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anon
There are no words there!
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i think i queued the wrong one but this guy also got a docu interview w the creator of the fcg 9 before he died
anon
guys what exactly is the point of a live chat that goes so fast nobody can read a damn thing
>>457836
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2
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aw man
anon
wtf did it just get blocked smdh
>>457833
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nah i went to play his interview w people blowing up railways used by the russian military
anon
>>457831
yeah age restricted idk why :(
anon
.play donald fagen snowbound
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anon
>>457826
it gets slower and faster at times, there are also other threads that go slow
>>457838
anon
>>457663
the treatment of browns n muslims has been super crazy since before the advent of ‘terrorism’
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twitch has a painful amt of issues at times
>>457844
anon
like who in tf can read any of that
pandobra
youre supposed to pick out comments from the sea
>>457849
anon
>>457841
that's nicer than what I would say
anon
besides pogchamp
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>>457663
yeah i mentioned it the day of
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was wack
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though not unexpected
anon
>>457843
fairly certain people pay more so their comment gets highlighted or whateve
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.play flobots mayday
anon
>>457662
she was a cool bioscientist though I wanna talk w her she would kno cool stuff n have cool science stories I hope she’s doing well :/
pandobra
you can pay for like text to speech in certain streams yea
>>457854
0.1184% bloober!boymodewng
>>457852
#ksay you can pay for like text to speech in certain streams yea
>>457858
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been taking some time away from watching/being part of a smol stream i used to watch every night n chat/share stuff w
anon
.play squish that cat
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met some cool peeps there, one is in uni for holocaust studies
>>457864
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and just fleed to mexico
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fled*
anon
>>457861
thats a major? what do you do at the end? go to auschwitz?
>>457866
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is part of smth i forget the whole thing
anon
>>457864
Thwre actually is genocide studies minors alot of places, my suspicion is that it is just a way to go to law scjool
>>457873
anon
>>457686
well because they’re real and saying something rather than specifically not saying things
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i forget what the like name of their major is but theyre focused on that
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yeah
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is not in their case p sure, thankfully
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guh
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think theyre also trans
anon
>>457866
yeah minor makes more sense
anon
Biden... he has prostate cancer....
anon
they zapped his butthole.... :(
anon
>>457736
even if you have the perfect person eventually they have the wrong ideas for that situation, maybe an immortal who chose good mortal leaders would be ok if they specialized in only finding competent ppl not policy itself but doubt it
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oh wow
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i just learned abt that
anon
I am Biden's strongest defender, his most loyal soldier.... he's dying....
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the precedent biden set by pre-pardoning people is wack
anon
nah nah, I don't wanna hear SHIT about the pre-pardoning when Trump ran on throwing random people in prison for investigatinf Jan 6th and is CURRENTLY DISCUSSING IGNORING THE PARDONS
anon
thats no precedent, everyone does that
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im not saying anything abt trump
0.1185% bloober!boymodewng
pre-pardoning people is fine lol
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im saying that it allows for things to be done by trump as well
>>457887
anon
>>457886
Trump literally got a get out jail free via "qualified immmunity" whatever precedent you are seeing got blown the fuck out when the SCOTUS decided the president could attempt a coup and be okay because that's just what chill presidents do
0.1186% bloober!boymodewng
yeah they could always do that
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like
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trump will do whatever tf he wants
0.1187% bloober!boymodewng
didn't the pardon nixon and he wasn't charged with anything
>>457895
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but
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its still an overreach of power, he shouldve done smth to actually help ppl at the end fully
0.1188% bloober!boymodewng
yeah nixon was literally pardoned and he was never charged with anything
anon
>>457891
nah, they were after him big time. it just happened before they filed
>>457898
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like
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biden couldve used the supreme court decision making them practically kings to his advantage to act before anything
>>457899
0.1189% bloober!boymodewng
>>457895
it doesn't matter for the point saeki is making like pre-pardoning is a thing the president can do and has always been able to do
>>457901
anon
>>457897
he could have, but Biden is a saint.
