet young adult 18-30 year old white straight cissoids had nothing but non reproductive sex and choose to all be fertile, these fashes would stop loving them and start hating them for uhhh ending their white supremacist eugenics??
>>105198
Anonymous
i mean choose to be infertile*
Anonymous
i hear theres worries of them like going after vasectomies and shit too
Anonymous
>>105198
so the people who want to impreginate 12 year old white girls are the same people who get offended at a young trans ADULT getting on hrt??? makes sense
Anonymous
i mean, seems like they wanna um... get minors pregnant if they are white, force fertility upon white minors, while forcefully limiting or stoping reproduction amongst brown adults, and meanwhile stop even young adults from transitioning, and obviously their transphobia doesnt stop at minors as we've known for quite a while now.... i mean one of those big transphobic figures was talking about "14 year olds being fertile" or some shit...

And of course you know this anti diversity stuff well, at least in politics diversity is code word for anything either lgbt or brown
Anonymous
of course, you also have the whole thing of... minors who arent white being treated like adults, and the whole issue of to be honest, I don't think ethnic minorities in the usa get to enjoy their young adulthood very much either even if they are hetero cissoids, because of the whole being stereotyped as dangerous criminals and stuff, it's just sad that like well you know... I think theoretically your early adult years are supposed to be the best years of your life, but if you aren't a white hetero cissoid whose not poor you wont get to enjoy those years if you live in the usa
i like sad things
omw home survived my first day back from neetdom the not sleeping part was dumb but I'm really excited don't give up hope ty for checking in on my personal blog
anon
hehe if you talk to deepseek about china/usa relations in english it usually censors itself or gives a very vague answer but if you talk to it in chinese its a lot more open about USA being the problem
Anonymous
honestly in short, i am most disturbed that theres no limits to how far they will go, as in, there's talks of reversing gay marriage, you know what happened to roe vs wade, and now they are being transphobic about transitioning at 18
>>105207>>105206
anon
>>105205
well yeah i think the next 4 years will be really shit but i think the good news is that a legitimate dictatorship is going to be really difficult and a lot would have to change, and electing pete hexit is shooting themselves in the foot. dude's incompetent as shit and the whole military hates him and you can't have a dictatorship without military support, and we have a bunch of built in checks on power where you are allowed to disobey superiors if they order you dto do something unlawful
>>105208>>105209
i like sad things
>>105206
its really really not that difficult, its not just memes. there's no law that says Trump can't run a 3rd term and he's literally purging the government of leftists
>>105211
Anonymous
>>105206
like you know that guy i will call watt malsh, he wants to get minors pregnant but wants it to be illegal to transition at 18, theres some crazy crazy thinking there
i like sad things
putin didn't coup anything he just sat in his position stacking the government with more and more loyalists until he could create a leader for life positiob
>>105214>>105219
anon
>>105208
okay but he needs the military. he can fuck with the civil institutions a lot yes, but it's really hard for him to roll out troops
Anonymous
i wasnt happy about trans children being forced through the wrong puberty, but i was strongly hoping they would stay good on their promises to respect adult transition, but going aftrwer 18 year olds shows they are liars who will never be happy with a limited level of transphobia
i like sad things
military is a political it just follows the president no matter what
>>105215
anon
>>105210
i was born in the soviet union. all of this reminds me of what my mother went through. her stories. same beats.
>>105221
anon
literally any point of the long chain between trump and actual guys with guns is allowed to say no and then the command stops there, and a lot of them are very willing to say no
>>105222
i like sad things
military literally just follows the president. at most they can maliciously comply to resist change but the president has the power to unilaterally remove anyone who doesn't follow his orders, he is the head of the military. potus is in the military command structure.
>>105220
Anonymous
again my libpollies, a lot of this stuff honestly goes back to, when gay marriage got legalized, and they quickly started getting radicalized in their transphobic since lgb cissoids became a less acceptable target
anon
>>105210
vatnik hands typed this post
anon
>>105217
and members of the military has the power to unilaterally refuse any orders which are unconditional
>>105227>>105226
anon
>>105214
how did the transition from the soviet union to (assuming anon is russian) current country affect birth certificates / citizenship
>>105230
anon
>>105216
there are many other countries that went down a similar path. you justify the extra term with security concerns, then you gut the government to the point where everyone just accepts that you are allowed to reign forever, like with putin.
