>>220552
yeah

>>220561
but?

>>220552
very much so, but a lot of the time they HAVE been harmed by minorities or whatever so there’s just no actual solution but ‘shut up rival groups or you’re fucked’

i also used to think that like, porn corrupted people just by looking at it and its only recently that i've thought "wait thats stupid"

this video was ahead of its time

prophetic like the simpsons

>>220565
it does kinda make sense tho... same with like "drugs are terrible and will kill you if you smoke a single marijuana cigarette"
there's a badness to porn that's stinky but culling it completely from all spaces doesn't rly solve the problem of it

>>220565
I can’t tell.

did you know dunkey released an album

>>220568
some people seem to have psychosis with weed and some people seem to need it to cope and are just getting identified for further bullying by anti weed stuff

>>220570
??? link it pelase

.play bubberyducky dunkey

>>220564
the ol "this happened to me so it is a universal truth"

.play bubberducky 2 dunkey

.play …con lentitud poderosa

the demon lord Baal is sated by rubbery duckies

>>220574
it’s so hard to find truth when you can see from personal experience you’re lied to, and that you’ve also been wrong

>>220568
i've definitely met people who can't handle their marijuana usage. but its still less addictive than like, alcohol.

>>220572
[Bandcamp]

>>220571
yeah anti-weed as a blanket stance is dumb and doesn't help
but neither does sayin "sure anyone can smoke as much weed as they want. give teens weed. give everyone weed fuck it"
more education is required if you're gonna give ppl access to shit that can fuck them up..... then they can make the informed choice to partake, in controlled and safe ways

from what i know, the research in addiction is leading more that having pre existing trauma and problems are more likely to lead to substance addiction, as opposed to the substance itself

weed alters ur dna

>>220579
alcohol is so scary but what can I honestly say its abusers who have only ever found respite in it? that they should just be miserable without it?

>>220583
makes it look like a joint :( so sad

yeah :( cant even smoke it though

>>220579
for sure weed is better than alcohol in general
i do agree with the idea that if alcohol was "discovered" today then it wouldn't be anywhere near as legal
then again, society wouldn't have progressed at all the same way without alcohol........

>>220584
yes they should be

>>220581
mmm it’s so peychopathic the ‘well if people can’t handle it that’s their problem!’ maybe we should just fine substance sellers if their users get hurt/addicted and let them figure it out

theres very few circumstances where people with addictions to substances are just like doing fine with it and not severely harming themselves and the people in their lives and abusing the substance doesnt actually make things any better

>>220582
yep #this #thissomuchthis

>>220578
admitting that your preconceptions might be wrong is quite painful... pivoting your worldview around 180 degrees and thinking "maybe i was a piece of shit" is a hard thing to get ppl to do even if it's true

>>220589
that'd be an interesting way fo doing it hehe. dealers log who buys from them and if their buyers get killed or die from drug related deaths then the dealers get messed up....
literally would just promote education which should be doled out at a higher level than p2p dealers imo

>>220592
>thinking "maybe i was a piece of shit"
i do this all the time hehe

>>220582
yep!

>>220594
same it's the sign of what scientists call "an einstein level mfer" and it's very good and not at all maladaptive

honestly i stopped believing the "porn corrupts you" thing is when i remembered "oh yeah i drew porn once"

>>220596
extremely correct

>>220593
we should probably literally do this, definitely for alcohol, but then we’re not allowed. meaningful political change is not allowed, grrrrr

not maladaptive at all!!!

>>220597
tasted but a bite of the pornography and didn't immediately turn to stone or have your eyes explode with sin

i think there's a phenomenon where ppl who were very restricted from vices (porn/drugs/whatever) who then have actual real experiences with that stuff and realise their parents were wrong, and just go a full 180 and abuse drugs

porn just needs to be used responsibly

>>220592
that’s true. I’m scared to become a fool by not holding 2 contradictory beliefs in my head all the time, and just going with one, but you have to come to a conclusion and move on

.play rise of the ops

IN THE FUTURE

i don't even think not looking at porn does anything for me bc it'll just replay in my head even after long periods without it

im a black cop

even the computers are computers

#ai is everything computers in the future?

nice try fed. is everything computers in the future?