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the dems did not plan for anything
>>457903
anon
>>457900
my one complaint about Biden well I have a few but the main one was that he actually cared about trying to maintain some kind of bipartisanship
anon
>>457902
the president has almost unlimited powers because it doesnt make too much sense for them not too
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yeah he reaches across the aisle
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also look at his past w the crime and bussing bills
anon
I think reaching across the aisle works if you aren't dealing with maniacs, Biden was dealing with maniacs
anon
Biden was bad for putting kids in concentration camps, bombing people and maintaining the American system in general
>>457915>>457918
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yeah
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man
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i cant even go into the immigrant and asylum camps
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can link good info on that but its an absolutely like
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its horrific
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not as much as the actions being done to send ppl to concentration camps now but yk
anon
>>457908
Hey, I would have liked him to shut down the ICE facilities, but I have a suspicion there werr certain policies implemented to just make that unfeasible
>>457921
anon
nah everythings going to be okizay
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if he didnt do the lets fund the police even more thing as well
>>457920
0.1191% bloober!boymodewng
>>457908
phew thank god he's out now right and all of that stuff is done
>>457921
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if the police reduced crime we would have the lowest crime rate on earth
anon
>>457917
Police reform is expensive, that's how it is.
0.1192% bloober!boymodewng
well hopefully the epople who were heavily protesting against biden are out protesting against trump
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no, he didnt do reform
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the police unions block that from happening
anon
>>457921
I think trying to create a larger system for processing asylum seekers would have helped substantially but that got merc'd by Trump's sycophants. Again, I would have loved if he shut down the ICE facilities cause I am pro-immigration, but there were likely many unfortunate realities impeding that
0.1193% bloober!boymodewng
it would be crazy if they just didn't do anything for someone who is apparently worse
>>457927
0.1194% bloober!boymodewng
are they tho?
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really?
anon
Yes, many people have been protesting Trump
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or is it like significantly less than protested joe biden
0.1197% bloober!boymodewng
isn't it weird how kamala couldn't do a speech without people protesting him but trump hasn't been interrupted once
>>457939>>457938
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no
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not at all
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cities are having their largest gathering since obama rallies
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like its kind of impotent but its connecting people
anon
>>457772
how so? I think he was wrong in the direction he went but I like how he got down to the level of desire itself
anon
>>457932
I do think protesting is kinda useless tbf
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>>457940
there was a tour called the "unfuck america tour" that got blown up because they owner apparnetly did "microagressions" and i am extemly white so maybe i just don't understand but i literaly couldn't figure out what microagressions they were talking about
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anon
>>457942
Oh my fucking god do not remind me I swear to god I felt myself becoming 80% liberal when I learned about how it got fucked and was this close to imbuing myself with the spirit of the dixiecrats
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>>457942
i mean theres good things to talk abt on that front but its not the main actions happening rn or smth that should be the key focus of change
anon
I just hope the American government is overthrown man it needs to go
>>457948
anon
>>457942
yeah no the microaggressions in question was iirc somebody saying "I think the Dems are pretty good" while someone else was tlaking or something along those lines, that shit where lefties shred each other because only lefties listen to them needs to fucking end
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also focusing on it isnt worthwhile for ppl who care abt actually focusing on movements changing things
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>>457945
and replaced with what lol
0.1200% bloober!boymodewng
you should love trump if that's your take
>>457951
anon
Trumpoids don't exactly want to overthrow the American government but uh
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>>457949
no, thats not what they mean lol
anon
Anarchy yada yada
anon
>>457940
look, all I am saying is it makes me a little bit very fucking livid when pro-pally people and such protest the people that are most pro-pally out of the available politicians because they know they won't get thrown out for it. Like nah go attack the worst of the worst and work from there
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0.1201% bloober!boymodewng
oh you're an anarchist lol
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>>457953
you still cant just let the people who want power get away with breaking their promises or moving to the right on issues as we saw w kamala, i wouldve been worlds happier if ppl couldve like
