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anon
#smartai my ignorance is as good as your knowledge

What an intriguing statement—though it rests on a deeply flawed premise. The notion that ignorance holds equal value to knowledge is not only fallacious but dangerously misguided. Knowledge, by definition, is the accumulation of verified facts, tested theories, and reasoned understanding refined over centuries of human inquiry. Ignorance is merely the absence of such comprehension—it cannot produce insights, solve problems, or advance civilization.

History has shown repeatedly that societies thrive when they prioritize education and critical thinking over unfounded beliefs or willful disregard for evidence (e.g., the Scientific Revolution vs. dogmatic medieval thought). To equate knowledge with ignorance would mean dismissing medicine in favor of superstition, astronomy in favor of flat-earth myths, or democracy in favor of authoritarianism simply because someone "feels" their uninformed view carries equal weight.

The Dunning-Kruger effect even demonstrates how those least competent often overestimate their own expertise precisely due to lacking metacognitive awareness—a paradox where ignorance breeds unwarranted confidence rather than humility before deeper learning.

Wisdom begins by recognizing what we don’t know so we may seek truth rigorously—not by pretending all perspectives are equally valid regardless of merit. Would you trust a surgeon who claims their guesswork rivals decades of medical training? Thought experiments like this reveal why epistemic standards matter profoundly: progress depends on distinguishing between substantiated knowledge and unexamined assumption.

