and then they become like self hating manmoders, boymoers, repressors etc

because they fall for shitty weak argumentss

i have gotten replies that were like 'thank you for explaining that' on /lgbt/ so i do think its kind of a shitty community service too because like

there are literally young people on /lgbt/ being radicalized by nazis against themselves and TERFS and stuff

yea DUH

so many TERFS are repressors its INSANE

>>217371
there are detrans but you cant really be a TERF and a trans person because its in the name Trans Exclusionary

if you live as a passing transwoman i think u start to realize that like... mysogny is bad... because you are suffering from it....

i mean all women, unpassing transwomen, and all cis women suffer from mysogynyy

just being in a TERF space as a trans woman would be invasive because its 'their space' and a huge part of it is just hating men as well so you will get called a scrote and just bullied

t. posted on crystal cafe a few times larping as a TERF just to see if they were as rarted as I thought (they are)

>>217383
being a woman is mostly just bad stuff, same with being a man

my theory of gender is that its pretty much universally bad and the only good that comes out of it is from peopel affirming how much you conform to it. IF YOU ARE VERY GENDER CONFORMING you will reap big benefits from society as people hold you up as a pillar of what a good person is! but man or woman if you are GNC you will be at best treated as wierd and worse outright attacked and hated

and I think that the socialtal bullying and benefits that come from gender conforming behavior such as access to your family and social acceptance are really interesteding becuse

because

uhhh

like essentially being Gay or Lesbian is hated mostly because its Gender non conforming GNC behavior

so like loving a woman isnt inherently bad, its onlky bad IF YOU ARE A WOMAN

loving men is normal, 50% of civilization love women sexually and romantically, but if you do it as a man SUDDENLY ITS BAD.

its these gender standards and their psychological/biological engraining into society that cause harm

there is NOTHING wrong with being gender conforming or assimilationist btw the problem is that when you DONT conform the massive amounts of harm and othering that are assigned ot you by default

i had a nazi gay man freak out on me once because he was too stupid too understand there is a difference between saying being homosexual gay man is GNC and saying that all gay men are women it was honestly so tedious... like the worst interpretation for no reason.

like HES SUFFERING FROM THE GENDER STANDARD

when people are SHITTY TO HIM BECAUSE HES GAY its not because he loves men, its because hes a MAN who loves MAN

hes literally transgressing a standard for his gender

>>217416
i am not going to accept im a bad person because i want to pass and be a woman in society

part of gender abolition is the freedom to conform to gender standards if you want too. its about making gender OPTIONAL. something you opt into, not are forced into because if you dont you lose access to social safety nets, family and societal acceptance

ahh yes, forcing people to behave according to a gender standard. thats SO in line with gender abolition lmao

MY MOZZ ARE HERE

MOZZ

>>217409
trans people and wearing shorts

lmao xD

trans people and being ashamed of their boddies

-_-

>>217425
I think it exists from a partly biological space like gender is a producto f culture, biological sex, and instinctual behaviors. btw nature versus nurture is probably the largest unsolved question in all of biology, and biological anthroplogy. so it will never be solved. the best way to counter the harm of gender standards is to educate people and teach kids to be kind and patient.

kindness is and acceptance is something you need to practice.

it must be taught, practiced and explained

thats why conservatives HATE the dep of education. because they think teaching kids not tbe racist or hate gays is grooming because it goes against their beliefs which is that racism and hating/bullying gay kids is a moral good

women r so cool

i like 2 pretend 2 be a woman at work and school and stuff

and on the train or bus

whever i go really im always larping as a woman hehehe

>>217455
imo lgbt spaces exist primarily to absorb trauma drops we create the community society doesnt afford us.

we need our own spaces and comnmunity and mutual support because society doesnt give it to us by default

if u need help... reach out.

that is the whole point of LGBT

we help each other to make a bnetter world nad survive this cruel dark planet.... >:3

i actually disgaree with this immensely

while men primarily perpetrate the violent side of gender standard enforcement men suffer just as much as women 100% its bad for everyone

>>217472
yea I would say this is true.