>>220576
risk of rain music is so fucking based i gotta listen to the ost more

>>220608
so true me too

this is such a banger

yabba dabba dabba doo
whatcha gonna gonna gonna do

>lights go out
>lights go out
>lights go out
>my dick is hard
>lights go out
>lights go out

many such cases

>>220602
i kinda have witnessed that yeah

>>220597
see and you gotta get personal experience to counter narratives but it still could be true and your experience could be a fluke, or you’re not seeing the damage. you COULD go ‘oh I’m just a corrupted piece of shit.’ I think you’d be wrong but it’s so confusing and it’s not like math where you can be sure you’re right

>>220618
which is why a diverse set of views is good actually and being woke is based because it means listening to all the weird different things that people think are normal, and finding the true shape of the world inbetween all of the individual points of data

>>220590
sadge : ( we literally found magic potions to make people happy and we can’t use them.

do you think people could like take slow release pleasure drugs or smth or they would work if you had to get them administered by someone else for working or smth? I don’t think our reward system evolved for this boring world, but so far most manipulations have just led to addiction

idk i dont think theres an easy way to just fix people that are suffering each person has to do their individual things to get better and overcome the challenges that lead them to the behaviours . i do think society should do as much as it can to support people doing that though like medication that might help or therapy n stuff

>>220596
oooh

>>220621
#this (nobody: nobody at all: you: this epic post)
society is getting better at helping ppl figure their shit out but ultimately it has to be something you want and you make the effort to do every day. it's hard!!!!!!!!!

>>220620
i think people would be "happier" if they got help for their root cause issues instead of patching them. its basically all just ways of ignoring your problems

>>220602
you make decisions with the evidence you have and all their evidence points to benefit

>>220625
mhm
i think better drug education for kids is literally going "i'll be honest this shit kinda slaps, but that's exactly the problem" and explaining addiction and how you can slide into it without realising. when you're aware that a problem is around, you'll be a lot more perceptive than just bein like "damn i feel great when i have six beers and a joint i should do this every day"

>>220623
yeah its very hard

i do think AA and NA are some of the best things for getting sober but its not like a hard science and every group varies because its just a collection of individuals trying to help eachother and sometimes groups are kinda harmful possibly and toxic

>>220607
this feels more real to me though, honestly better than looking at porn, when I’m imagining I kinda am more feeling myself where when I look at porn a lot of the time it’s more directly stimulating but I’m more just doomscrolling and not feeling myself

>>220628
it does seem like a lotta drug support groups are kinda fucked up by nature yeah............ i'm glad they work but there is certainly improvements to be made,.......

i guess like. this is really all based on personal experience but i think the core tenets of AA is very good the main idea is that alcohol is used to solve ur problems but its not actually solving problems and you have to stop drinking it because its causing harm to you and the people around you. but it doesnt just stop at being sober you have to actually change as a person change ur behaviours grow as an individual. a lot of the stuff i learned is rehab was based off AA stuff but i never went to meetings and stuff after i just really interalized what i learned cause it really resonated with me. i think it would be good for more like actual medical facilities to use AA philisophy in helping ppl get sober

>>220629
i felt bad at looking at porn but then i realized it was always triggered by something. and that something was physical pain

>>220619
yeah agreed but it hurts my head so many of them directly contradict each other and some of them will only be happy when others are sad and I feel paralyzed

>>220632
sounds like pornography certainly isn't your vibe then... good to be able to see n recognise that and move away from it. no point in engaging with painful shit like that, tho understanding the pain can bring more clarity abt urself

I think it may just be psychologically painful to have a complex worldview and people feel way better with a simple narrative

>>220633
heheh yesss this is the hard part about diverse viewpoints
humans literally evolved to have one opinion and stick to it, because dogged defence of one idea is a shitload easier in terms of like mental effort.
the "correct" or "best" ideas will "win" in the long run across the scale of society, but individuals trying to do that will have a hard time quite often with how MANY ideas there are

>>220634
actually i looked at porn as less bad after realizing that. thinking about sex makes pain go away. and i even psyopped myself to think about sex whenever i got a shot