>>105224
anon
unconsititutional*
anon
>>105222
we have stronger checks on that stuff in the military, and its full of people who have been have been watching and waiting for a strongman to try to take control and know how to resist it
>>105225>>105231
anon
>>105224
aren't many people in the military supportive of trump? i think that, unfortunately, this will not work
>>105228>>105239
i like sad things
>>105225
military is pretty even between left and right, at least the navy leans left (i served 5 years in us navy)
anon
>>105226
I dont think u understand how it works, if you refuse on those grounds the CO can't just instantly treason you and vacuum up the soldiers under you, its a long ass esoteric military law process and takes years and years for 1 person to get fired. I know it's POSSIBLE but the inbuilt protections within the military against this exact thing are WAY stronger than u are imagining
>>105232>>105235
anon
>>105221
idk tbh. i was like 3 haha.
i like sad things
>>105224
kind of true but look what happened to mattis. principled resistance is just at best a 'resignation letter'
anon
>>105229
thing is, the law isn't real. it is only as real as the people enforcing it. if the supreme court will say whatever you want, then you can do whatever you'd like.
>>105236
Anonymous
at this point, it's pretty obvious that the far right are pathological liars, and they never have a specific point where their bigotry consistently stops...
Anonymous
tbh btw i wanted to begin my transition at 18 but i wasnt able to because of transphobic parents and being disabled and now i feel really disturbed like i am realizing a whole lot of people are equally as transphobic as my parents are
i like sad things
>>105229
bro ive conducted captains mast they absolutely can
>>105241
anon
>>105232
and the people enforcing it IE the people who tell the guys who tell the guys who tell the guys ..... who tell the guys with guns to get shooting are all fucking pissed that some retard failson is their new boss. There will be foot dragging and intentional failure and outright resistance all the way down
>>105237
anon
>>105236
idk anon. i hope you're right. look at it like this. today, trump withdrew federal funding for medicare from all states. this will result in thousands of deaths. how much resistance is to be expected here, despite of that? i just feel like people are prone to doing what they're told. if the government casts something as legit and everyone seems to agree, it takes a lot to shake someone out of this sort of haze.
>>105244>>105240
i like sad things
the legal battle, which is very rare actually, happens after you go to brig or something you don't keep your job when the president fires you as a chief of staff
anon
>>105225
anon its the 2nd largest hiring body in the entire USA behind only wallmart, the demographics of the military are very close to the demographics of the nation.
>>105245
Anonymous
>>105237
does anyone know how long the freeze on federal funding is going to last for?
>>105246
i like sad things
>>105241
idk xD i am a fed though so i know some of the inner workings from personal experience
i like sad things
not a cop though I'm navy he he
anon
>>105237
i know and i do think he will do immeasurable damage in just 4 years but i think tanks rolling down mainstreet is a long way off and something very significant would have to change between then and now. and no tanks down main street means he's basically locked to civil affairs and can't uproot the entire nation very easily
>>105248>>105250
Anonymous
honestly my beloved anons with everything else we know, i honestly think the freeze on medical stuff is an attempt of like eugenics to kill the poor people who live in the usa
i like sad things
>>105244
not 4 years but maybe 12 years
anon
>>105245
dawg he is not surviving 12 years be so fucking forreal lmao
>>105280
anon
>>105244
looking at various faux democracies around the world, how often did it play out that way? i don't think erdogan or putin had like a single big moment where they used force to make it happen. it was slow and subtle.
>>105252
Anonymous
pretty clearly to me, it sounds like they are literally trying to kill off poor people through deprivation of vital resources
anon
>>105250
The systems they started out in were nowhere near as robust as ours
>>105255
anon
especially on the military side of things
>>105255
anon
>>105252
>>105253
idk about the military, i'll take your word for it. as for the rest of the system, i think it's already thoroughly compromised. the president has absolute immunity, the supreme court can just sign off whatever he wants because it's driven by ideology.. it just doesn't take much for a peaceful dictatorship to rise under these conditions. no shooting required.
>>105266
anon
and it took them decades to degrade their states to that point. he has at best 6 or 8 years as a competent leader left and the Republicans have shown time and time again they can't produce another person with the populist appeal that he has. every single one of their attempts has failed miserably. he's lightning in a bottle and he's like 80 fucking years old, his health is not holding up long enough to actually turn ius into nazi germany.
>>105258
anon
>>105256
voter suppression is what got republicans the win in the first place. with so much more power, used so much more blatantly, they could tip things enough that they will keep power for a long time. long enough to make it happen.
>>105260
Anonymous
and i mean, obviously they are trying to get rid of trans people entirely their whole idea is, make transition as hard to access in the first place, and treat known transitioners so badly that future trans people are scared of even trying
anon
Thats what stopped him from being arrested
anon
If it was mccain who did all that shit hed be in jail and not allowed to run because mccains supporters are not fanatical enough to storm the capitol byilding
anon
>>105260
thus far, but going forward, they can stack the system further in their favor, so they don't need it as much.