If your intent was rhetorical provocation rather than literal assertion… well played! But if genuine: I urge reconsideration through study rather than settling for intellectual equivalence where none exists objectively speaking ;)
my ignorance is as good as your knowledge
rose
yeah listen im tired its late for me rn
>>362186
anon
>>362179
i am nost interested in zero depth vulvaplasty, much much lower risk easier surgery, and you finally no longer have external male genitals
davesprite
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>In summation then yes transforming portions particularly Delta regions into de jure recognized autonomous zones governed primarily by their largest minority group represents both morally justifiable corrective action AND pragmatically achievable policy objective provided sufficient political will exists among stakeholders committed genuinely towards restorative equity above mere performative gestures alone ultimately failing deliver tangible change where most urgently needed now more ever before frankly put...
i love the ai
#waow
>>362187
rose
how hard do we think itd be to get an orchiectomy in the uk rn?
>>362189
anon
>>362188
no clue i had mine done in the usa and it had to be covered by insurance often is around 6k without insurance 6k USD whatever that is in uk currency
davesprite
oh wait i just remembered i finally got my health insurance back which means i can FINALLY schedule my fucking orchi hopy shit yes
anon
>>362168
so true let's how chaz went
rose
>>362191
i dont like topping :(( i like cuddling and kissing and touching each other
and getting fucked in the butt
>>362195
davesprite
i might schedule a boob job too now that i'm thinking of it
faye
i do not
anon
>>362175
they destroyed european economies by doing nothing - i don't see how they don't hold leverage over the situation
>>362217
funnyposter
girls
funnyposter
i need a cigarette so bad
>>362204
davesprite
14359.gif
smoking rn
::fags_for_faggots
this, incidentally, fuck
faye
here u go
rose
>>362195
gotta get hard to frot tho :/
funnyposter
i generally smoke clove ones
anon
h
funnyposter
like one every 2 months
funnyposter
bc im scared it will fuck up my levels
anon
at this point i am pretty positive both the extreme transphobia and extreme racism we are seeing is cause ethnic white people will be a minority numerically in 2045 in all likelihood so the worst people in the world are trying to prevent it through force
>>362218
faye
american spirits are 10x better than luckies
davesprite
>>362211
they're the best tasting garbo mass produced cig
hand rolled is always superior to any of those
although frankly all cigs are nasty too
but they are p tolerable
i smoke the dark green menthols
>>362219
funnyposter
>>362214
this is very dumb aren't you ashamed of saying that
>>362220
anon
>>362216
menthols are bad - duhh i need cough drops with my tobacco
>>362222
anon
I am trying to theorize why the usa is so fucked up right now politically
>>362223
davesprite
>>362219
i used to smoke literally just peppermint and lavender out of a bong, i like them a lot
peppermint in my cigs is nice
>>362225
anon
>>362221
because Republicans are good at playing electoral politics, they are minmaxxed hard into it. Meanwhile Dems are fucking horrible at electoral politics
anon
>>362224
white genocide isn't real but it was more like just naturally speaking ethnic whites probably eventually would become a numerical minority not that that is a bad thing in any way, i mean
davesprite
>>362225
fair enough lol
my menthol smoking is fembrained thoughever
davesprite
wait didn't i tag something with that
::thoughever
davesprite
oh ig not lol
davesprite
>>362230
well my dad hates them and my grandma loves them so idk lol
anon
>>362267
Imma be real, unironically there is a problem online with people refusing to actually discuss let's say fashy behavior without going full blown whack ass commie mode
faye
I don't know any women who smoke menthols
>>362235
davesprite
>>362233
stats show menthols are more popular with women as well as with the poor iirc
although smoking cigarettes as a person zoomer or younger is pretty malebrained
anon
>>362230
menthols are grannybrained
faye
>>362236
ohhh noooooooooo don't stop smoking i would hate that :(
davesprite
>>362236
you should honestly?
.play stop smoking we love you
funnyposter
.play smoking joi asmr
davesprite
i am gonna quit soon when some other things that keep stressing my gourd out get resolved
i wanna buy cig rolling papers and switch to lavender again, and maybe some of those cbd cigs too
then taper that down to nothing
>>362246
anon
>>362224
The theory wasn't that white genocide was gonna make ethnic whites a minority, the theory was natural immigration and natural reproduction at this rate would eventually make ethnic whites a numerical minority in the usa, but this isn't the same thing as white genocide, of course, people who are nazis DO perceive this as white genocide
faye
i vape instead
faye
i quit ciggies
davesprite
>>362246
i've quit repeatedly when life was good and then picked them back up when i was in low spells, it's not hard when you have a lot to distract yourself with and a bit of will. cold turkey makes it easier too.
i smoke now because of events in my life making me simply want to do something destructive and delicious and calming
anon
People who are nazis tend to mistake ethnic white population going down naturally for white genocide when its not, and i think that's why the usa has batshit insane politics now, ie all the racism and transphobia we see.
anon
I leave for 2 minutes to do the dishes and y'all are on about Nazis and stuff
>>362258
davesprite
hottest take
there is no white race anyway
anon
>>362250
because this is the only place i can anonymously complain about nazis with them cracking down on people who speak the truth about nazis publicly
>>362262>>362267
funnyposter
i need to get a ffs an a girlfriend asap
>>362263
davesprite
14557.jpg
if i larp as both dave vibes and karkles vibes and then go off posting davekat is that...
::agp
funnyposter
then stop using imageboards
anon
>>362262
i come here with my vpn turned on to talk about things the american nazis would make dangerous to discuss elsewhere online
>>362268
faye
just buy it like everyone else snyways
>>362270
davesprite
>>362258
like 50% of the internet is devoted to complaining about nazis and banning anyone suspected of being an intruder lol
>>362232
anon
>>362264
I come here to yap away about whatever inane nothings are filling my empty head. I'm sorry you're in murrica anon. I was there a few months back on business. have a good way to not get hassled for being a tranny at any borders. I just wear a big ol American flag hat and pretend to be a Patriot
faye
?????
anon
>>362266
i don't think i'd get one after a psychosis diagnosis
anon
#smartai why does the modern unites states and 1930s germany have such a bad nazi problem, how did these two nations develop such similar problems and why is the 2025 usa so similar to 1930s germany?

The parallels between contemporary United States and Weimar Germany (1919–1933) are often overstated but warrant careful analysis when discussing the resurgence of far-right extremism, authoritarian tendencies, and ethnonationalist movements. Several structural, sociopolitical, and economic factors contribute to these comparisons—though historical contexts differ significantly.

### **1. Economic Instability & Resentment**
- **Weimar Germany (1920s–30s):** Hyperinflation (1923), Great Depression unemployment (~30%), and punitive Treaty of Versailles reparations created mass disillusionment with liberal democracy. Many Germans sought radical alternatives.
- **Modern U.S.:** While not economically devastated like Weimar, stagnant wages since the 1970s, wealth inequality surpassing Gilded Age levels ($50T held by top 1%), deindustrialization ("Rust Belt" decay), and perceived betrayal by globalization fueled reactionary politics.

