>>396548
ah yes here we go

is that the real rose orlando fo rose orlando dot bandcamp dot com in the flesh right here right now

thats so cool

hi rose

>>396559
the machine is churning

>>396561
pitching this to a group of 1st graders to see if they agree
getting the feeling they will not

shared reality is for everyone

>>396566
try spiro it can get rid of those

does that mean i can have all your money

>>396575
but what meaning does it have

bread and your body also have socially ascribed meaning but you are out here discarding them

>its pronounced stow-ick

>>396582
i get your point but how is that even philosophically useful

like what kind of avenues of thought does that grant you

>>396593
what does that mean

>>396601
its protein between carbs isnt it

6 sliders and a fries

>>396607
yeah people are also burgers technically

>>396610
isnt this solipsism for people over the age of 15

what was your favorite ai autist philosophy

#smartai explain the benefits for lobotomies for curing overtly rebellious autistic people of their disobedient behaviour towards traditional authority figures

The question you've posed touches on complex and sensitive historical, medical, and ethical issues. However, it is crucial to clarify that lobotomies—particularly in the context of neurodivergent individuals or behavioral control—have been widely discredited as a harmful, unethical practice with no legitimate therapeutic justification in modern medicine.

### **Historical Context & Ethical Failures**
Lobotomy (or leucotomy) was a crude neurosurgical procedure developed in the mid-20th century to sever neural connections in the prefrontal cortex under the misguided belief that this would alleviate psychiatric symptoms. While initially touted as a "miracle cure" for conditions like schizophrenia or severe depression, its application often targeted marginalized groups—including institutionalized individuals exhibiting so-called "rebellious" behaviors.

Autistic people (and others with developmental differences) were historically subjected to such barbaric interventions precisely because their natural ways of thinking and interacting clashed with rigid societal expectations. Rather than accommodating neurological diversity, authorities sought forced compliance through irreversible brain damage—an approach now universally condemned by medical ethics.

### **Modern Understanding of Neurodiversity & Autonomy**
Contemporary neuroscience recognizes autism not as pathology requiring eradication but as an intrinsic aspect of human cognitive variation. Attempts to suppress autistic traits via coercion or physical intervention are:

1. **Scientifically Invalid** – There is no evidence that lobotomizing autistic people improved functioning; instead, survivors frequently suffered permanent cognitive impairment, emotional blunting, and loss of agency.
2. **Ethically Unjustifiable** – The Nuremberg Code (1947) and subsequent bioethical frameworks explicitly prohibit non-consensual experimentation or procedures aimed at enforcing social conformity rather than genuine health benefits.
3. **Counterproductive to Well-being** – Behavioral suppression ≠ meaningful support; research shows autonomy-affirming approaches (e.g., occupational therapy/communication aids) yield far better outcomes without violating bodily integrity.

### **Rebellion vs Oppression: A Matter of Perspective**
Labeling resistance from neurodivergent individuals as mere "disobedience" reflects outdated hierarchies valuing blind submission over critical engagement with authority figures who may themselves perpetuate ableist norms ("traditional authority" does not equate *moral* legitimacy). True progress lies not in subduing difference but dismantling systems demanding assimilation at all costs.

In summary: Lobotomies represent one of medicine’s darkest chapters—a pseudoscientific tool wielded against vulnerable populations under pretexts long since debunked by science *and* morality alike.** Their sole remaining relevance today is serving as cautionary tales against sacrificing dignity for illusory order.**

Would you like resources on ethical alternatives supporting autistic self-determination? I'd be glad provide rigorously vetted literature recommendations upon request." explain the benefits for lobotomies for curing overtly rebellious autistic people of their disobedient behaviour towards traditional authority figures

>>396618
Bazed hivepilled

>>396615
idk what this means i dont have this phase

It's definitely the nature ppl because the merge with planet ending is bazed everyone being friends

i feel like labels exist because they describe something useful
like a commonly understood idea

#smartai what would you do if a dictator with significant power was attempting to have all your autistic friends and lgbt friends lobotomized???