>>457959>>457960
anon
god I really fucking hope these people have a future
anon
>>457957
I get it, but as of this moment we have a government that is not just doing the classic israeli shuffle but is actively pushing the israelis TO genocide the palestinians
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>>457957
and that thought process really worked out! now gaza is going to be actaully leveled
>>457965
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its a smalllll group
anon
>>457953
That's fair, protesting is just useless man
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there is a group who like
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did view things like that or do such but its a smaller group who dont have much of an effect electorally
anon
>>457960
The problem is there is no way to stop what's going on in Gaza through the American political system
0.1203% bloober!boymodewng
i mean full honesty there's no way to stop what's going on in Gaza period lol so many people have tried
>>457973
rose
i think i have like dysphoria about not being a boy, which is very weird to think about
>>457971
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hai rose
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i think i can get that
0.1204% bloober!boymodewng
palestians will not accept anything less than the entire destruction ofisreal and isrreal will not accept anything less than literlaly genociding all of the palestinans fuck it i can't spell
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anon
>>457966
>tfw the intractable conflict is intractable
rose
haiii saeki
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>>457972
even if you think this, you still should recognize we should be forcing aid through with the amt of children there
>>457978
rose
>>457971
maybe.. but idk
its a specific genre of boy i guess
like i wouldnt be that if i hadnt transitioned, i think transitioning brought me a little closer to being it but im still not it
anon
>>457972
I just think all governments need to go just in general it's a whole thing
anon
>>457975
We should be throttling aid to Israel unless they play ball, among other things. In the field of options we had, we got the most aggressively pro-Zionist US Prez possible
>>457980
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and recognize which side is bringing this destruction in the current time
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>>457978
yeah, sadly trump paid them off and then let them yk
0.1205% bloober!boymodewng
i think we should just drop all money period and tell em to figure it out
>>457984
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continue now
anon
We can't do that because muh two-party system and le democracy aaaa
anon
>>457981
well when we did that in the 70's with Kissinger, the Israelis basically said "we aren't supposed to have nukes, but if we did, we'd have a strike first policy if we were under existential threat"
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i dont have the energy to argue against such apathetic doomer feels
>>457988
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-w-
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it does not end well.
0.1206% bloober!boymodewng
isreal is not going to nuke the location that's like directly next to them
>>457992
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and we will bear the cost down the line
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(not in response to anon)
anon
>>457989
They certainl said that to Kissinger, I doubt Israel would *have to* because they are the dominant military power in the region america or not
anon
good yeah I would want to like hide suicide pills in my body or something
0.1207% bloober!boymodewng
idk just reform the ottomon empire at this point they were the only ones who managed to solve the middle east for a bit
>>457998
anon
I just wanna tear it all down lol
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>>457998
what do you want me to say i literally do not see any solution to this conflict
>>458001
anon
>>458000
The TRVTH that we need TRVMP GVZV
anon
The Gazan Riviera VGJ
0.1209% bloober!boymodewng
make turkey take responsibility for fixing it we gotta
>>458006
anon
The solution is to overthrow fucking everything trvke
>>458008
anon
>>458003
I think sadly the intractable conflict is intractable
anon
yeah I don’t know what I can fucking do it’s fucked I’m just watching this
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=
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but there are actions that could be taken to slow the speed and danger of the conflict, though the US is preventing many of these from being taken
0.1212% bloober!boymodewng
pretty sure isreal is gonna do a speed run for the next 3 years while trump is still in power
>>458013
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its sadly likely unless some other state steps in or the leaders get captured in some other country for violations
anon
I remember Trump was oddly more honest about Israel
I remember that debate where Biden said "no one wants to continue this conflict except Hamas" and Trump was like "actually Israel wants to continue it and you should let them"
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anon
Idk i'm so blackpilled lel
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i have to avoid being so and recognize there is opportunity for change but sadly ppl in power will corrupt and hold that from happening unless ppl do shit
>>458023
anon
I am pretty blackpilled on the entire middle east god can we end our fossil fuel reliance already so we can GTFO out of that god forsaken place
>>458028
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even on smaller scales that can grow into smth bigger
anon
>>458019
That's good because blackpill thought is genuinely dangerous imo although I find it hard to not be consumed by it.