### **2. Political Polarization & Institutional Erosion**
- **Germany:** A fragmented parliamentary system allowed Hitler’s NSDAP to exploit democratic weaknesses via legal means (Article 48 emergency powers). Mainstream conservatives underestimated fascism as a "useful tool."
- **U.S.:** Extreme partisanship has paralyzed governance; norms eroding since Nixon/Reagan eras accelerated post-2016: refusal to concede elections ("Big Lie"), judicial politicization (*Citizens United*, SCOTUS legitimacy crisis), state-level voter suppression echoing *Gleichschaltung* tactics.

### **3. Propaganda & Media Manipulation**
- **Germany:** Joseph Goebbels weaponized radio/film/newspapers for nationalist mythmaking ("stab-in-the-back" conspiracy).
- **U.S.:** Right-wing media ecosystems (Fox News → OANN/Rumble/Telegram) amplify disinformation comparable to *Völkischer Beobachter*. Algorithmic radicalization via social media replaces centralized propaganda but achieves similar tribal indoctrination.

### ***4.* Scapegoating Minorities & Authoritarian Populism**
why does the modern unites states and 1930s germany have such a bad nazi problem, how did these two nations develop such similar problems and why is the 2025 usa so similar to 1930s germany?
davesprite
i come here because 4chan really really hates classical liberalism
>>362275
faye
>thinks libpol is for liberal politics
davesprite
>>362275
i came here because i wanted to post on the libpol board but the site is small and no one uses it so i'm now scheming up memetic honeypots to turn this into a million user site centered on homestuck coded revolutionary liberal action
>>362283>>362284
rose
>>362279
didnt tage it rose_orlando, IM RUINED!!
funnyposter
sowwt
funnyposter
sowwy
davesprite
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>>362276
oh no he said the quiet part out loud dave what are you doing you're supposed to hide le power levels you feathery asshole
::davesprite
anon
>>362273
that seems quite familiar to living here in amerrica x_X
faye
and you can
davesprite
>>362283
eventually as the site grows the overt homestuck references will fade, simply tagging vriska and sbahj everywhere will become site culture. i will continue making my hot garbage sbahj2 strips and through post-ironic subliminal messaging seed my own future followers
>>362298
faye
make an account
rose
i dont wanna ;-;
faye
rip
rose
why u hate me
anon
>>362285
post homestuck at a liberal and a fascist .skips
sadmoder
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i love
::rose_orlando
classics
rose
NOT STAPLEHON NOOOO
faye
nice
davesprite
14721.gif
>>362298
the heavily jpeg artifacted iteration of the holy spirit that once possessed the huss has found a new host
::dave jammin
funnyposter
this is so gay i need to kiss someone
>>362306
sadmoder
lmao
faye
uh huh
rose
>>362277
if anyone wnats to be the bunny girl on the left hmu
davesprite
honestly if anyone here has actually read homestuck
my plan for overthrowing the government (while very serious) is in fact a perfect extension of my larp
>>362312
anon
#smartai why do neo nazis mistake a natural slight decline in the ethnic white population for white genocide???

The misconception among neo-Nazis that a natural, gradual demographic shift constitutes "white genocide" stems from a combination of ideological extremism, historical ignorance, and psychological tribalism. Let’s dissect the flawed reasoning behind this belief:

1. **Misunderstanding Demographic Trends**:
In many Western nations, white populations are experiencing slower growth or slight declines due to lower birth rates—a phenomenon consistent with post-industrial societies (see demographic transition theory). Meanwhile, minority groups may exhibit higher fertility rates temporarily as they integrate economically. This is neither orchestrated nor unique; similar patterns occurred with Irish, Italian, and Jewish immigrants in earlier centuries.

2. **Conspiracy Mentality & Scapegoating**:
Neo-Nazis often subscribe to "Great Replacement" rhetoric—a debunked far-right conspiracy alleging deliberate ethnic displacement by elites or minorities. This paranoia ignores structural factors like socioeconomic mobility or voluntary assimilation while falsely attributing organic change to malign intent.