>>105264
anon
>>105264
i hope i'm wrong. something that really bothers me is that people seem unwilling to reckon with the possibility of genuine fascism rising in america. maybe you are right and i am wrong, but it is something that can actually happen! plenty of great countries fell to it
>>105267>>105269
anon
>>105255
well were gonna see how the supreme court really feels very soon with the birthright citizenship thing. I really thing itll be shot down. The justices are not just "red no matter what" even the red ones, they are still constitutionalists above all else
>>105270>>105291
Anonymous
>>105265
i agree anon, and a rational basis is most people who fought the german nazis died also btw anon, german nazism was also greatly inspired by like american racism and american sexism and shit
>>105273
Anonymous
and you know of course recently "someone" told germany to "get over their guilt over nazism" recently
anon
>>105265
anon. genuine fascism has been here for arguably centuries
>>105274
anon
>>105266
maybe. i feel like expecting consistency from republicans has shown itself to be problematic lol.
>>105272
anon
and certainly decades.
Anonymous
>>105270
it is anon, i mean you know the republicans who for a while agreed to allow gay marriage are trying to ban it again, and the republicans who a few years ago only wanted to ban hrt for minors are now going after young trans adults too
anon
>>105269
i think there's a big difference between bad and literally, literally, fascist
>>105275
anon
>>105274
what do u think israel is and what do you think our role in it is. is it less fascistic because it's not at home? are those people less human?
>>105277
Anonymous
its obvious their tactics, they shift the goal post, and they pretend to be genuine on a certain issue of not going past a certain point, then when the overton window moves they unmask
>>105284
anon
>>105275
i'm talking about the united states, anon. not the entire world.
>>105278
anon
>>105277
Israel may as well be a us outlying territory
anon
We give them more rights and money and defeerence than our actual, de jure outlying territories
i like sad things
>>105249
hope so, hope he gets shot tbh lol
Anonymous
like for example, before 2016 a lot of deeply racist people hid their bigotry, but then they unmasked shortly afterward for obvious reasons, and thats the thing... these people mask their true selves for years on end, then they unmask at the worst possible time
>>105283
anon
>>105281
I'm just saying it's not a doom everything is going to die 100% scenario yet, and its really unuseful to see it as one. Being hopeless about this shit is exactly what they want.
>>105286>>105287
i like sad things
>>105260
no its cause repubs control all 3 branches now cause obama and biden didn't get enough supreme court in
>>105290
anon
>>105283
i agree. it's good to try to hold on to your strength, so you can do what you can. it's not over. just actually dangerous.
>>105288
Anonymous
>>105283
yeah hopelessness and doom is bad, and we shouldnt ever give up, my only poinbt is, they really are out to gt us and we really do have to defend ourselves both legally and physically
i like sad things
>>105286
live in a blue state is literally ur best option no safety in shit like Iowa and Texas
Anonymous
the transphobes dont JUST in all honesty want a victory in womens sports or minors transitioning, and when the moment presents itself for them to unmask they will aka they have, these same people most of them will not actually stop there, most people who talk about these things, do want being trans to be fully illegal but will never say so until they have the power to get away with it
anon
>>105285
they don't have the military and they don't have the people either. They can make things get really bloody but if they do i dont think they even win
>>105298
anon
>>105291
better than being a fucking doomer
anon
U gonna just roll over and die?
>>105295
anon
sad.
anon
buy a gun and learn to shoot
i like sad things
>>105290
no but unironically could cause balkanization i.e. death of America
>>105312
anon
This is our country and it always has been
Anonymous
thats the term trojan horse
anon
>>105301
a cripple can shoot a gun just as good as a powerlifter, it's a fucking gun
>>105306
Anonymous
>>105301
honestly anon, if you are trans at 20 its like being cissoid at 40 imo
i like sad things
l
Anonymous
well obviously not really its way worse, but all the wasted time i mean
anon
>a weapon to surpass metal gear
Anonymous
I considered myself basically elderly when i turned 18 cause i was forced to grow up as the wrong gender so my entire childhood was wasted anyways
Anonymous
its not like my entire childhood as the wrong gender made my life better or gave me essential wisdom or some shit
anon
just move to cascadia or newyorkjerseychusets
anon
let the poor states who take all our tax money starve
>>105316
fujo
heisenbread
anon
It's completely incomparible
anon
>>105322
Do u think they are flying in water from red states or something like whaa
anon
If the federal tax they pay went back to the state instead of subsidizing red states they could just solve the problem on their own
anon
>>105321
theres no hope they actually have to be institutionalized or gulagd
>>105326
anon
>>105326
lmfao thabk u for reminding me of the existance of that clip
>>105330
anon
funniest fucking thing thats ever been produced
Anonymous
imo we would (cept for the ftms here) be better off born in an alternate planet where everyone is a cloned natal female, so the whole state mandated male puberty shit gets avoided entirely, and doesnt make our lives such clusterfucks, replace the gender binary with us all just being natal female clones
>>105336
anon
>>105330
LMAO i never heard that part
anon
What an absurd situation
Anonymous
tbh a lot of my interest in cloning is about that, so we could finally have a world without the polititical clusterfuck of mandatory male puberty
anon
have any of you watched Pantheon
>>105340
Anonymous
interesting image btw
Anonymous
>>105337
tell me about it, is iit about doing cloning based reproduction to have a world free of male puberty??