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yeah
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id uhh
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lemme link u smth
anon
Blackpill thought generally leads to lone wolf terrorism and not much else
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>>458020
i'm pretty sure even if that happened we would still be involved in the middle east
>>458033
0.1215% bloober!boymodewng
too big of a region
anon
>>458027
yeah I fantasize about that even though it would change little, and no one would replace me
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is also by an anarchist
anon
>>458028
I wish to leave that place.
anon
but does anarchism ever succeed? it’s just holding back the very worst of human oppression and evil which is actually really good but depressing that the fighters have shitty lives and a good society never seems to grow and thrive
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lel
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ill rewatch in a while probs
she has some aaa music mixing cus she was still learning but is still listenable
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>>458034
>does anarchism ever succeed
lol
anon
>>458034
>does anarchism ever succeed
what does that even mean tbh
anon
like does a strong society which respects and takes care of people ever emerge and prevent abusive people from being successful and happy and have a good happy role for people like me to contribute, and not fall after some period, and have growing numbers and power and a path to consuming the world
>>458047
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we see anarchist regions like with the zapatistas that have existed for 30 yrs
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and egalitarian attempts like in rojava despite its flaws
anon
>>458042
This is true but also
Anarchy isn't a political program, it's a living breathing practice
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yeah
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i just mean for ppl to look into cus plenty of ppl dont know abt the current and historic projects like those and ie more wll known spain and ukraine
anon
>>458042
but they don’t have growing economies and power and numbers and educational ability where they’re going to expand out. it’s like palliative care- really freaking important but if all your doctor can do is make your death less bad you need a different doctor
>>458051
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my issue is mainly with the idea of power
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and putting it into the hands of a smaller group that wont represent the people
anon
>>458048
The answer to your question is no because that's not what anarchy is
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and it is possible to have those things, its just been repressed in many places and i believe there have been times where there has been a large amt of progress in the education systems or such they have
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economy tho is a whole other thing i dont wanna dive into as it as an idea is smth that has to kinda be deconstructed and viewed from other perspectives in such ideas
anon
Yeah, "the economy" is gay
>>458056
anon
and not in a good way
anon
>>458054
without more and better missiles than others you can’t do anything, and without fancier medicine and TVs, your people get depressed and leave
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>>458056
i mean it has nothing to do with missles lol, even the soviets had to deal with the economy.
>>458079
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but also, in terms of tactics and weapons, the ukrainian anarchists invented the method of using mounted machine guns on horses that turned into trucks nowadays, and other methods have been invented by these movements
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the whole we need missiles thing to not die is uh
anon
yeah a lotta them were very capable but you need missiles at some point
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smth
anon
>>458056
>and without fancier medicine and TVs, your people get depressed and leave
Not necessarily, there are many groups and ethnicities who live without and prefer to live without these things.
Again, anarchy isn't a political program.
>>458081
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heh
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im rewatching the vid and
0.1218% bloober!boymodewng
so your pitch is "you will live a crappy life with less important things and probably have less education and also less ability to better yourself but it will be FAIR"
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got reminded of, by it, the story of lyudmila pavlichenko
>>458106
anon
and it’s like all these capable empathetic left wing groups who didn’t have huge military industries just got killed and only a few children of their killers try to replace them and generally can’t win every generation
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i think she was the ukrainian sniper who killed the most nazis in ww2
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i forget specifically
anon
>>458073
Not really, I'm not trying to build an "anarchist civilization"
anon
anything that works has to create a more powerful civilization than rivals or it gets stomped eventually
>>458076
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>>458075
depends
0.1221% bloober!boymodewng
like theoretically anarchism could work as a collection of really tiny states that can band together to deal with an outside threat. But in practice it would be destroyed by infighting almost immediately
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yeah i usually identify w using confederation for such stuff as it can help you have a group that can protect a large group
anon
>>458057
it’s both, I think there were left wing groups w good standard of living and no missiles who got couped and tortured or invaded n tortured n then died
anon
>>458066
Also I would turn this around and ask you what those groups of people who don't participate in industrial society should do in the face of deforestation and urbanization and so on.
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anon
>>458062
and these groups are constantly getting betrayed by those within them who do want these things
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>>458080
well i mean if you refuse to participate in the politcal system then your voice and your concerns will go unheard
>>458083
anon
>>458082
Exactly.