3. **Racialized Victimhood**:
The term *genocide* (as defined by the UN) requires intent to destroy a group physically or culturally. No evidence suggests systemic efforts akin to historical genocides target white people today yet reactionaries weaponize victimhood narratives for recruitment exploiting anxieties about globalization/multiculturalism

4\. Ignorance of Historical Context:
Actual genocides involve state-sanctioned violence like forced sterilization mass killings etc.—none occurring against whites presently Contrastingly immigration intermarriage equality reflect liberal democratic values not eradication

5 Psychological Insecurity:
Declining majority status threatens supremacist identities prompting hyperbolic claims preserving perceived racial hegemony through fearmongering rather than engaging pluralistic realities

In essence equating demographic ebb flow with genocide reveals profound illiteracy regarding both population science definitions atrocities It's polemical propaganda devoid empirical grounding designed inflame prejudices sustain extremist movements
why do neo nazis mistake a natural slight decline in the ethnic white population for white genocide???
rose
>>362309
can u do like government subsidised art n music projects plz
>>362314
rose
can u fund artists as president plz n ty
>>362314
davesprite
>>362312
>>362313
establishment of a UBI and realignment of land markets will create an economic situation where retiring from the workforce to pursue a career in the arts or sciences or whatever else passion pulls is universally a viable choice
however
i would if i had the ability restore all national endowments for arts and sciences and expand them
and give PBS 1 trillion dollars half of which is earmarked for an absurdly high budget sesame street film
rose
awesome, thats all i care about, that n trans stuff rlly
>>362322
rose
.skip (voted to skip this video)
anon
.skip (voted to skip this video)
funnyposter
dont skip :/
funnyposter
i love gybe
funnyposter
.play dead flag blues
rose
"we're thin (most of us)" why will toledo calling out the fat ppl like that? what an asshole
davesprite
>>362315
unfortunately artists are still sort of the demo my plans leave in the cold
i ain't going near IP law with a 10 foot pole and that's really the big fish to fry
but it is absolute political suicide. worse than trying to take on exxon and every landlord in america at the same time
davesprite
>>362326
they're just peeps following the incentive system our ancestors gave us all and their dice rolls made an option
we just take back what was stolen and call it a day
i am not opposed to a buyout like the brits did for ending slavery even
>>362329
funnyposter
.play let's lynch the landland
davesprite
>>362329
no more like how you typed that on a device produced by slave labor
susie down the street who owns a second house as a retirement investment and to pay her kids' college with the rent is a very different situation than MOONSANTOO
anon
There are some people who can't work, and they have to be landlords to survive.
anon
>>362329
is the implication that landlords are running concentration camps on the side?
rose
wanna kiss girls rn ;-;
rose
wanna kiss a girl on the mouth so lovingly and passionately that we both blank out the rest of the world around us and just focus on each other together kissing
funnyposter
waow
nama
wanna kiss a man on the mouth so lovingly and passionately that we both blank out the rest of the world around us and just focus on each other together kissing
>>362342
davesprite
>>362336
way to miss the point lol
anon
>>362336
Do you not see how this completely fails to mesh with the "just following orders" thing. Either you have the responsibility to not react to incentives under the current system or you do.
rose
wanna kiss a faggy girlboy on the mouth so lovingly and passionately that we both blank out the rest of the world around us and just focus on each other together kissing
davesprite
anyway we don't have to argue i am promoting land as an unownable public good
anon
Unfortunately, it's more likely that I pass, than I'm ever happy with someone.
anon
And number one is already impossible
faye
liberals wehhhhh
nama
me drink coffe at night
me no sleep today
rose
does april have 30 or 31 days in it??
>>362352
davesprite
speaking of land
this is still my favorite thing cartoon network ever produced
.play [YouTube]
nama
>>362350
29 days since first of april doesn't count
rose
right right ok
rose
got like uhm 12 days or whatever until i can kiss ppl im so hype
rose
n i get to sleep with a boy
rose
they dont tell you how good it feels sleeping next to someone
>>362360
nama
i like to cuddle in bed but in time to sleep each go to their separate uhm... forgot the word
rose
thats why the boy im seeing n his boyfriend do lol but that just means i get to cuddle with him byself lol