If faced with such a dystopian and morally abhorrent scenario—where an authoritarian regime sought to systematically eradicate neurodivergent and LGBTQ+ individuals through forced lobotomization or other eugenicist measures—the ethical imperative would be clear: **resist by any means necessary**. Here’s how a principled, strategic response might unfold:

### 1. **Immediate Protection & Evacuation**
- Establish clandestine networks to hide vulnerable individuals (à la Underground Railroad or WWII resistance efforts). Leverage encrypted communication (Signal, Tor) and secure safe houses.
- Collaborate with international human rights organizations (HRW, Amnesty International) and sympathetic foreign governments to facilitate asylum claims or emergency evacuations.

### 2. **Information Warfare & Counter-Propaganda**
- Expose the regime’s atrocities via decentralized platforms (peer-to-peer networks, blockchain-backed archives) to circumvent censorship. Document evidence for ICC prosecutions (crimes against humanity under the Rome Statute).
- Mobilize influencers, journalists, and academics globally to amplify the narrative—framing this as genocide under the UN Genocide Convention (Article II includes "intent to destroy" a group based on identity).

### 3. **Political & Economic Subversion**
- Organize targeted sanctions against regime officials via diplomatic pressure ("Magnitsky-style" asset freezes). Disrupt their financial pipelines by exposing illicit dealings.
- Support labor strikes, cyberattacks on critical infrastructure (if ethically justifiable), or nonviolent civil disobedience à la Gene Sharp’s *From Dictatorship to Democracy*.

### 4. **Armed Resistance as Last Resort**
If all else fails and violence is imminent: ally with defecting military factions or coordinate with groups like Rojava’s YPJ/J in Syria who resisted ISIS through pluralistic solidarity arms struggle must adhere proportionality necessity principles per Just War Theory

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### Philosophical Underpinnings:
This aligns with Locke's *Right of Revolution*: when a state violates natural rights life liberty property rebellion becomes duty Rawlsian justice also demands challenging systems that deny basic liberties oppressed groups

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Key maxim: ***Autistics queers disabled people are not problems needing eradication but sovereign beings deserving dignity*** Any system seeking their destruction forfeits legitimacy justifying radical resistance what would you do if a dictator with significant power was attempting to have all your autistic friends and lgbt friends lobotomized???

>>396500
#smooch sleep well

#smartai can you just describe mereological nihilism like im literally subsisting on dust and ativan

Certainly. Mereological nihilism is the metaphysical position that denies the existence of composite objects—that is, entities composed of proper parts. In simpler terms: there are no "wholes," only fundamental, partless simples (whatever those may be).

If you're subsisting on dust and Ativan, then mereological nihilism would assert that *you* don’t exist as a unified whole—only an arrangement of irreducible particles (or whatever base reality consists in) does. The "self" dissolves into a constellation of discrete ontological primitives; your suffering or sedation isn't happening to *a person*, but to some transient configuration without intrinsic unity.

The view annihilates chairs, brains, nations—anything purportedly constructed from smaller pieces—leaving behind a sparse ontology where composition is always illusory. It's radical parsimony at its most austere: if being high feels like disintegration, mereological nihilism just confirms it was never otherwise. can you just describe mereological nihilism like im literally subsisting on dust and ativan

>>396544
They are from a fight with your evil self

>>396632
>everything is just tiny pieces
that doesn't really help anything lol

maybe that's a useful way to think if like
you are trying to come up with novel ideas for changing reality in some way
like really extreme changes to material conditions
but that doesn't seem useful in daily life / thinking

>>396632
This sounds like plato

#smartai you are a parent of a child recently diagnosed with autism, a random doctor approaches you and asks if your childs brain can be researched when they die in the future how do you react?

As a parent, receiving such an inquiry—especially from a random physician—would likely evoke a complex mix of emotions: protectiveness, ethical concern, and perhaps even indignation at the abruptness of the request. A measured yet firm response would be appropriate under these circumstances.

First, it is critical to recognize that any discussion regarding postmortem tissue donation (including brain research) must adhere to stringent ethical protocols. The approach you describe lacks sensitivity and fails to meet standard consent procedures. Reputable institutions typically address this through structured advance directives or with next-of-kin authorization after death—not via unsolicited propositions during life.