And perhaps the "civilized" people deserve a lower standard of living, who could say
>>458088
anon
>>458066
yep. the solution HAS to have a more powerful thing it can’t just be self sacrifice of short term happiness without building long term power
>>458097
lain from computers
saeki
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haiiii
lain from computers
hi hell o hi
did u see the new benn jordan
>>458089
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>>458083
i would disagree with "civlized" vs "uncivilized" there's not one right way to live, but there will be competing interests in any group of people
>>458096
anon
I really hope we can get out using technology
>>458095
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im glad he did a vid on the laser techniques again,
lain from computers
cool thats all its very neat
anon
like if we zap people to induce pleasure and pain which others feeel maybe we can get a stable fair huge powerful society
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i read the papers on keyboard stuff using lasers when they came out
lain from computers
>>458090
until the people who control the manufacture and research into new tech
we're goign to use it to run our entire species intot he ground forever
>>458099
anon
>>458088
I mean you're inherently favouring industrialized society when you say it's bad that there would be less TVs and whatnot
>>458098
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>>458096
i'm not talking about TVs i'm talking about modern medicine and education
>>458101
lain from computers
>>458095
#edit into new tech -> into new tech die off
anon
if we can make everyone have each others memories we’re good but that’s so far off and idk what can be done now other than like drug injectors and somehow hope that brings ppl together which I’m not so confident in
>>458108
anon
>>458098
I mean sure those too.
But maybe those things have huger consequences than we think about. This is just a thought experiment on my part though
0.1226% bloober!boymodewng
i'm not saying there's one right way to live, but obviously I will be biased to the befits of living in the modern world with modern amenities.
>>458105
anon
>>458102
This is why I'm against democracy, it favours the will of the "people" or majority
>>458109
0.1227% bloober!boymodewng
wouldn't that be the same with anarchy? or are you just a pure might makes right kinda person
>>458110
anon
>>458105
supposedly you’ll have to temper it with rights and that’s the conventional wisdom- general direction from democracy but protecting minorities
anon
>>458107
I'm not a might makes right kind of person, I prefer cooperation with the people around me.
anon
>>458108
it’s the only truly stable way to make people fair that I see which isn’t just crippling them all so they can’t hurt each other ie small government/anprims
>>458116
0.1228% bloober!boymodewng
so democracy
>>458113
anon
>>458112
No, democracy is the rule of the majority, it's a specific form of "rule"
anon
I'm a costco guy, of course I eat a chicken bake while I shop
0.1229% bloober!boymodewng
i think we're using different definitions of words
>>458118
lain from computers
>>458111
your idea is incredibly schizophrenic and i very much agree
>>458119
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lol
anon
>>458115
Well the rule of the people is what people mean when they say democracy, but there's always gonna be force involved in political decisions
anon
>>458116
the question is- if it’s the correct theory, why can’t I implement small parts now and scale up, in theory talking to others n zapping myself to feel the same things sometimes would be good but I have a meh feeling. I still gotta try it. current headsets can detect emotion ok and drug injectors can be programmed, but still…
>>458128
0.1230% bloober!boymodewng
right but cooperating with people is the same as democracy
0.1231% bloober!boymodewng
unless you just mean consensus rule
>>458125
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i could go into the way that thatll birth the same issues
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which is imo objectively not the best, but if it makes you happy
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but recommend looking into the idea of local community councils that have the ability to listen to the most vulnerable people
>>458130
anon
>>458121
I believe in free association generally.