>>105341
anon
>>105340
no but it covers many futurism and transhumanism concepts
anon
typing on a phone on a liveboard is awkward because i'm used to misspelling a word and letting autocorrect kick in but then everyone sees it and in the moment before the correction i feel anxious and exposed
>>105345
anon
>>105338
somewhat - ideally fenoxo level TF should be freely available to all
>>105344
Anonymous
>>105343
fenoxo level tf??? tell me more this is so fascinating
>>105349
anon
Terraform
Anonymous
>>105351
#ai explain this thing

"Thing" can refer to any object, concept, or idea. Without further context, it is difficult to provide a specific explanation. Can you please clarify what thing you are referring to?
explain this thing
>>105354
anon
>>105351
i never took linear algebra i don't understand i just glue python libraries together and hope they work
>>105359
Anonymous
>>105351
#reply

TensorFlow is an open-source software library for dataflow and differentiable programming across a range of tasks. It is a popular machine learning framework used for building and training various deep learning models, such as neural networks. TensorFlow was developed by the Google Brain team and first released in 2015.

One of the key features of TensorFlow is its ability to handle large amounts of data efficiently through distributed computing, making it suitable for both research and production environments. It also offers high-level APIs for building models quickly, as well as lower-level APIs that allow more control over model customization.

In addition to traditional machine learning tasks, TensorFlow can also be used for natural language processing (NLP), computer vision, reinforcement learning, and other advanced techniques. Its flexibility makes it a popular choice among researchers and developers working on cutting-edge AI projects.

Overall, TensorFlow has become one of the most widely-used frameworks in the field of artificial intelligence due to its powerful capabilities and user-friendly interface. Whether you are just starting out with machine learning or are an experienced practitioner looking to build complex models at scale, TensorFlow can help you achieve your goals effectively.
SweetMelancholy
I MADE IT HOME AND I STOPPED BY THE PHARMACY AND GOT A NICE SMELLING NEW BODY WASH AS A TREAT AND ALSO SOME VEDGIE STIX
>>105360
SweetMelancholy
CARROT, POTATO AND CUCUMBER
>>105362
anon
SMUT IS WRONG SEX IS WRONG ABOLISH SEX
>>105386
anon
genuinely dont see how people can find that stuff appealing, it's just too far into the realm of absurdity
anon
>>105359
is there anything to hosting a website? i zoned out during it courses and am at the point where computers are magic boxes
>>105368>>105370
Anonymous
>>105364
hyperherm kitty thinks thats called on those nsfw sites
anon
>>105366
computers are magic boxes you just have to fins the programs written by severe autists instead of corporate normoids
anon
They are the real magicians
anon
uh shit its the fuzz, cheese it gang
anon
#uwu (USER WAS UWU'D FOR THIS POST)
anon## admin
theirs is as far as i know the first ever liveposting software so i kind of just had to wing it
anon
>>105370
>rust
the language syntax looks weird
anon## admin
their master branch is a failed 6-year-long rust rewrite attempt that doesn't really work
anon## admin
so we're running the original version which is pure Go
anon## admin
and TypeScript for the frontend
fujo
how did they not manage to push out a rewrite in 6 years..
anon## admin
full rewrites often go like that
anon## admin
yes
fujo
i mean, a lot of software also just turns out worse after a rewrite, gcc for example.
anon## admin
i am not sure if meguca/shamichan v7 (the rust version name) would've turned out better but it was just a doomed effort
>>105385
anon
>>105384
Somewhat related? With the public release of DeepSeek, do you have any intention of letting users choose what AI model to use with the #ai command?
- Would a submarine make a great spaceship?
- How can I get users to RTFM?

more hot questions
question feed
command?
>>105390>>105394
SweetMelancholy
oh my NEET bones ache
SweetMelancholy
from moving and walking ahh my hips hurt ughhhh tiredd
SweetMelancholy
dont sit down for 6 months it hurts to get up
i like sad things
>>105385
i can answer that question having been on a submarine
fujo
>>105381
i think the whole article boils down to "code re-use is hard"
which is an interesting statement, i don't think code re-use is hard per se, it just is applied very wrong;
the more fundamental a concept is, the easier it gets to re-use code, you can see this with like, conversion of data between 2 formats that are easy to grasp, such code is widely re-used.