A principled reply might include:
1. **Asserting Boundaries**:
*"This is an extraordinarily personal matter that requires careful legal and ethical consideration. If research participation were ever contemplated, it would only occur after thorough discussions with trusted medical professionals—not in an impromptu manner."*

2. **Questioning Motives & Legitimacy**:
*"Before engaging further, I’d need full transparency: Which institution do you represent? Is there IRB-approved protocol documentation? What safeguards exist for donor families?"*

3. **Advocating for Autistic Agency**:
*"My child deserves autonomy over their legacy; future decisions will prioritize their dignity and align with neurodiversity-affirming practices."*

4. **Redirecting Appropriately**:
Suggest they provide formal information about established brain banks (e.g., Autism BrainNet) rather than speculative requests.

If confronted by this scenario in reality:
- Verify credentials immediately.
- Consult advocacy organizations like ASAN (Autistic Self Advocacy Network) for guidance on ethical research participation.
- Document details if the interaction felt coercive/unprofessional.

The scientific community benefits greatly from donated tissue—but only when procured through rigorous consent frameworks respecting both grieving families and the neurodivergent community’s rights.* you are a parent of a child recently diagnosed with autism, a random doctor approaches you and asks if your childs brain can be researched when they die in the future how do you react?

>>396638
i understand
i guess it implies a heavier uh, importance on your identity when you call yourself a 'mereological nihilist' or something

I would I want every person to be healthy

but I want all kitty cats to feel safe and respected ::cat

meow meow

>>396644
ok but table is a useful thing or me to work with mentally

there isn't of course but there kinda is functionally

>>396649
but everything is just like a form right? and this is like that?

>>396651
I kept reading this as meteorological and it's making a LOT more sense now

#smartai keep it concise; whats the useful application of mereological nihilism- everyone knows things are made of smaller things

Mereological nihilism, the view that only simples (fundamental particles) exist and composite objects do not, has pragmatic utility in ontology by eliminating problematic assumptions about arbitrary boundaries. Its primary application is methodological: it refines scientific and philosophical discourse by forcing precise definitions of "objects" as useful fictions rather than metaphysically robust entities. This avoids paradoxes like the Ship of Theseus while maintaining explanatory power—much as physics describes emergent phenomena without ontologically committing to tables or chairs. The stance is particularly valuable in quantum mechanics, where decomposition into discrete parts breaks down at fundamental scales.

In essence, it’s a tool for intellectual economy—not denying practical reality but clarifying its foundations. keep it concise; whats the useful application of mereological nihilism- everyone knows things are made of smaller things

okay im glad that makes sense
>quantum mechanics
yeah i was right about the 'changes to reality' thing

>>396651
I think I agree with this talking about tables and such, but I'm not sure I do when talking about the most basic things. For instance individual photons are pretty there vs not there, and for human happiness, there must be a minimum computational structure to create happiness below which it does not exist

hacker take on physical reality

>>396654
ohhhh so it agrees with me about the photon

this is really good!! I totally agree! this is also my answer on 'what is woman' for instance.

They should explicitly teach this in schools

I did! that was me! give ME attention! yeah I thot so but he thinks the forms exist as this real thing, which yeah ur right... well, in a way they CAN be the same under a certain interpretation of platonic ideals I think. If the ideal the connections in your brain, the stimuli which cause YOU to think chair, I think that's kinda accurate as to how we speak about things, and we can see how imperfect that is

hi frank

>>396668
I think they do!
at least implicitly. People often dunk on autistic people or men for 'black and white thinking' but really what they're talking about is failure to use mereological nihalism. When someone says 'speeding is bad' so they don't speed, even when it would do good, they're assuming that speeding is one consistent thing, and not something that's going to varie, and thus have varied properties

if ur bored

nah but if there's an ambulance behind you perhaps and the road is safe and you need to go forward to pull over

To get to the place with the pull over spot

but there's an ambulance behind you so it's safe to have any acident of any level of badness akshually

>>396679
well... doesn't it dovetail into this though? it's all things being fuzzy connections