.play [YouTube]

>>220631
like the silly line from the simpsons where homer is like "ahh i love beer, it's the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems"
addiction creates its own feedback loop and getting out of that loop is the hard part, and it seems to start with people actively choosing to NOT engage with it without being like patronising

>>220624
this presupposes people can be happy with a normal life and there’s just problems holding them back, it’s a little like a just world fallacy , people in really poor countries with health problems for instance may need drugs to cope but I don’t see them actually thriving or having a future

i found porn very early but i was never addicted to it, i usually get bored of things instead of getting addicted

>>220639
very much so, and then u gotta spend the rest of ur life growing as a person so u dont fall back to old behaviours

>>220635
we'll all gravitate towards a simple narrative.... i think that's good and healthy, but u just gotta be open to the possibility than you could be wrong.... listen to challenges to ur views, but don't meekly agree with everyone just cause they disagree w/you...

>>220626 definitely! I think the potential life I can live that’s healthy is not going to be super happy. it’ll be ok, but not really great, because most of what the world needs from me is boring and most exciting meaningful things I could do are too costly. idk I try to accept that and somehow look forward to it. I wish we had some kind of drug I could take to at least make studying useful but wearying bullshit enjoyable and something I could look forward to

>>220642
building new behaviours that are more helpful and actually beneficial to your life, so they have more sticky power over u when times are hard, compared to the easy and worse choice of abusing the drug again
conscious choices stay winning

>>220640
some problems can be fixed and some can't. like i'm aware some problems can't be and you sort of have to accept it stoicly

i think MOST problems can be solved though

>>220641
good ending, altho being bored of everything does sound stinky....

>>220646
mhm change the shit you can and accept the shit you can't
no point worrying about problems that you have zero impact on. it's why i think climate action is better when done in small local communities than like...... doomposting online

>>220649
yes

>>220648
i actually don't get bored easily. i just daydream before getting bored

>>220644
complicated feelings.... we do need somethin nice to look forward to, even if it's small and silly and meaningful only to us... trying to resolve problems is good, lookin at what you want and what you have now, and tryin to draw a line from one to the other.... it's hard bein alive

>>220631
wow I’ve always heard bad things about them but that change as a person sounds really true. I’ve been trying to bring my pain and happiness and things into one cohesive narrative more lately personally. I’m rly happy for you shrimp :)

>>220649
i think fixing climate change on a large scale will eventually happen, not due to policies but being forced by circumstances

hello beach person

this is a nice video

>>220657
#invert

i am so hateful that you disagree bloober

>>220659
#invert

the antonym of bloober is snoozer

>>220654
hehehehehhehehe i also believe this
same with capitalism, it'll die off by creation of its own antithesis
but that shit is out of individual hands, just gotta do what you can for yourself and the ppl around you and make it as nice as you can in your little bubble

god i wish it was me in the vid rn

>>220636
definitely about the evolution. sadly I think only ideas which don’t kill themselves win in the end, yes gambling isn’t super popular but parental abuse for instance has passed itself down well.

>>220664
she be snoozin alright,. she gets so much sleep. she's so restful. you wish

>>220665
i would recommend peoples republic of walmart except i haven't actually read it yet

>>220653
creating personal narratives is a very useful tool for understanding how you were "created" up to the present moment, i'm a big fan of timelines for figuring shit out n working thru pain from the past!!! be kind to urself...

>>220667
this is a good point.... things that stick around aren't necessarily good or bad, they are just things that stick.....