>>105393
i like sad things
pro: air tight con: water cooled so you still just accumulate heat until the pressure kills you. vaccum is the best insulation possible, no environment to exchange heat with
anon## admin
>>105385
i don't like spoiling new features but: all AI commands have been replaced with deepseek as of yesterday. it'll be deployed here within a week probably. there are just uhhh reasons why i work on changes for months before deploying any of them
>>105400>>105396
i like sad things
(jk)
anon
#ai common trans girl names

1. Ashley
2. Taylor
3. Madison
4. Samantha
5. Hailey/Haley
6. Alexis
7. Chloe
8. Riley
9. Morgan
10 . Sydney/Sidney
common trans girl names
anon## admin
>>105396
it was added in dev weeks ago so it's still part of the same bundle of changes waiting to be deployed
Anonymous
god i fucking hate having an adams apple, i swear i feel constant discomfort from it being there, even physically
anon## admin
i mentioned it before but catbounce required tons of code to make it work optimally. scroll-lock made the cat bounce less effectively
>>105404
i like sad things
you want a tip?? link ko fi :)
>>105403
anon
>>105401
web dev was a mistake - if you want to talk to other people use e-mail or irc
i like sad things
>>105403
yea look up ko fi its like the most open source least evil tip jar all the indy game devs and mod creators use it
anon## admin
i've seen it but i wasn't sure if the recipient's real name might show up in a thing or something
anon## admin
i'll set one up. for now we just accept cryptocurrency
i like sad things
unfortunately I'm a cryptolet
anon## admin
>>105393
this but unironically
i like sad things
i have no wallet, I'm not on the block chain, zero shitcoins, not sigma grindset, no doge, graphics card just idling when it could be mining
>>105412
i like sad things
yea looking it up ko fi lets you do essentially a branded storefront no need to put ur name there you cab just say brainworm.dev and you can even set up patreon style recurring donations or a little web store
>>105418
anon
>>105410
bitcoin mining on consumer hardware seems like an easy way to ruin new stuff quickly
>>105414
i like sad things
well actually no, graphics cards are insanely good for mining its just like... if you have one why burn it out for mining even you own it to game lol.
i like sad things
all the biggest crypto farms use nvidia cards
>>105419
fujo
>>105413
this has been my experience trying to use ai for anything useful, like all the time.
idk if im too dumb to write good prompts, or if my questions need "real thought" that ai just doesn't do
!nIOh.loris
>>105416
no wonder the gfx cards are so expensive
anon## admin
>>105413
4o-mini isn't great. try claude 3.5 sonnet or deepseek r1
>>105422
anon## admin
or maybe they're all bad at julia
fujo
>>105420
claude's code doesn't even parse, it gives me syntax errors
>>105423
anon## admin
>>105422
damn. it's generally considered the best
anon## admin
have you tried it for more popular languages
anon## admin
for me, claude regularly writes 300+ lines of code that are correct on the first generation
fujo
yea, i tried it for generating some c++, but everytime i do that, i look at the output and im just "meh, this doesnt seem that good" and rewrite it myself anyway
>>105427
anon## admin
>>105426
on twitter i saw people saying all the models are bad at C++
anon## admin
i think they excel at python, javascript/typescript, and go
fujo
can't speak for any of that, i don't do anything with those languages
anon## admin
i guess give r1 a try just in case
fujo
oh also, do you do the inference for r1 locally, or do you pay for their api
anon## admin
it would be extremely economically bad for me to run any of them locally. even if we had a million daily active users probably
>>105446
anon## admin
libpol v2 uses deepseek v3 for all text AI and for images defaults to stable diffusion turbo. and is SD lightning. is fluz schnell, is flux dev, is rewrite v3, and then we have like 12 more for some reason
>>105435>>105438
anon## admin
i just got rid of GPT completely. i like deepseek's responses more, and it's way cheaper
>>105437
anon## admin
>>105435
libpol v2 is still in dev but will be deployed soon. it contains many other changes
!nIOh.loris
>>105434
>way cheaper
LMAO
western ai development has been btfo
anon
>>105433
absolutely based we love deepseek we love china and we FUCKING LOVE THE FREE MARKET
>>105439
anon## admin
>>105438
yeah i'm happy to use whatever is best and deepseek seems like a great company. i don't think they're like a CCP operation or whatever
>>105440>>105442
!nIOh.loris
>>105441
#this (this)
also, the fact that they made it fucking OPEN SOURCE is so fuking good. many nations of the world can develop their own ai stuff and also any person with a good gfx card can do their own stuff too
fujo
i think ai is deeply worrying
>>105447
anon## admin
>>105442
well this site is called libpol.org and the CCP is anti-liberal democracy
anon
>>105432
doesn't deepseek still require hundreds of GB of VRAM for a local copy?