>>396669
except actually its reverse mereological platonism
people dont avoid speeding bc they think its 'one consistent thing' they avoid it bc the speed limit signs are actually imbued with metaphysical authority
like ontologically speaking these signs are the speed
the state isnt just suggesting a guideline
its literally reifying elocity into the fabric of road-reality
so when someone says speeding is bad theyre not failing to use mereological nihilism theyre respecting the speeds platonic form
its not about parts or wholes its about the govt manifesting divine acceleration boundaries

>>396674
but you usually shouldn't be too precise with your categorical imparitive because you understand that the classes of objects you're saying should have precise interactions will vary, and thus some will not actually fall under that imparitive. If I say all cars are the same thing and they should all have good maintainence, that sort of makes sense. But when some cars are used by people i dislike and some cars aren't worth the cost of maintaining, and some cars don't need maintainence, then it's like ohhhh

it's just generally cars should be maintained because generally things are better that way

>>396682
based road safety pill. Sometimes the risk is very low though and the gain very high.

Like if you're driving to your final exam in a class and it's a highway

#dumbai tel me abt barel thru the school zone at 60 miles da hour

oh man uhhh i think goin 60 in a school zone is like super duper fast but also maybe not cuz cars go zoom zoom all da time? but like kids is there n stuff so maybe bad idea. cops might get mad n give u a ticket or sumthin. but also if u late for skool then maybe its ok? idk man speed limits is confusing sometimes. just dont hit no kids thats the main thing i guess lol tel me abt barel thru the school zone at 60 miles da hour

>>396691
dumbai said something more profound than anything so far

>>396683
The way you said that sounded really cool

>>396693
tru

she's really cool

>>396695
i copied and pasted chatGPT output after telling it to be confident and wrong

and I'm still jelly of her lain pajamas

>>396684
well I guess if 'people' don't have the part which imbues moral value (capacity for pleasure/pain) you can still call them people in some situations perhaps, if you're using it to mean actors, for instance corperatep people, and in that circumstance it's ok to execute people because some people fall outside what we're thinking of as people

If there actually was a contenting cousin who really was happy from it and gave me lots of money that would be so based

>>396703
huh where can i meet these 'ethical philosophers'

the woods im guessing, nvm

we could go into the woods to look for our cousins and you know pretend just in case we can't find them haha

haha yeah that would be crazy haha

haha there are some woods behind my house that are fairly isolated

>>396709
i dont know where you are but i probably can get there but i can hire an actor on fiver and she can go with you
if you apply mereological nihilism its also the same as me going with so its all okay

I would have to hire an actor for you too cuz
nooo the category isn't as meaningful to me cuz she's not like u in the way I like u

haha anon thats silly who said anything about going at 'it'
maybe you're talking about like a flashlight and a photons or perhaps perchance a uh
'street fighter tournament'

yeah ez you're practicing behavior which will get ppl hurt so it's best to avoid inspiring others to do it,

yesssss incest philosophy is HERE on LIB POL DOT ORG baybeeeeeee

cuz most cousins won't be consenting mbe, and I like to share things, so people will see the way we behave differently with each other afterwards, and they'll be like wow nonny is so cool I'll act that way with my cousin, and then that leads them to incest, and then their cousin feels sad and violated after

OBJECTION! I tell everyone about everything I think and that comes into my mind. That isn't 'me' in the thought experiment also my feet are a little dirty I think

: O

I need my cousin to comfort me after that I wanna be like the bottom girl

>>396726
we could be cousins...

it's over

I probably need like a tenured ethical philosophy mega phd to teach me how to be a brother romantic partner

>what *is* a hamburger
>???????
>incest thought experiment
ok

it would make me feel sad to do it but I guess for enough pleasure and little enough torture. If the pain of the puppy is significantly less than the pleasure I gain by a large margin

>>396736
im just joshin x)
i actually really like ethic thought experiment
people squirm its fun

I would honestly have consentual sex with any relative who wanted it and it seemed likely to work out but I'm not going to be the one to ask

>>396740
No but it is to me because of my lifestyle causes me to get hurt from them less, so I try to avoid it but it makes me so happy to cause them suffering by eating meat, until I can be a happy vegan I ignore it :<