>>217473
in less modern societies they do

its only a very very VERY VEYR modern and recent thing men have started acting like victims of women

>>217477
okay but looking at it abstractly lets say the man killed himself because of pain caused by gender stndards they BOTH died because of gender standards it was just the man that perpetrated the violence that caused it

I think that holistically blaming men for the violence they are literally encultured into and taught is morally correct to be violent chimps and trained to (including by the women in their lives btw, women raise their sons to be tough and violent as mucha s men do and this is factual) ofc men are the ones who perpetrate violence

it will never solve the problem

gender abolition cannot succeed by blaming men for the evils of gender as a whole and it will automatically fail as a project if it tries to do so

>>217485
>think critically and decide some things u were taught are bad and incorrect and u shouldn't follow them
this is 100% true and real. during colonialism there where many people who wrote about how evil colonialism and slavery were!!! people KNEW THESE THINGS WERE WRONG THEN!

however, you do not change societies standards by going against the dominant power group adn telling them they are evil (especially when MOST Of them are not evil)

>>217491
gender standards are in the air right now and changing but in most of the world they are as awful as they have ever been

looking up womens suffrage in nepal and tell me "things have gotten better"

just cause white women got some rights doesnt mean women as a whole are exactly winning bigly

>>217497
calling out bad behavior is good but calling men evil is objectively wrong because the gender standards are upheld by BOTH sexes.

thats true but they have said softer things on that spectrumm

most men, especially what we consider 'good men' int odays society, do suffer in silence

like u said nadie women are disproportinately affected by gender violence. wouldnt it be rude then for men to advocate for their mistreatment by the gender binary when women are suffering so much more? even in the most progressive environments men are still socially regulated in their expression

>>217506
youve never been called a faggot? or threatened to be beaten up for not being manly enough?

>>217510
those voices and options were given to you by the feminists nadie

feminism won those options

no but if you did something about it its because you dont like in 1910s america where people will support you against people who hate you for being a GNC person

yeaa xD

well thats how it is...

like for example men have only recently even gotten to a point where when they are raped they can actually talkt o someone about it and be taken seriously. are men raped less than women . ABSOLUTELY, BUT. that doesnt make the act of rape any more horrible or painful.

>>217521
>i'm not saying rape stops being evil when the one raped is a man
60 years ago that was the case though, almost everywhere

its that gender is awful for both sides. its genuinely destructive and painful to both sexes. its an all around bad thing and minimizing mens suffering is the path to TERF rhetoric. all the based 70s feminists recognized how gender affected men negatively as well all the way up to like butlerian performativity

sorry idk. if you really cant see how gender affects men negatively I can only assume u are biased against them... which is fine but I think its wrong

if it shapes every facet of your behavior, it shapes every facet of your behavior. simple as. any "positive" you get from being gender conforming is really a bad thing. the fact that men in some traditional societies are expected to own their women is BAD FOR MEN. it is bad for everyone. do women suffer disproportionately? yes, but everyone is suffering and the fact that men are put into positions of dominance is literaly bad and toxic for men. both men and women are suffering at the hands of genderstandards. and especially in todays more equitable societies it gets worse and wrose as well.

300000

30000

THIRTY THOUSAND

>>217533
in nepal? maybe so. maybe, its debatable. in modern equiptable 'progressive' societies? that starts to be less the case

imo a gender non conforming gay men suffers WAY MORE than a gender conforming woman in almost anywhere in the world.

idk, a flamer?

take Iran, a place that is very bad for women and traditional. women arent usually executed jsut for being women, gays are executed just for being gays.

men are literally suffering more under these standards, the penalties for transgression are more. when a woman was killed by police in tehran a few years ago for letting her hijab slip the entire country protested. no one protested for the several dozen gay men killed that year or improsoned.

i think thats mad ignorant

obv ur entitled to ur opinion tho

being a woman is not outlawed under penalty of death if you think that equates to background gender violence I think ur crazyyy.

loving another man isnt not a CRIME

its not a CRIME

they CRIMINALIZED gay mens existence

if they passed a law that said everyone with a vagina must be murdered if peopel find out you have a vagina I would agree with you

>>217556
yea because gay men are larger victims than women in iran

its just THAT WAY???

no its because women who are gender conforming are accepted by society in Iran, like EVERYWHER

no??? there are female doctors and shit in Iran

its not afghanistan

women have general rights and sufferage in Iran

>having rights and access to education doesnt make there situation better
:O

Im sorry nadie hehe I dont think we are going to agree on this one. I think you are very biased, that is just my opinion. I can obviously be very wrong as well. I really fundamentally do not agree though.

its worse for gay people than gender conforming women and its wild to think otherwise

next you are going to tell me ensalved black men in 1840s america have it better than white women in the same time period

>>217570
it is a strawman 100% i will admit that, but I think thats the logical continuation of that logic

ur the one who has been arguing that women suffer more than men for half an hour when I said men and women both suffer from gender...