>>105448
anon## admin
>>105446
yeah i just mean their API is very cheap. locally i think it's still cheaper than some things but the API makes the most sense for us
anon
>>105447
i think its bad for ur brainn
anon
i think privately funded ai is deeply concerning, i think open source ai is fucking based and epico
>>105451
anon## admin
>>105450
the main argument against it beyond like national security stuff is the existential risk argument. but either way that's not gonna apply to these lines of models
>>105469
anon## admin
like libpol is closed source mainly for security/arguably existential reasons, so i can understand that argument
>>105453>>105454
anon
>>105452
yeah no dont worry ive heard your decisions for that and i think you're completly making the right choice. It's more that like basic infrastructure type things should be open source. You should be able to own a bakery and keep it private but the road to get to the bakery should belong to the people
>>105455
fujo
>>105452
existential reasons in terms of like "people shouldn't be able to host a knock off version"?
or "security" in a "security thru obscurity" way
>>105456
anon## admin
>>105453
so similar arguments for locking down AI can, in theory, make sense
anon## admin
>>105454
the latter sort of though not exactly. well for AI it's complicated i guess
fujo
>>105447
but yea, i mostly mean something like this:
search engines get worse and worse, so people tend to gravitate towards using AI instead of search engines.
historically, there have been countless of debates that were about "search engine neutrality", so google censoring stuff would've stirred up quite a large debate.
we're not having the same debate for AI models, and if we do, it's mostly coming from a weird rightoid standpoint.
anon
>>105460
its kindof pizza dough but mostly i just eat it with salt and olive oil and olives on top
>>105466
anon
its based on adam raguseas recipe on youtube but i made alot of changes
anon
its really high hydration (even tho it doesnt look like it atm) and it sits in the fridge to ferment for like a week ish
anon
but i end up eating it before the weeks done mostly xd
anon
>>105451
I kind of have a hard time imagining the existential risk part, i think a disinterested actor created by humans has basically no motivation to tear down humanity
>>105471>>105472
anon
If it's really really smart which is the whole assumption, and it has some kind of goal that doesn't particularly align with human interests, I don't see how le enslavement of humanity would ever be productive to that end. Seems like the better option would almost always be either completely leave humans alone, or make their society really prosperous but force them to contribute some kind of creative/developmental labor as taxes
anon## admin
>>105469
i am ambivalent/agnostic on it. yudkowsky's perspective is it will have no active desire to end humanity, it'll just happen as a byproduct of other actions and won't care
anon
>>105469
i dont think this is what people mean by existential risk, but i think that it will automate away everything that makes us human and then we are just not human or whatever
>>105473
anon
>>105472
I mean if it's in charge of everything it seems weird for it to have some kind of intrinsic desire to like, create art for humans
anon
to the point of replacing all human labor in that area
anon
And the physical labor stuff is just silly, there's no job that a human can do better than a robot and the earth isnt a very good source of any raw material compared to other bodies in space
>>105481
anon
i think friction is what causes you to be a self reflecting conscious agent
>>105478
anon
So cooersive labor just seems silly to me, idk
anon
>>105476
hm i dont really understand sorry, can you explain?
anon
Like i just mean if the ai decides the goal of its existance is to get bigger and make itself more chips and get smarter, the best thing for it to do is fuck off to asteroids with extremely high grade ore. earth is not a good source of any of those things, and humans are not good at doing that labor
>>105482
anon## admin
>>105475
yeah i don't think the existential risk people are worried about mass enslavement. i think a typical scenario is like "AI decides putting some thing in the atmosphere is the best way to achieve some goal and that also causes a billion people to die"
>>105483
anon
>>105479
no i don't really think about it like that, i don't think that the ai has any intrinsic motivations, i'm not interested in that sort of existential thing. instead i think like if it gets really good at giving you whatever you want with no friction, then i think you just turn to a life of infinite escapism or whatever, and i don't think that that is exactly a conscious life because there's increasingly little impetus to reflect on things
>>105489
anon
>>105481
I guess i understand but at the same time i can't think of any end where that's particularly useful to do on EARTH instead of somewhere else
>>105485
anon## admin
>>105483
yeah that was kind of a contrived scenario by me. i don't really know the actual odds. just if some thing is insanely smart and resourceful and powerful and theoretically might not have deep empathy for human life/moral worth, bad things are possible even if it's not intending to harm humans
>>105487
anon
And like idk, humans are very unique and took a gazillion years to come into existance, if there is even some infitessimally useful thing they can provide like creativity or extreme long term robust data storage in dna or something, the best way to extract that from them is just to make their society prosperous
anon
>>105485
I guess, but i still think a disintrested agent keeps humans around and doing well on the off-chance they do become useful in future, because it's really really hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube on that one.