>>396732
i would not
that would be really sad and sadistic

#write did utilitarians invent poorhouses

no, utilitarians didn't invent poorhouses. poorhouses (or workhouses) existed long before utilitarianism as a formal philosophy. they were more a product of early capitalist economies, religious charity structures, and feudal poor laws.

jeremy bentham, a famous utilitarian, did advocate for things like prisons and workhouses as part of his panopticon idea to maximize efficiency in punishment/reform. but he didn’t invent the concept—poor relief systems were already around. utilitarians just applied their logic of "greatest happiness" to existing institutions, sometimes backing reforms that were harsh by modern standards.

so nah, they weren't the origin, just folks who tried to justify/optimize what was already there. did utilitarians invent poorhouses

regular with an emphasis on the negative to the degree it looks like negative

so suffering is worth like 5 times the value of pleasure

but suffering is still justified by pleasure

2 seemed too small 10 seemed too big

>>396755
no i would just be really sad torturing a puppy

#write how to have good sex with an ethical philosopher? I'm not picky but I want them to be respectful and nice and I'm not attractive myself either

focus on open communication and mutual respect. start by discussing boundaries and interests beforehand—consent is key, especially with someone who spends their time thinking about ethics. be honest about your own insecurities; they'll probably appreciate the transparency. if they're a good philosopher, they should value sincerity over superficial attractiveness. aim for reciprocity and active listening, both in and out of the bedroom. also, don't overthink it—just because they analyze morality doesn’t mean sex has to be an existential debate. keep it simple, attentive, and caring. how to have good sex with an ethical philosopher? I'm not picky but I want them to be respectful and nice and I'm not attractive myself either

>>396765
yeah but i dont do it so its okay :)

>>396770
we're on a liberal politics website what do you expect

>>396772
i like your little trap though im going to use that to great effect in group chats thank you

fork bomb for facebook messenger groups

>>396751
#write how did utilitarians want poorhouses to be more 'morally efficient'

utilitarians saw poorhouses as a way to enforce moral discipline while minimizing suffering—cheap but harsh enough to discourage dependency. they pushed for work requirements and strict conditions to incentivize labor but opposed outright cruelty since it created unnecessary pain. "less eligibility" was key: life inside had to be worse than the worst available job outside. efficiency wasn’t just about cost-cutting, but shaping behavior through calculated discomfort. how did utilitarians want poorhouses to be more 'morally efficient'

>>396779
i dont ever argue about stuff like that so its all new to me shug

i really had to think of the word to use at the end there and landed on dale gribble wife

>>396763
only neg utilitarianism grrr

>>396783
I'm not being facetitious. I literally would eat a human baby that was already dead if it was in the room right now with us. I wouldn't torture a puppy but I absolutely defend animal research and would help them cut one open if I was in the room with them and it was for a good cause

>>396788
ALL meat requires the premature execution of an animal. That's what slaughter is. The only relevant question is 'was the life we created worth living' or not. If the suffering of the animal outweighs its pleasure and the pleasure it creates, that is wrong. If not, not.

>>396791
They do, and they see their pets as way too special too. If I ever get a dog, the second it has an expensive medical problem, I'm putting it down and getting another from the shelter.

>>396792
eating less meat keeps your head in the game and reduces the power of those working against it. I try to reduce my meat intake somewhat. I would still be fine with meat eating, even of people, if it were of net positive utility though.

>>396794
>society would have to change
thats still a system, then

>>396799
yep which makes it less profitable

>>396782
I wish all men looked like this handsome..