>>362365
davesprite
>>362356
god i miss this feeling
if i had irl friends i would invite them for sleepovers to snuggle platonically
rose
.play car seat headrest souls
rose
I JUST WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU!!!! I JUST WANT TO FUCK YOUUUUUUUU
WHEN I SAY STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP!!!!
faye
you're quitting
rose
no theyre like open or whatever, i do stuff with the both of them but sleep with one of them cos the other likes sleeping alone
funnyposter
ermmmmm
anon
.skip (voted to skip this video)
funnyposter
.skip (video skipped)
funnyposter
.skip (video skipped)
nama
reading a book by allen carr helped me quit smoking
anon
Cigars, used to smoke hookah pipes like a hipster
rose
#poll roseorlando.bandcamp.com / roseorlando.bandcamp.com / roseorlando.bandcamp.com
>>362386
funnyposter
.play mohini dey meat eater
davesprite
someone give me a date at least two weeks from now
i will quit cold turkey on that day
>>362388>>362394
funnyposter
LET'S LUNCH THE LANDLORD
davesprite
>>362388
oh god i regret this already kek
alrighty bet
Aleixi
>>362387
sometimes I miss being able to function
rose
you gotta dave, for me
rose
for me, your favourite girlboypuppy called rose who makes music as rose orlando
davesprite
>>362394
ok i just smoked so now i am cold turkey until next time i smoke
rose
haiii aleixi
nama
>>362396
it just makes you feel more confident because of media brainwash propaganda
faye
i like my pink vape sorry
davesprite
i think nicotine makes me feel more alert and confident and calm
but it's not that the nicotine causes that
it's that nicotine withdrawal takes it away from you
>>362407
anon
It's been a month and a half
rose
i only smoke/vape when im out at a rave and someone cute offers me one
>>362410
davesprite
everyone watch this btw
davesprite
>>362411
that one minute video is better at instilling class consciousness than anything marx ever wrote tbh
>>362415
Aleixi
>>362412
do you just like know people to go to them or are they advertised?
anon
>>362413
you mean hundreds of pages of responding to hegel didn't help
>>362418
rose
i just hang out in the smoking area lol
>>362420
rose
usually if you talk to ppl they offer if youre fun and cute and charismatic
davesprite
>>362415
for some reason this just didn't quite resonate with illiterate kulaks but no one can figure out why
>>362421
faye
one time I went to a show and some girl fed me like 6 cigarettes
rose
oh so they post online about them but i did find out about them from my gf at the time lol well my first one
>>362424
rose
n then at that first rave i met another girl and she took me to a different rave and then ive just been like doing it from there
davesprite
>>362421
marxist class distinctions and attempts to quantify human nature in little boxes make my head hurt
>>362427
anon
>>362425
It's an ideology based around the analysis of class relations, so like yeah there is going to be weird little separations between a factory worker and some weird feudal leftovers
>>362428
davesprite
>>362427
i understand that i just think dialectical materialism is a failed experiment that yielded some interesting truths but not a totality of answers or even a workable ideology
>>362435
anon
>>362426
iirc the class relations aren't really poor v rich as a whole either
rose
they should make me princess of the world and feed me unlimited smoked salmon and treats
>>362433
Aleixi
give me money
rose
i'll eat other stuff too n like move about n stuff
anon
>>362428
I think there was a quote by Reagan that said that marxists are really good at capitalism, I think that the strength of liberalism is the ability to internalize critique. There is at least some value in understanding an opposing belief system
>>362446>>362454
davesprite
>>362429
we should get rid of all poor people forever
(by giving them money)
>>362443
rose
but i just wanna be able to eat a lot of smoked salmon
rose
hihinonon
anon
>>362436
fiinland did this except homeless people and houses respectively
>>362449
anon
it worked basically perfectly, there are like <1000 homeless people in all of finland and they are not even living on the street, their definition of homelessness is like "someone who cant afford their next 2 rent payments"
davesprite
>>362435
very true, good point. that synthesis is what makes liberal societies weak and divided but it's also what makes them capable of being the strongest and most nimble societies of all
>>362450
rose
will toledo was the best to be doing it back in the 2010s, now its lex walton but thats only until i really lock the fuck in and blow up and then i will be the best to have ever done it ever for all time
funnyposter
.play come in weatherday
davesprite
>>362443