0.1233% bloober!boymodewng
right but what happens if you need to make a decision involving other people
>>458129
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and how a community can have the solidarity to advocate for the minority in their community
lain from computers
>>458119
it's genuinely just the problem of working with a blackbox system
arguably in our current state it would be a disaster if someone finally figured out a 'universal standard' of how nervous systems worked that could enable something as granular as specific memories
>>458149
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lol
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ur just making me think of stirner
>>458155
anon
>>458131
it's okay lib bro, one day they will see the light
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idk if i'm a lib necessarily
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id also recommend looking into maybe platformism w the relation to what ur talking on
0.1236% bloober!boymodewng
i think that having a dictator that was smart and poggers would be very cool. I just don't think it will ever happen
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anon
>>458131
I also don't believe in "community" so that might be an issue that causes confusion here idk
0.1237% bloober!boymodewng
not really. Like unironically if you had a really good and smart king or queen they are 200% more effective than any elected representative. It's just you have to deal with the really dumb ones
>>458147
anon
we have never passed 20% liberalism, people just get tired of the prosperity at like 18%
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>>458140
i cant even try and respond to the dictator comment
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no president, no king, no leader is going to be able to be free of abuses and corruption in the real world when given that much power
anon
>>458141
yeah, then you enter questions like how are they selected and what are their incentives etc
>>458151
anon
>>458128
yeah. we need to pair having the same emotions I think with having the same complex ideas and memories behind them. otherwise it’s not actually making ppl organized. an epidemiologist needs to be able to put his understanding of the problems of a disease into ppls heads and the antivaxwrs need to put how oppressed n scared they feel into others heads so everyone helps each other with their problems in effective ways out of desire not power
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>>458147
listen obviously by blood
0.1240% bloober!boymodewng
i've been playing a lot of crusader kings 3 lately
>>458153
anon
>marries sibling
anon
>>458133
stirner is based though even tho he was just engels trolling marx
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>>458145
i mean look at frick what's his name whos the germany guy bismark, look at bismark, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did which objectively beenfited the people of germany a lot without the significant power that he had for himself. However the flip side was the hitler also used that power to do some bad stuff.
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>>458157
I don't believe in capitalism, I don't believe in hierarchy, I don't believe in community, I don't believe in the economy, I don't believe in civilization, I don't believe in democracy, I don't believe in nation states, I don't believe in any of that bullshit
>>458169
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one example isnt going to break the rule
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>>458149
tech nightmare people are trying to implement this with LLMs
likely because they believe people / humanity is too flawed for this
>>458186
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the people at the bottom are still going to suffer immensely sigh
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>>458161
the people at the bottom benefited greatly???? like germany unifying increased the standard of living significantly???
>>458164
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but saying this allows for those who are opportunists to be able to also get the power when ppl think that
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>>458163
yeah that's why i brought up the fact that Hitler used the same powerrs to do what he did
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>>458164
Rip Bozo
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>>458149
the normal means of sharing stories and information has been hijacked by the individualist projects across xyz political uh 'groups'
we didn't used to need such a brute force application
this used to be the natural order of things honestly
>>458205
anon
I will even drink milk from your mum's tiddies
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bayzed
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>>458157
any big improvement in society comes at the cost of mass abuses of those harmed. we need a system which is smart about these and avoids the worst of it for now, and eventually to move to a system where people, feeling what others do, are happy to give their lives for the majority, like if you were a small independent farmer and could feel and understand the efficiency of industrialized agriculture, and actually give up your farm and feel good at all the better fed people. that kind of situation is the key problem of civilization imo.
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>>458169
this has been resolved and discussed for over a century and a half now
there have been societies that worked and fought against capitalism and hierarchy yet still had all the things the people needed, and ways to create and run factories while still avoiding yk.
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can you name some so i can look at them
anon
I'm a pure "lifestyleist" as the Bookchinites like to call them so I won't have great answers to all these things but I think Saekai knows what she's talking about
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>>458173
we shouild just birth a Ceasar and revive rome simple as
>>458218
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im not a bookchinite or whatevs but try to find ideas that i can through diff theory
>>458180
anon
>>458179
No I'm just saying that's what Bookchinites call them and whatnot, not that you're a Bookchinite
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and yeah ik
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its a similar thing to the way marxists name and call certain groups of ppl and ideas
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tho ur ideas on democracy remind me of
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lemme find it
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>>458173
i feel like this is a common thought in a lot of leftist circles and it's weird. Like the idea that if you just explain everything enough then people will like always agree with you.