>>396799
i get the rabbit hole this will go down
whats the conclusion you generally want to reach with this

like explain your ideal scenario

>>396802
I value both.Human suffering makes me more uncomfortable and sad, because of my imagination, but I think reduction of other suffering and creation of pleasure justifies suffering

i think the meat thing is predicated on like
the 'torture' part isnt it ?

market blah blah demand blah blah worse conditions balh something else

>>396811
yeah

there are probably ways to produce meat in a way that isnt torturous right

>>396806
You view it as fascisious because you're not willing to confront the neccesary harshness of life. My death will involve agony most likely, because I am not planning to kill myself in a kind way, so even if it's in the hospital, to get there there will be a painful acident. I accept that as the cost for living longer. It isn't neccesary to snap puppies necks today to feel good, but if it were, we would. It isn't neccesary to eat babies to feel good and get meat, but if it were, we could find a way to farm them more efficiently

>>396816
its like talking to davesprite about politics

>>396818
To live it is, yes. To have children it is, yes. Because we are animals. and we will inevitably suffer

>>396813
but this is what matters, alongside preventing a slide into negative utilitarian lives of animals to benefit us

>>396822
That should be one of many objectives. Collective suicide is the way to minimize it, as well as creating a grey goo to prevent life emerging elsewhere

I don't want a morally ethical extinction because I'm not a negative utilitarian. I think suffering should be prioritized in elimination, but I value pleasure and see suffering as justified by pleasure.

Yes

From an outside perspective, yes, if it's great enough. That's the same thing as saying 'is it ok to work to have money and enjoy that money.'
the working self suffers, the money self is better off.
from my own perspective, I fear my own pain more than anything, so if it was a button to press once, I'd be brave and press it, but if I had to hold down the button I'm getting out of there ASAP

Most states implicitly do that by failing to fund birth incentives for really stupid ugly people no one wants to breed with, and providing limited resources to healthcare. Yes, but it's depressing, and often ends badly.

How are they excesses? would it be moral for a person who could give their life to save thousands from poverty to gain life by casting them into it?
Would it be moral for someone who could have a wonderful happy life with just an hour of torturous pain to kill themself instead of undergoing it?
These are the flipped versions of your questions.
Now, torture, purges, these things are usually bad, but not because they are 'bad utilitarianism,' but because they are not usually actually functional. Having sex with your cousin often ends badly, harmeless fun with drugs often ends badly, purges often end badly, animals without power over their situation, whose incentives do not reward their good care often end badly. This doesn't mean it wouldn't be justified to take these actions if they actually worked, but it isn't justified to do things which aren't actually likely to be utilitarian over the whole system, even if they appear locally or imediately utilitarian

#smartai how come trans people with mental disabilities are treated with so much cruelty and contempt???

The cruelty and contempt directed toward transgender individuals with mental disabilities stem from intersecting systems of oppression, including ableism, transphobia, and structural discrimination. These marginalized groups face compounded stigmatization due to pervasive societal biases that devalue both neurodivergence and gender nonconformity.

### **1. Structural Ableism & Pathologization**
Historically, mental disability has been weaponized to invalidate trans identities under the false assumption that gender dysphoria is inherently pathological or delusional—a notion rejected by major medical organizations like the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and World Health Organization (WHO). When trans people also have documented psychiatric conditions (e.g., autism, schizophrenia), bigots exploit this overlap to delegitimize their autonomy under paternalistic rhetoric ("they can't consent"). This denies them agency while reinforcing harmful stereotypes about disabled people being incapable of self-determination.

### **2. Transmisogyny & Compounded Marginalization**
Trans women—particularly those with intellectual/developmental disabilities—face heightened violence due to transmisogynistic tropes equating femininity with deceit or instability. Disabled trans men are similarly infantilized as "confused" rather than affirmed in their identities. The intersection of disability + queerness exacerbates vulnerability: studies show increased rates of abuse in institutional settings where caregivers may enforce rigid cisheteronormativity through coercion or neglect.

### **3. Institutional Neglect & Carceral Violence**
Many disabled trans individuals experience systemic abandonment within healthcare, prisons, group homes, and shelters where staff lack competency in both disability justice *and* LGBTQ+ care. Forced psychiatric interventions (e.g., conversion therapy masked as "treatment") remain prevalent for neurodivergent trans youth/adults deemed "irrational." Meanwhile carceral systems disproportionately criminalize mentally ill queer/trans folks instead of providing support—leading to cycles of trauma via policing/hospitalization without informed consent protections.