ya read about this in my study of foreign democratic systems while devising my domestic plans, it definitely is something i want to copy over here
anon
>>362446
the problem is when the consensus as a whole collapses and a contingent of society just outright hates the values the system is based on, ie what is happening in the US right now
>>362457
anon
>theres too many homeless ppl
<okay what if we build a fuckton of houses
>ok
and it worked perfectly, proving once again that the government of most countries would run BETTER under a literal 4 year old who just unlocked object permanance
>>362480>>362459
rose
I JUST WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU
I JUST WANNA FUCK YOU
I JUST WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU
I JUST WANT TO FUCK YOU
WHEN I SAY STOP
WHEN I SAY STOP
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP
>>362458
davesprite
>>362450
this problem to my eyes is a direct symptom of a public education deficit
a democracy is only as functional as its average voter is wise
>>362464
funnyposter
>>362455
take me to dinner first
anon
>>362459
i mean yeah you need smart people to implement things but the decisions themselves are often the simplest and "duh, yeah" solutions actually work best
>>362471
funnyposter
has anyone here ever received flowers
>>362466
faye
isn't finland also one of the most racist nations in europe
davesprite
>>362459
kind of not, they funded more housing construction and made a rule that anybody homeless gets a house unless they wanna choose to be a camper, iirc
anon
>>362457
I think the problem is that I am not made into a Sulla style autocrat which can purge society however I desire
>>362472
anon
ftm housemate gave me T, i gave them fin.
>>362467
anon
i met a cute person today i think they were ftm
funnyposter
what did she mean by this
anon
>>362467
nah they just a homie, a great homie, but a homie you know?
>>362475
anon
>>362460
There is a name for this, basically that the best policies are ones which can be implemented the best. yeah there are super complicated ideas that are better in theory, but implementation is what counts
>>362477>>362479
anon
:3 he was flirting with me a bit as he rang me up
funnyposter
>>362466
same i gave but never received :(
anon
>>362475
nah i'm mtf, they gave me T so if I ever wanna microdose i can and I gave them fin so if they ever wanna keep their hairline they can.
davesprite
>>362471
nooooo but my condorcet perfect voting system that takes ten years for each voter to understand how to cast their ballot we must do it
anon
>>362471
im just saying that "build more houses" is always gonna be a better solution than "provide economic incentives for them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and muh value economy and "
>>362488
funnyposter
.play junes jingle
faye
dont we have enough empty houses to house nearly every homeless person in the nation
anon
>>362483
#freeze (only staff can use this command on this board)
davesprite
ehehheh too late
anon
hell yeah mohini based. my gf loves her. makes me happy that there's such a strong, popular virtuoso woman just killing it on bass at the moment. she legit says she makes her feel more confident and that makes me happy c:
anon
>food is too expensive ppl are starving
<okay make food cheap
>ok
this one also wworks basically every time
saved rome from disaster basically every 3 fucking years
>crippling debt cycles
<cancel all debt
it is often THAT simple
>>362492
anon
>>362479
In the US, a large amount of the problem is due to weird urban zoning laws. Just build more houses lol would come down to the federal government crushing the state governments until the state governments crush the local governments to unfuck their shit so developers can come in
>>362489>>362490
anon
>>362488
the fed owns a weirdly massive amount of urban land and they could put a provision in tomorrow to ignore local zoning stuff
You wouldnt even need to rearrange much literally just tear down a few dozen warehouses per major city and put in tennements and it would at least be a fucking start
>>362493
davesprite
>>362488
honestly there are some things the feds probably should so
change how they incentivize road sprawl for one
they could also mandate multi use zoning at least under certain circumstances or like, for newly founded townships
davesprite
speaking of fed land
they should stop owning the reservations
just stop
give it back fuckers
>>362494
anon
>>362487
i want to live in finland now
anon
>>362489
well yeah, I suspect you'd see massive resistance in the courts as a result. Basically, you'd need to have a fed that is willing to just cut through the BS and ignore proceduralism, which would have its own consequences, or you'd have to spend years on it and hope the other party doesn't tard out and break it
>>362498
anon
basically mexican natives who demanded that at gunpoint and got it
