>>419533
i think it's more the fault of the colonialism project being done for a really long time and based ideologically around ideas to which caucasian whiteness was central. racial pseudohistory was very important to the social fabric of european colonial empires and got ingrained into american culture from the beginning and reinforced by the way it upheld the economic system

>>419537
this is a very individualistic way of looking at it but it's more of a societal narratives thing
individual racism is a twisted and confused by-product of a social story about human history that was ingrained into a string of national identities and from there disseminated top down into popular imagination
less so to do with one man's wealth more to do with things like the immense riches of the triangle trade

it's kind of weirdly dehumanizing to contextualize racism as like, not an individual choice so much as a lack of choice and sweeping up into norms and trends without questioning them, but it really is
the people creating and perpetuating institutional racism have always been just playing on innate tribalism to achieve economic ends, the creation of bigotry is collateral damage (until the created bigots themselves get into power but they are fascistic at the root and flame out fast)

>>419543
hii hru

>>419546
also lil tired, got a lawnmower stuck in mud today and took hours to dislodge :p
but gud! still working avidly on my writing stuff. got a 20+ page outline with a bunch of stuff plotted out and concurrent things weaving together etc

>>419552
this gets fuzzier and more cumulative on causes, and it's not universal either (you do see matriarchies) but yeah something there.
i just don't know that i would root it to racism, so much as that racism connects at the root to imperialism which sex hierarchy and norms are also a product of
male bodies evolved strong, then humans gained agriculture and men usurped the social order, then everything sort of diverges out from that point
it seems likely that pre-agrarian humans were a lot more gender egalitarian (though probably not less territorial/tribalistic) based on what we see with isolated tribes or in nomadic non-agri history

i guess you could make an argument that the gender hierarchy is responsible for all imperialistic behavior in humans, but iunno about that
we have this one initial breach out of our evolutionary path with agriculture, but that's not entirely an act of sex oppression it's many things at once and good for women at the apparent surface level
i would blame it all on our tribal instincts and social ordering out from agriculture but not necessarily all as it connects to sexism

>>419556
okay i have declined to be persnickety about this but why in this conversation about race are you constantly relating everything back to transphobia and cisnormativity dynamics
that's very silly imo lol

>>419559
it just sounds like talking to a diversity checklist a little when we're like talking about the roots of racial classifications and you come in talking about the historic drive for the cisgendered son
idk maybe i am being rude and i am definitely being pedantic just something was striking me about your phrasing ig

>>419561
yeah i got what they were saying about the drive for male children and how in patriarchal societies that dynamic can amplify like bad mindsets and i agree tbh
i just decided to be a bitch about the wording, apparently

>>419569
mammal reproduction process really completely fucked up our whole social order ong

sexual dimorphism is a fucking plague

>yeah one of you is designed to be big strong killing machine who gets everybody pregnant and one of you is designed to be brain machine who categorizes plants and can only get one mate at a time while the killing machines decide how exactly that'll work
>what could go wrong

it probably doesn't help that we stopped roaming too
women would've been close to male physical strength before we started building houses and testosterone advantage became more relevant

>>419577
actually wait have anthropologists considered this

women probably get MUCH weaker from the shift to sedentarism compared to men

that just like amplifies the dynamic

that might even be the main reason agricultural societies tend patriarchal, like moreso than differences in reproduction

>>419588
honestly it would be fine if it wasn't like, the specifics of it we have
one sex being stronger is an issue
and human pregnancy is also a particularly uniquely bad nightmare to inflict on one of our sexes, compared even to other mammals
and pregnancy in general probably fucks up social relations

imagine if every period cycle a woman could pick a new father for the next child
that would remake our whole history

egg laying humans timeline is fucking thriving

>>419602
it's a bit chicken and egg as our reproductive method probably exacerbates the strength difference but consider if women were innately stronger and could typically overpower men?
suddenly the seed spreader nature of men wouldn't matter
in that world men are all simps begging for a chance to impregnate

>>419608
this and also for men to intimidate, easier to rape or resist rape, easier to win against a challenger
strength is huge in a world of territorial claims
and that's another factor agriculture amplified

>>419614
this implies a body always in peak condition meaning never dying of old age just getting to 10 years past peak then re-peaking forever until the sun explodes
i take the deal

>>419619
not necessarily. the incentive is always to enhance reproductive success (though this is also reductive, ignoring things that can be vestigial to this but otherwise beneficial), but there are a lot of ways physical strength and violent ability can do that.
>secure land for the tribe and your kids survive better
>kill more animal and your kids don't get kill and have more to eat
>stronger bodies simply range further, have better endurance, etc
>violent territorialism protects your offspring from the invader no matter how many there are
so this trait may not exist as a means of dominating female humans but rather may have served these other benefits
we are a eusocial species so clearly we aren't evolved around total individualistic dominance of males over one another. the men do cooperate and always have as far as we know, they just also die more (not necessarily due to mating competition either)
generally it's wrong to assume such simple and common sense explanations with evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology; we really don't know exactly