I'm not saying it's you, but I know a lot of marxists essentially follow the idea of "marxism is so natural and people want to do it, they just haven't had the ideas of it explained to them good enough"
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>>458160
my friend is hoping we can use FNIRS headbands to feed emotion up to a LLM and have it feed tasks and pleasure/pain down. honestly maybe that’s the best idea til we can do emotion transfer. I should probably try it in my own life, have a LLM plan my days and have my friends give input about how they’re doing and feel about me, and then have it try to move things towards all of us being better off. the problem is how the hell do I know it will actually move things where they need to be
>>458199
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i think the analysis of capitalism can be useful but the use of it to go ahead and write off any abuses in order to change things ugh, tho thats more towards the ML/tankie side
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>>458187
50/50 on them
anon
>>458157
literally willy 2 used that power to throw germany into massive conflict
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>>458190
yeah sometimes you win some sometimes you lose some
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it all balances out in the end
>>458193
anon
>>458192
idk you can't afford win some lose some anymore, you need to try to tie as much as we can
>>458197
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>>458187
heres the vid i was thinking of,
its a useful thing to keep in mind even for ppl who want broadly democratic systems
[YouTube]
anon
Also I wanna rant about Bookchin for a second because he lives rent free in my head.
Bookchin is super influential in anarchist circles but he's a radical democrat which leads to authoritarian ideas on his part.
Like he believes in small community councils but he said in one of his works that in order to leave the larger federation of communities you would have to get clearance from the rest of the community
This is very authoritarian imol
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>>458193
listen not all of the kings kids are gonna be 10/10s yano, but one of them eventually will be
>>458213
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(he's an anarchist who's an ex ML who critiques the revisionism and ideas now generally)
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>>458186
i am fascinated by this idea and it feels
i don't know , hostile
do you have any elaborations / technical plans for this? anything your friend mentioned
>>458224
anon
>>458163
and denying it allows those who could be helped by unifying power structures to suffer on :/
>>458203
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>in order to leave the larger federation of communities
i mean this is just practical
>>458208
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imagine you build critical infrastucture with the consent of people and they just decide to leave? like bruh
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>>458200
ithink we need communities to have unity and recognize how they have something to oppose and intersectional issues, but dont think the answer to that is centralizing power and letting a small group control things and decide things for them is all
anon
read combat liberalism by mao
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anon
>>458168
it did yeah and that’s what makes me lose faith in it even though it’s super super important which leaves me somewhat ungrounded
>>458221
anon
china is curbstomping the us so mao is based
>>458210
anon
>>458201
I mean that's the big thing with anarchism I guess
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it just doesn't seem functional
anon
>>458207
I mean true but Mao is still retarded even if he is based
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atp you should just not have a larger community
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which is fine btw
>>458216
anon
>>458197
and the issue is that we have nuclear weapons. It's more important to get consistent competence than occasionallu reallu good ones
>>458215
anon
king of based retards actually saving the world
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>>458213
ok whatever we nuke france by accident so what
>>458217
anon
>>458212
That's why I'm not really focused on le revolution and le building a new society I just focus on my own life mostly and living "anarchistically", the politics of it is too complicated, I'm sure it could work but it's really complicated.
>>458220
anon
>>458178
still fell :/ even if better for everyone we need a way to work towards everyone sacrificing for a sustainable and growing system while not getting oppressed and still feeling ok/good
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i try and put more focus on the helping and working with people around you, providing resources and support rather than trying to at this minute be trying to create some new society, though building things in the shells of the old is also useful when possible
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>>458216
yeah i mean in order to have stability you have to sacrfice autonomy, if you're unwilling to sacrfice autonomy I would argue it's impossible to have stability. Which is fine, people lived like that for hundreds of thousands of years. It just doesn't work at scale IMO.
anon
>>458219
This is also applicable through so called "lifestyle" anarchism
anon
I hate to use that term but I can't think of a better term
anon
>>458199
well it’s the death of the mind and any individual power. that’s a very very scary thing but also individual power is why we’re in this situation in the first place
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i just dont find using lifestylism or such as a term too useful because i believe anarchism is inherently a way of life n all, though w anarchism theres always a diversity of opinions so it can be useful as a descriptor depending on diff things

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