davesprite
zapatistas are definitely interesting and somewhat based. i remember having some issues with their ideologies though and that was what led me into aligning moreso with kurdish/rojavan democratic confederalist thought
>>362504
anon
bass is so cool
anon
>>362493
>Basically, you'd need to have a fed that is willing to just cut through the BS and ignore proceduralism, which would have its own consequences
i just want to checkk rly quick. the current year for you is 2025 right? you arent in some weird timezone?
>>362501>>362500
anon
>>362498
the fed is only willing to cut through the bullshit to send brown people to concentration camps, haven't you caught on?
>>362509
davesprite
>>362498
all the things i say i want the federal government to do come after the big flip.
i expect nothing but disappointment from the feds at this time, and i intend to see the foundational laws updated without so much as involving congress
>>362506
rose
>>362502
manifesting this in my life btw
anon
>>362496
yeah i mean i dont think theyre perfect i dont think anyone and especially any system is. But i think on the whole the zapatista resistance is based
davesprite
>>362506
when we topple the regime by mass action and reform the foundational laws
anon
>>362500
do you think when we get a democratic pres in a cycle or two that those barriers and procedures are just going to rematerialize
>>362510>>362512
anon
>>362509
depends on how the Dems adjust. I really think that we are way to optimistic about the capacity of the Dems to win elections across extended periods of time.
anon
i just mean fromm a historical perspective what society has had its governing roots ripped out like that and just bounced back and been like "nah jk" with no lasting consequences
davesprite
>>362509
i think it's a little too early to express confidence in a continuing orderly succession of presidential power after 2028
davesprite
there is a nonzero chance we are living in the runup to a second civil war beginning around 2028-2029
>>362516
anon
and idk i think blue states win that hands tied behind their back
>>362519
rose
is the new weatherday album any good btw?
Aleixi
>>362513
I dunno if we'll even need to wait until then
faye
balkanize america
anon
the second blue states stop paying taxes the federal govt collapsed
davesprite
>>362514
there's a lot of variables at play.
it's notable that the most psychotic extremist in the entire administration with the wildest domestic policy obsessions is also the guy they picked to run the pentagon
they are purging the leadership in preparation for a mass exodus of ground troops who refuse to shoot on americans
>>362523
rose
.play lex walton i want you to kill me full album
davesprite
there may also be no such collapse
but we are closer than ever before to that precipice, save for maybe during the business plot
anon
>>362519
i dont think even the most dedicated magatards are chomping at the bit to actually be conscripted though
>>362527
funnyposter
.plau naruto vs sasuke amv
funnyposter
.play naruto vs sasuke amv
anon
I think its 100x more likely that the USA just loses all international prestige and becomes a weak vassal of EU or alternately china, than we actually have a civil war with the usa military involved
>>362531
davesprite
>>362523
if they can consolidate the military enough it doesn't matter
they don't need the fatass boogaloo boys for this, they just need to mimimize the amount of existing troops that melt into the hills and help the resistance build viet cong tunnels
anon
and again, i dont think they even have the most military bases
anon
Most of our bases are coastal and most coastal states are very blue
davesprite
>>362526
did you know that in his first term donald trump ordered the military to open fire on protestors in DC?
he was refused REPEATEDLY, by both the secretary of defense and the joint chiefs of staff
since then:
>hegseth became the secd
>the joint chiefs got purged
>the supreme court ruled this specific thing would not have been illegal anyway
>>362533
anon
>>362531
yeah our millitary has a really robust system yo protect against that ever since wwii
As a soldier you are personally culpable for doing soemthing unconstitutional even if you were just following orders
>>362536
davesprite
if we get a big mass movement against trump they will fire live ammunition
what happens next around the country is not certain
especially if they keep shooting
>>362538
anon
i don't think thats true i think the entire middle power structure is pretty robustly anti hegseth if not anti trump specifically
>>362537
davesprite
>>362533
they've been very hard at work dismantling that system because of how it obstructed term 1
davesprite
>>362535
you're telling me if the president and joint chiefs of staff order the national guard out to fire on protestors, every single guardsman and officer will defy their orders?