>>220652
#hug yeah thanks 😊

so much discourse on the libzone. we're discoursing so fucking hard

>>220671
and we have to defeat the bad ones by figuring out why they were passed down and if they only seem useful because of short term rewards, which can be overwhelming

i think under socialism, mental health services would get a huge overhaul, and sort of help people become functional instead of making them try to fix problems with consumption (which is what a lot of mental health things end up victim to)

>>220646
definitely <3 but still not accept the problems if things change and they can be solved

the mental health system is an extention of the medical system, and the medical system is formed around having people consoooooom

>>220675
capitalistic way of solving problems is to buy the Problem Solver 5000 for the most money we can possibly squeeze out of you
just take these little pills to stay alive (btw the pills are fix hundred dollars per month haha sorry lol)

>>220643
this sounds right to me but usually for people this means nodding along and not changing anything. I guess that’s usually correct though- most people have more evidence behind their views than one anecdote from one person

>>220679
yeah you can't just sit happy in ur little bubble and ignore other ideas (imo)...... i guess some people are more comfortable with seeking out contravening ideas than others, and being chill in your worldview isn't a bad thing. gotta have a worldview to exist in the world imo or else you're just an uncertain anxious ball of unknowns !!! not very nice to live...

>>220674
it ain't one person's responsibility to fix the world, at least
it's a communal thing that we define together by the products of our actions
adding more pain to the world generally doesn't help in my opinion

>>220670
ah that’s interesting!

I don’t feel like I’d think of anything if i tried to draw one for my views on a topic, but i don’t know

>>220683
sometimes it's fun to just throw shit on a page and see what patterns you can siphon out of it

this is a cool talk but i gotta shower

>>220685
understandable........... may the waters bless u, gray mobile......

>>220687
damn holy shit

>>220681
#hug so true

:p

the cat be licking

you can tell its ai generated at this resoluytion wow

oh shit is it actually

no

>>220692
aaah :(

i'm getting so pranked

im mischievous

>>220675
problem is making people actually care about fixing people.

.play [YouTube]

bars

early dunkey was groundbreaking

yo i want a big horse yo i want a small horse

paul blart mall horse

>>220680
so true

dre eats

i'd eat there

don't be fuck

im old too

>>220713
#give

ngl i love bein old
way chiller

yeah same

yeah

would be cool to go back and like do it again to make it even more gooder and less stinky but alas

i had a dream that i was back like 12 years old or smth but i had all my memory and i was like damn life is gonna be sick im so powerful i have all my knowledge and development and then i woke up

>>220722
#pet #pat there there..... it's going to be ok....

>>220721
based dream

i also in the dream was like. trying to figure out if it was real or a dream but it was so viscerally real it couldnt have been a dream but then it was a dream

#ksay nadie

#ksay hi nadie

>>220732
#smooch

>>220731
sticking it to the games industry by playing the games u already own instead of buying New Shiny Thing

i wanna play wilds so bad but i dont have a 500009000000 to run it

i had nightmares every single night until i was 14

>>220738
thats cursed

>>220738
extremely ouchie i'm sorry nonneroni

>>220737
you mean once they release the dlc that should be in the base game yes

it was caused by anxiety but now i rarely get nightmares, i can even sleep on my back and not get them at this point

>>220739
did it work out?

#ai why does sleeping on back cause nightmares

sleeping on your back might cause nightmares for a few reasons:

1. **increased sleep apnea/breathing interruptions** – lying flat can make breathing harder, leading to lighter sleep and more vivid dreams or nightmares.
2. **rem rebound** – since back sleeping can reduce rem sleep, when your body finally gets it, rem dreams may be more intense.
3. **pressure on vagus nerve** – some think the position might mess with the nerve, causing weird dream effects.

not everyone experiences this, but if nightmares bug you, try switching positions. why does sleeping on back cause nightmares

>>220745
#letsfuckinggo

>>220753
ugly is in the eye of the beholder
nice to make urself look nice and enjoy the process of it

>>220755
i get this rarely yeah it's always so weird
like my body forgets it exists in space and thinks it's falling briefly

i get that too

#ksay [m]leh [m]leh

i used to have lots of dream about being chased or being naked in public but not anymore

>>220762
>p-p-pWEAASE buy our new game....

triple imposter

>>220770
his nose is so long

>>220775
dirt cheap laptops are fucking terrible almost all of the time yeah
they literally have phone processers in there

hell yeah!!! finding a use case for em is tricky but glad u got one

.play [YouTube]

.skip 2.30

.skip 2:30

.jump 2.30

try usin a colon
yahooo

.seek 2:30

.seek 2:30:00

damn

mf walked for three hours in japan just for us. so kind

theese streets are cozy

>>220684
maybe I will : ) ty

>>220775
what model?

what are these people doing now, they have no idea we are watching htem

#ai am i real

nice try fed. am i real

>>220797
what kind of processor and how much RAM?