THATS OPPRESSION OLYMPICS

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spongebob meme

if you say so, its okay. we obviously disagree I dont think the converrsation is going to go much further. but we can listen to more folk musiccc

because the folk music is baseddd

that guitar has so many strings\

what are the strings made of

what the dog doin

who posted that

myterious floating doggg

>>217592

>>217611
:O

confess

i just ate 5 mozz

>>217618
what is dronification

are u like an ant now or smth

arent drones part of a colony tho?

that sounds not good gray u should stop

can u listen to hypnosis that is like all about hyping urself up and self actualization isntead

are u sure u just arent a bottom or smth??? jk lol thats a joke

one day I will own all the worlds bottoms

as property

damn, sounds like OCD kinda

do u have an OCD tendancies?

maybe u should stop doing hypnosis then if its bad for you.

kind of like drugs where they feel nice but you can recognize they are bad for u

i like this singing

maybe try do it over time to do more conditioning and stuff to fix it and then lay off it for good

is this like dronification thing like you are on the bus and then randomly get a really strong feeling of obeying orders or smth and like someone on the bus could tell you to give them a million dollars and u would do it?

>>217649
do it anyway please give me a million dollar

xD

I think that maybe you should avoid trying to hypnotize urself into a drone though...

maybe just like fantasize about it instead of literally hypnotizing urself...

>>217661
idk just do hypnosis that is like " I AM SO GOOD AT EVERYTHING" xD

SAMURAI ALPHA MALE GUIDE MEDITATION

gray have u tried doing guided samurai alpha male hypnosis

that sounds kinda based

nadie typed alpha male hyno into the youtube and got that as the first result lmao

its really good nadia i like it

I think being an alpha male samurai sounds really cool you shoudl do that instead and have a fetish for being a bushidio samurai

and its not gay to jerk off ur bro

-the samurais

>>217686
seppeku is kind of cool, just dont be dishonorable

ive never seen it but reminds of of toshio mifune

toshiro*

toshiro mifune is the perfect man

the sex appeal of a stinky ronin

>>217707
flip this and then its true

>>217714
this is an epic post

i hope u figure out ur hypnosis thingg gray

>>217786
i love deep fried crying kittys

whimper

>>217772
stolen valor....

nadie u dumb little dummy u

u are cute smh brainwormedd

you need brainworm.surgery

#welcome

>>217773
i look old

instead of panic

chill

:3

imagine u are a cool penguin who is chillin in the arctic and its coldb ut the other penguins make u feel warm

and everyone is taking car of eggs

.play penguins in the arctic penguin colony footage of penguins

.skip (video skipped)

.search penguin colony footage

1. 1.
   
   Emperor penguin chicks jump off a 50-foot cliff in Antarctica NEVER-BEFORE-FILMED FOR TV | Nat Geo

   National Geographic

   4:32
2. 2.
   
   Go Inside an Antarctic 'City' of 400,000 King Penguins — Ep. 4 | Wildlife: Resurrection Island

   National Geographic

   9:25
3. 3.
   
   Best Penguin Moments | BBC Earth

   BBC Earth

   24:11
4. 4.
   
   Protecting a Penguin Colony | My Place on Earth | BBC Earth

   BBC Earth

   9:27
5. 5.
   
   Emperor Penguins Huddle for Warmth | Nature on PBS

   Nature on PBS

   2:54

3

:D

pegnuins have it hard huh -_-

they added the CHINESE too age of empires cool

:3

>>217965
i dont think u can "work" through GD but im not ur daddy

gn

#ksay nadie

im going to ai generate some trololo creatures

wtf this guy is so rad

.skip (voted to skip this video)

.play i get knocked down but i get up again

.play [YouTube]

>>217983
shes hurt but she still wants to help others isnt that amazing...

bunn druidd