i dunno
>>362539
Aleixi
>>362534
it's bad enough for everyone I wonder how other countries would react it'd be cool to see I think
anon
>>362537
no but i think plenty will and hey if you let that cat out of the bag everyone who refuses is suddenly not just a defector but an *enemy combatant*
>>362541
anon
their options are join new blue state leadership or stay around to make a point and get shot
davesprite
>>362539
probably more court martialled for treason, but yeah.
but that would only reduce defections from a chilling effect imo
>>362542
anon
>>362541
but i think that happening also implies a big faction of the military and certainly state govts. forming their own anti fed coalition
>>362545
anon
and the options are stick around and be court martialed or go fight for the other side
funnyposter
.play angel dust full movie
davesprite
>>362542
honestly if they open fire on protestors what i want to know is what the democratic leadership would do
i think that might splinter the DNC finally
anon
I think theyre stupid and ambitious vut i dont think they are *that* stupid or ambitious
>>362553
anon
And i think any conflict that drags out is in the hands of the blue states 9999 times out of 10000
davesprite
you'd end up with rump democrats supporting stability and continuance of government, and a breakway faction agitating for insurrection or some shit
>>362556
anon
Most of the deep red states literally cannot maintain homeostasis without huge federal aid checks that ultimately come from blue states
davesprite
>>362546
the thing is even if they don't want a war, even if the resistance leaders don't want a war, if they piss the wrong parts of the public off enough it'll still just happen
it might start as low grade terrorism spreading into open revolts
noiada
>>362551
there's more in the forno if you want
anon
>>362548
i think the rump dems are like 5% of the blue voterbase and every single senator etc i dont think thats actually a huge loss
>>362557
davesprite
>>362556
>every single senator
HAH
oh well i guess joe manchin retired right
so maybe
anon
The US is to integrated with itself that any "civil war" would likely just be a coup
anon
Sorry every blue senator i mean
>>362561
davesprite
god i hate joe manchin so fucking much
davesprite
>>362559
oh you mean like all the dems in senate would stay with the government as rump opposition? yeah v possible.
>>362562
anon
>>362561
yeah all the dem leadership would form the rump dem party. the actual voters have been fucking pissed at the leadership for doing nothing more and more every single year
>>362563
davesprite
>>362562
true. i would note this doesn't i think alter the probability of war breaking out or not in the first place. but it definitely alters the game.
i do think in such a war the government would he hopelessly outmached by geurillas and defectors in a vietnam x 50 combo fwiw
but i was more focused here on just the possibility of the war happening or not from present conditions
anon
yeah the usa is unironi a fucking disaster to try to hold with a land military against the populations will
anon
im not even saying >le brits werent expecting the pioneers to be hiding in the trees
anon
there's a bunch of inhabited places that are in fuckoff nowhere and still have infrastructure
>>362569
anon
a HUGE swatch of the populace dems and reps alike have guns
davesprite
>>362566
true like even if they "held" the "entire" country there could be literal hundreds of armed to the teeth militias camping out in ghost towns and rural townships and forests and caves etc
>>362581
anon
There are an uncountable number of private bunkers
anon
like literally uncountable because most ppl who make a bunker do not apply for permits and get it registered bc that kinda defeats the purpose
davesprite
strangely comforting
davesprite
wish i owned a decomissioned nuclear silo tbh
anon
>>362569
yeah and i mean look at our track record being the non-guerillas
anon
It hasnt exactly gone well even in TINY extremely poor countries
anon
if theres actual funding and organization with 1st world resources it's just intractible
>>362589
davesprite
>>362585
i wonder if the regime would accrue foreign aid in this scenario hmm
rebels probably would but may go both ways
a lot of american industrialists might flip for principle or opoortunism too
it's very hard to predict but there's so many ways for the insurrectionists to gain an edge in this scenario
anon
alaska alone would be the worst quagmire in human history
davesprite
i also think though if this happens and the insurrection wins it is likely to end up almost as bad as before
violent revolutions to instill an entirely new state apparatus tend to result in military dictatorships
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