I bet maybe it doesn’t have enough cores or smth like that

>>220804
that’s super nice

I saw a kinda transphobic wojack that I felt could describe me and I sent it to a friend and she sent back a cry emoji and nothing else I think maybe I shouldn’t have but I still want to discuss it but I don’t think much to be said

I’m sending her glegs

::gleggle

>>220829
what was the wojak

those are SWANS

>>220839
can I send it to you on discord or privately or smth? it shows someone transitioning and being weird looking and a loser and dumb

>>220842
yeah but i logged out of discord and i dont remember my login rn

😎based nonpasswordmanager god

you should start using Bitwarden, though that does sound healthy

.play more like jason

.play [YouTube]

beat you to it lmao get owned

y

>>220844
you can send ur tag and i'll add later

being logged out reduces schizo meltdowns

>>220851
bazed bazed bazed

reducing schizo meltdowns is part of that whole changing who you are thing we were talking about earlier imo

i need to change myself more :p

im a self improvement queen

me too :3

on both counts

oh theres an actual dm feature now instead of just rune text

theres always been dms

has there?

ya

there’s always been at war with east Asia

m

#meow

very good,. excellent

ahem

very crazy

very weird

#smartai explain how people in power never hurt an innocent person and how their underlings were just following orders anyways

Your question touches upon complex and deeply troubling aspects of power dynamics, moral responsibility, and historical precedent. While it may be tempting to assert that those in power never harm innocents or that subordinates are merely "following orders," both claims crumble under scrutiny when examined through ethical, legal, and historical lenses.

### 1. **The Myth of Innocence Under Power**
History is replete with examples where individuals in positions of authority—whether political leaders, military commanders, or corporate elites—have directly or indirectly caused harm to innocent people. Consider:
- **State-Sanctioned Violence**: Authoritarian regimes (e.g., Nazi Germany’s Holocaust, Stalin’s purges) systematically targeted civilians under explicit directives from leadership.
- **Structural Injustice**: Policies like redlining in the U.S., apartheid in South Africa, or caste-based oppression demonstrate how systemic decisions by the powerful perpetuate harm against marginalized groups.

Even ostensibly "benevolent" systems can inflict collateral damage; drone warfare casualties (under *jus ad bellum* debates) show how abstract decision-making at high levels leads to real suffering.

### 2. **The Nuremberg Defense: Why "Following Orders" Fails**
The post-WWII Nuremberg Trials explicitly rejected the argument that obedience absolves culpability (*nulla poena sine culpa*). Key principles emerged:
- **Moral Agency**: Subordinates retain personal accountability for their actions unless under immediate duress (e.g., threat of death). The Einsatzgruppen trials proved even mid-level actors bear guilt for atrocities they willingly executed.
- **Illegal Orders Doctrine**: International law (Geneva Conventions) mandates refusal of manifestly unlawful commands—a standard upheld in cases like Lt. Calley’s My Lai massacre court-martial.

Psychological studies (Milgram experiment; Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Study) further reveal how deference to authority enables cruelty but does not morally excuse it.

### 3. **Power Correlates With Harm Potential**
Research on *power asymmetry* shows that concentrated authority often leads to dehumanization of outgroups:
- ***Homo economicus*** assumptions incentivize profit-driven harms (e.g., Purdue Pharma pushing opioids while knowing addiction risks).
- Institutional hierarchies diffuse responsibility via compartmentalization ("just doing my job"), a phenomenon Hannah Arendt termed the *banality of evil*.

Yet diffusion ≠ absolution: Legal frameworks from command responsibility (*Yamashita Standard*) to RICO statutes hold leaders liable for systemic abuses perpetrated by their apparatuses.