>>419620
the answer is that this discussion is an anthropology deep cut about hunter gatherer societies that may be interesting and of use to social scientists but you really don't need to understand it at all
i am just into this stuff

>>419633
heyo

>>419635
the literal root word meaning is study of humans
it's largely the broad scale study of like, our species history. where written history stops archeology begins. where archeology ends anthropology begins. roughly.
stuff like human evolutionary history and migration patterns and broad scale social trends (a lot of statistics often, esp in modern anthro study)

>>419646
interesting question. can't really say anything too definitive about what behaviors or knock-on evolutionary path a divergent history might cause, that's wild speculation territory
but i think maybe the human brain in OTL provides a good case study for this.
humans, by and large, have sex-mosaic brains. even cis people tend to have some mix of sex traits far beyond any other part of the body, and it also seems to adapt somewhat by social conditions. researchers have theorized that in the wild this may have helped us survive population collapses in tribes -- for example all the men are dead, but the women become malebrained (especially the young ones) to suit the need for hunters.
so we can imagine if our reproduction didn't involve making one of the sexes combat useless for a trimester or two, we might adapt a similar physical malleability
i think to some extent women's ability to produce extra testosterone through exercise already does serve this role (men can do this too ofc but it perhaps fills multiple purposes as many traits do)

>>419674
honestly while most of the rise in trans identification is definitely just a combo of broader acceptance + non-trans-NB-labelling, i've suspected an epigenetic component
like, you do seem to see dysphoria more commonly in comfortably fed and relatively culturally 'gentle' societies, maybe it's an adaptation to a world that demands like empathy and feminine mentality

>>419706
"our timeline," term from alt history communities i think mb

i like how sometimes this place is a coffee shop in vienna in the 1800s and sometimes it's 4chan

>>419732
#edit make this wholesome and sfw and bury nice post

>>419733
true 4chan used to be a lot that too before it slowly got overtaken by its nihilistic core users and turned into a cess pit

>>419735
there are two wolves inside me, both are hungry, i want french frie

>>419743
i am zoomer lol

honestly now that zoomers are pushing 30 i can definitively say we are worse than the boomers and responsible directly in many ways for the destruction of this world

>>419752
my theory on autists is that there are three stages
>hunter gatherer societies your tribe fucking NEEDED the local autist or you're dying of poison berries
>agri and empires and autists are weird and don't fit in easy kill the changeling
>now we need math specialists and artists and stuff stop killing the changelings

like imagine an autist in ye olden days before we had farming
what is there even to hyperfixate on
you are SUCH a good hunter or forager or whatever
catalogue of everything in your specialty
maybe they were all autists back then and "neurotypical" humans are just domesticated

>>419766
honestly one would expect to see domesticated humans tbqqqh
it only takes a few generations for mammals in captivity to develop softened canines and floppy ears and docility, we've studied this
maybe neurotypicals ARE domesticated people

>>419772
i am straying dangerously close to pro-autism eugenics at this juncture

i should really not post that lel

>>419787
it's not your fault. we are a generation devastated by accidental psychological warfare for profit.
gen x invented the modern web and ruined gen Z and now gen Z is the most politically disastrous generation since the lead-huffers

microplastics probably aren't helping i bet those lower our average IQs

>>419804
so what you're saying is that my joke theory that the vast majority of the human population is self-domesticated livestock is in fact true

>>419810
autists don't innately lack social skills. underdiagnosis of female autism is largely attributed to this misconception (women are pressured to be social more openly and then take a special interest in being good at it).
autists are monotropes. the defining trait is the singular fixations aspect

>>419827
lol ok sure
::sbahj
#throw

>>419835
there's also been potential genetic links identified. and this study you linked is just boys with adhd and autism comorbid so not exactly representative
we don't know what causes autism, you're spreading disinfo

>>419837
oh u rite

>>419841
#edit replace this with a song about how i took the bait

>>419841
this sings really well to the tune of i need a hero

.play i need a hero

>>419855
well yeah there's some face component autists can often spot in each other and AI can iirc identify. AI can also identify gay face though, and gay is still primarily a brain thing
autism is mainly a difference in the mind, the physical differences aren't like, huge or disabling or anything. and recently consensus is forming around the traditional mental profile of autism being wrong and it being more of a factor of single-tracking/monotropism

>>419863
i have no radar for autism because of my aggresssive like trained blindness to deformities to avoid myself staring
but other autists always seem to be able to flag me

i think it's cause i had a friend with a massive like throat thing who spoke through a puncture hole as a kid and i forced myself to just stop seeing it
now i am a little actively faceblind about anything i can't complement

>humans are species
in fact true

>>419877
i have an autistic frame (marfanoid habitus, connective tissue things correlated with autism)
but it just makes me look big and powerful and like i should climb trees or play basketball
the autistic skeleton is a monkey

>>419889
did somebody say wizard