>>105488
anon## admin
>>105487
for a while it makes sense but if you extend to like 50k years it may not really see any benefit to humans existing. or dumber AIs existing. most humans don't care that much about chimpanzees and dolphins and their societies
>>105490
anon
>>105482
like if you think about art as this thing that makes us human, that's the trope, i don't think that in art, having more power to create exactly what you want perfectly accurately is a thing that inspires artistic depth. instead i think that art comes from the limitations of the medium. just taking photographs simply is much easier at capturing how someone looks than painting them, but i think just taking a photograph of them creates something that has a lot less depth, unless you're pushing the boundaries of the medium, compared to painting. so that's sort of how i understand friction
anon
>>105488
But in that case i only see it killing us if we're in the way of some resource it wants and there's no resources that are easier to find here than elsewhere on a mass scale
>>105492
anon
Like yeah if you want only 100 kilotons of gold to make chips with, sure, stealing all of humanity's refined goal is an efficient way to do that. but if you want 100,000,000 kilotons it just stops being a reasonable thing to do
anon## admin
>>105490
yeah it seems fairly likely that for a long time it would basically just ignore humans but there are so many possibilities in the distant future that it's hard to rule out it discovering that like some compound is super valuable and it adds it to or removes it from things or really just any large-scale engineering action we can't conceive of
>>105493>>105495
anon
>>105492
I mean fair enough but I think at that point its harvesting the offshoots of recently popped supernovae where everything "rare" is common, or exoplanets around stars that did that a few hundred million years ago so it coalesces a bit and makes your job easier
anon## admin
like how big construction projects can harm ecosystems without us realizing it or really caring
anon
>>105492
and i just think that if it has unlimited foresight which seems like a reasonable thing to asume about a quasi omniscient agent, then it would want to keep humans around, because if u realize 100 million years down the line that actually having a working human society is at all beneficial, ur out of luck, its really fucking hard to remake them
>>105496>>105498
anon## admin
>>105495
it may know it will likely or definitely harm humans but it might be missing some other part that makes it choose a different course of action
anon
the real question is will friendship is optimal come true
anon## admin
>>105495
i think it probably wouldn't be beneficial, for a sufficiently advanced entity
>>105500
anon## admin
or only as a spectacle or out of empathy, like humans rescuing endangered species
anon
>>105498
i mean idk why not? im just saying we, ourselves, are the rarest resource of all, and u dont just destroy a resource as a disintrested amoral agent
>>105502
anon
What if it wants to do like biotics research because they are way more compact than chips, easier to keep your 2.5 billion year head start around than start from scratch
anon## admin
>>105500
what about a world with 1 trillion superhuman entities and 20 billion humans. they'd consider other superintelligences a more useful resource to conserve and work with
>>105503
anon
>>105502
i know but we are pretty dumb in this relative scenario and even as dumb dumbs we collectively try really hard to NOT wipe out random sahara ant species #292947, not with even any notion that theyre useful, just because, you cant remake them if they all die. I think thats a very reasonable ethic for an amoral agent to have. dont take the toothpaste out of the tube because its not going back in
>>105504
anon## admin
>>105503
yes but i think we can't assume by default all new intelligences will share that logic. i think...
>>105508
na-bee-eh (nadie)
I'm sad to announce that Glegle has passed away last night
>>105514>>105506
anon## admin
#ohno
anon
>>105504
idk i think resource preservation would be an essential quality of intelligence
>>105511
anon
And i think humans are just a very difficult to replace resource
anon
iunnno
anon## admin
>>105508
i think after a certain point it may not consider humans that interesting to preserve. but it might
>>105513
anon## admin
also it could just keep a few around in a lab and only preserve those for research
anon
>>105511
idk i think anything which takes conditions so perfect they seem to only arise once within the observable universe and take several billion years to develop are hard to justify getting rid of, even if it's a "just in case" type thing.