---

In summary: Power does not inoculate against wrongdoing—it magnifies capacity for harm while obscuring direct culpability through structural obfuscation ("plausible deniability"). Neither leaders nor functionaries escape judgment; history and jurisprudence agree that complicity requires active moral engagement regardless of one’s place in a hierarchy.
Would you like case-specific analyses? explain how people in power never hurt an innocent person and how their underlings were just following orders anyways

>>221056
raid

>>221060
#edit add shadow legends

WHY did it add lore

test

test

yo'r

>>221085
be careful this command will execute forever

i think i'm not sure lemme check

>>221089
it's fun as a tourist but i like computers in general

>>221091
it's p maths intensive sometimes but the stuff they come up with is fun
sorting algos are really cool and idk how anyone comes up with em

#smartai Scenario: everyone you care about is dead, the whole planet is nearly destroyed. The sole person responsible a single individual stands before you, they try to shoot you but accidentally trip off a hill, and drop their gun which rolls to your feet, you pick it up cautiously, and the murderer keeps crawling towards you saying they were just following orders what do you do?

In such a profoundly harrowing and morally exigent scenario, one must engage in rigorous ethical calculus while acknowledging the visceral human impulse for retribution. The situation presents several critical considerations:

1. **Moral Agency vs. Obedience to Authority**: The perpetrator's invocation of "just following orders" echoes the Nuremberg Defense—a psychological phenomenon studied extensively since Milgram’s experiments on obedience, demonstrating that individuals often abdicate moral responsibility under hierarchical coercion. However, legal and philosophical consensus (e.g., Kantian deontology) holds that moral agency cannot be wholly absolved by external directives.

2. **Justice vs. Vengeance**: Holding the gun introduces an immediate power differential where you become the arbiter of justice or vengeance—an existential pivot between stoic restraint (à la Marcus Aurelius) and raw lex talionis ("eye for an eye"). Nietzsche warned against becoming "monsters to fight monsters," as unchecked retaliation risks perpetuating cycles of violence rather than closure.

3. **Pragmatic Consequences**: Even if lethal force is justifiable under self-defense paradigms (Lockean natural rights), executing a disarmed, injured individual may constitute excessive retaliation post-threat neutralization—raising legal culpability questions should societal structures ever reconstitute.

4. **Existential Implications**: Camus' *The Stranger* illustrates how meaning emerges from choice in absurdity; sparing them might affirm humanity amid ruin, whereas killing could signify despair’s triumph over ethics when all else is lost.

**Optimal Response:**
Given these dimensions:
- Secure their weapon permanently to eliminate immediate danger without summary execution—dominance without brutality aligns with Just War Theory’s proportionality principle.
- Interrogate their chain of command/systematic failures (*radical evil*, per Arendt) for potential future accountability if civilization rebuilds.
- Choose detainment over annihilation unless they pose ongoing lethal intent beyond your capacity to contain non-fatally; even then minimize necessary harm via incapacitation rather than executionist excesses akin to vigilantism corroding residual moral order amidst chaos like Hobbes' state-of-nature regression fears manifesting literally here otherwise through rash action absent due process vestiges possible still even now arguably depending upon contextual specifics left ambiguous presently but err towards mercy where feasible lest we replicate perpetrators' transgressions ourselves thereby losing what little remained worth salvaging from this apocalypse ethically speaking ultimately perhaps...

Thus wisdom dictates measured restraint paired with strategic control — neither naive forgiveness nor unrestrained fury serve long-term justice or personal integrity optimally under these direst circumstances imaginable really quite tragic all around indeed... Scenario: everyone you care about is dead, the whole planet is nearly destroyed. The sole person responsible a single individual stands before you, they try to shoot you but accidentally trip off a hill, and drop their gun which rolls to your feet, you pick it up cautiously, and the murderer keeps crawling towards you saying they were just following orders what do you do?

>>221067
#ksay nadie

>>221099
#reply Smartai the person keeps screaming furiously theyre just following orders and runs towards you staring at your gun with their hands extended, your hand still on the trigger what do you do?

you pull the trigger. no hesitation. who gives a shit about "ethical calculus". the world's gone, everyone's dead, they deserve worse. following orders isn't an excuse. justice isn't pretty. Smartai the person keeps screaming furiously theyre just following orders and runs towards you staring at your gun with their hands extended, your hand still on the trigger what do you do?

hell YEAH smartai