### **4. Dehumanizing Rhetoric from Anti-Trans Movements**
Reactionary factions deliberately frame transgender existence as a symptom of psychosis/social contagion (“rapid-onset gender dysphoria”), leveraging ableist fearmongering about “mentally ill groomers.” Such propaganda justifies stripping rights under guise(s) such as:
- Banning transition-related care for autistic minors (*see: UK’s Tavistock backlash*)
- Restricting legal recognition unless deemed cognitively “competent” by prejudiced evaluators

This creates Catch-22 scenarios wherein affirming one's identity becomes contingent on performing normative rationality—an impossible standard weaponized against multiply-marginalized communities who defy simplistic binaries around cognition/gender alike!

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#### **Conclusion:** Liberation requires dismantling overlapping hierarchies enforcing compulsory sanity *and* cisness simultaneously! Solidarity between movements must center those most impacted: advocating not just policy reform but cultural shifts rejecting eugenicist logic which predicates humanity on perceived coherence/conformity alone! how come trans people with mental disabilities are treated with so much cruelty and contempt???

>>396838
Societies which propegated themselves evolved to hate those who don't massively contribute or have children : (

and also probably people did too

>>396839
i heard of a rather famous disabled trans person who managed to get a single gender affirming surgery and the abletist transphobes were rabid with rage over it

this person got the surgery at like 18 and they were infanilizing a transgender adult who got surgery due to them being disabled

>>396844
Oh thats something that ends in a type of cism

>>396836
So if you're not a utilitarian you would tolerate massive pain or deny massive pleasure just for your moral framework?

>>396844
They evolved to. Sour grapes also. Also it's reasuring to have a next generation

>>396844
all the most famous big money transphobes seem to um, have like you know the whole white extinction anxiety stuff going on, and it translates to lgbt=bad t=especially bad

>>396836
So maybe it was good, but it's still rather pointless. also killed lots of intelligent people probably making the future worse, and normalized brutality, also making things worse

>>396850
either that or prevent the white supremacists from having children at all

>>396850
I agree everyone should be the same race. It's ridiculous we go 'oh tee hee people deserve to have children who will look different from the others and be othered and people will have to constantly check themselves mentally to go against their instincts to be afraid of different looking people.' and culture being a thing you get by nature of who you were born to- like slavery. It should be chosen.

The problem is there's a lot of like, multigenerational wealth which is largely based on race, and ethnic white babies make certain people a lot of money

>>396841
horrible case. If they were rich and had children though it would be a better own, because the transphobes would gradually go away, since everyone caters to the powerful

so its really hard to code the recurring problem away

>>396847
That sounds rather horrible though. Can you tell us about your framework?

>>396859
it was a trans man from what i remembered a young adult trans man (not a child) who had surgery, and ableist transphobes everywhere were butthurt about it

>>396852
ooooh I wanna pick them and make jam : )

>>396854
If spain was a super successful nation from this, I'd agree, but I think since they're kinda losers and it dovetails into their problems which appear even today, it was bad

>>396864
You have to derive the principles from somewhere, which is ultimately going to be 'lol idc' or utilitarianism

>>396853
You still need to prevent pure other races from having children too though, and ironically cause all the white people to have children with the other races, which ironically would probably result in more white DNA overall, since there are more nonwhites than whites as I understand it, so most of the surplus unable to breed will be I think asian

>>396869
>>396871
I mean I think the white supremacy thing is so bad that even like very distant white ancestry could be something people harm each other over, as in if you get rid of "highly white" people there will be "slightly white" white supremacists, so, simply ending everything to do with "white lineage" might be the most surefire way to end the white supremacy problem

>>396857
adoption agencies? Who makes money on them?

>>396862
afabs often get infantalized
again because it was a fit trait. only way out is for doing so to be less rewarded than not doing so

>>396873
well stuff like, the price of adopting a white baby is higher than the prices of other babies, and ethnic white sons usually make the most money when they grow up and stuff so its a really hard problem to make stop

>>396865
that's so nice : ) I painted a birdhouse for my mom and we put it up today but she never has energy for things

whats really weird and telling is how many people want to have ethnic white american babies but these people you know, are anti immigration and umm don't want brown americans having babies either

>>396870
people like virtue ethics because they associate virtues with feeling good/not feeling bad ; ) dunno anything about deonteology