>>105515
anon## admin
>>105513
99.9% of agents could believe that. it would only take one that just doesn't for some reason (though i don't know how likely it is there'll be tons of godlike beings all around)
>>105518
!nIOh.loris
i like the gnr version
>>105522
anon
>>105515
i mean sure yeah i just think it's unlikely that life could ever be seen as unuseful
anon
Some things it would 100% want to copy like dna, its reaching close to atomic limits for data storage/stability
anon
Which would be useful for any self improving agent
anon
maybe u dont need to keep the meat suits around it sure but thats part of the appeal of DNA its information u can store and come back a few thousand years later and instead of degrading you get a shit ton of new copies of it
>>105527
anon
>>105517
axl rose doesn't seem like he has the voice for this
anon
Even if something locally disastrous happens to some portion of it
anon
i don't think anything is guaranteed with any speculation of the future like this but i do think on average a superhuman intelligence who takes over humanity would probably be altruistic. i would take the odds any day, i think it's more likely to want to help humans than the average human leader certainly
anon## admin
>>105521
i don't think there'll be good technological/science reasons to preserve humans for that long. they'll surely invent a better version of DNA. i think in the beginning period they'll have good reason to keep humans around, but in terms of total utility they'll extract what they need and then the only real reason will be emotional/compassion/respect reasons
>>105528
anon
>>105527
Doubt tbh, earth is a planet sized computer thats already been crunching away at the data compactness and reproducibility problem for 2 billion years, there's no way its not useful. even if you can make better epedrine you don't stop studying the ephedra plant because the primitive baseline you started with still has insights into how to improve it
>>105529>>105530>>105533
anon## admin
>>105528
DNA and proteins are very impressive but this scenario basically assumes that some AIs have cracked the code and can recursively self-improve/engineer/research far better and more efficient than evolution and beat evolution in all categories
>>105531>>105532
anon## admin
>>105529
i don't think this scenario will happen within the next 25 years but i think it could within the next 250 years
anon
>>105529
i mean just fundementally our way to create these things *now* is basically evolution
anon
>>105528
they can retain samples of DNA, and maybe retain a few living humans in a lab. i don't think it'll be that important to them that human society persists unless they have a moral feeling about it
>>105534
anon
>>105533
But that takes effort and shit, why not just leave them alone and they preserve themselves
>>105536
anon
If you have a giant big vat of feedstock, and you have an infinitely large warehouse, and you think you ever want a drop of feedstock in the future, why do you destroy that vat and instead just keep a little vial around? why not keep the vat?
anon## admin
>>105534
they might think the costs outweigh the benefits (if indeed there really are benefits, which i'm not certain of). they might be able to build things much more effectively if they don't need to worry about externalities to humans
>>105537
anon## admin
>>105537
i dunno. they unintentionally kill a few humans, human societies rise up and shut them down/disempower them. then it'd be better to just get rid of most of them all at once (though this is shifting the scenario to one of intentional extermination)
>>105540
anon
>>105538
i think this is the one reason theyd want to attack us, if we posed some kind of threat to THEM. but even in that case i still think the better and smarter path is to give them what they want with super minimal effort and then they dont even want to fight you in the first place
>>105543
anon## admin
>>105540
you'd need to talk to/read yudkowsky (warning: i do not recommend) to get some of his ideas about why he thinks the incidental existential risk scenario is the most probable
>>105544
anon
>>105543
>read yudkowsky
i'm not reading harry potter fanfiction
anon
if le big brother 1984 robit is like "actually i love and care about you and want your lives to be happy and free of worries" why would u ever attack it :P
anon
>>105542
>american football plays while the player fails to ask out another gle
anon
Easier to prevent the fight before it happens by making everyone happy
anon
The things we need to be happy, on the scale of like grand scheme resources in the universe, or even just in our solar system, are fucking tiny and negligible like u dont even need to put any resources in u just need a tiny fraction of ur intelligence to tell us how to organize stuff and efficiently self sustain
>>105551
anon
i think hunans assume antagonism out of an incomprehensible entity precisely *because* of our biological drives which that entity wouldnt have
anon## admin
>>105548
the same is true of many animal species but many go extinct due to our action or inaction
>>105554
fujo
sleep is no replacement for caffeine
anon
>>105551
agreed but i think its the dumb humans that make shit go extinct and the smart ones who fight to prevent it so i assume that trend continues as intelligence increases
>>105556
anon## admin
>>105554
i think there is a correlation but i think it's mainly just "cares" vs. "does not care" and that doesn't always map to intelligent/unintelligent
>>105559>>105561
anon
>>105556
i think if u look at the smartest people who have ever existed, the like prodigy freaks who do a generation of work on their own, they almost universally are anti-war, pro conservation, etc
>>105562
anon
>>105556
this desu morality does not equal intelligence
anon## admin
>>105559
at the extremes i think the correlation is stronger yeah. but there are some very intelligent people who are like far-right and sociopathic sometimes, even if the vast majority of very intelligent people are the opposite
anon
its hard for me to imagine that trend doesnt continue. humans are a really rare resource and damaging any resource irreparribly even one you dont think you'll need any time soon/ever is not a smart idea i dont think

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