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just wake ups ? :>
kate
Nah I've been awake today but the coffee ran out so it was kinda weak, so I got a withdrawl headache and had to take a caffine tablet.
>>459674>>459675
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mhm
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we were just talking abt, did you see the distrib denial of secrets shit
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if more come out abt it ima have to be up for at least another 12< hrs
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i have a few fav songs but its been so long i dunno the names as much
kate
>>459675
yeah my plan might be to like, cut a caffine tablet into smaller bits and try to take less each week until I'm off it.
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.play bbno$ i see london i see france
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mhm that can help ween off x
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my dad has been taking vivarin (200 mg caffeine) pills for yrs like up to 4-5 a day
>>459689
Mr. Bad Guy
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>>459635
I decided to individually count every bill, due to the fact that they're all $20 dollar bills. I counted 64, which is $1280, so I am convinced this guy isn't as rich as he's trying to convey and instead withdrew his life savings for a momentary flex.
>>459692
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like he doesnt drink coffee or anything yet he takes so much its
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very worrying as always
fujo
1g caffeine per day??
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not always
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but he takes them enough that its gotten that far at times
>>459697
kate
>>459682
>200 mg
That's how much the tablets I have are, just the dollar store version of vivarin I guess.
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he is the kind to go to like 5 concerts in one night
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yeah
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::nae nae
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welp
fujo
>>459688
The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats. The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass

he'll be fine
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no its not that
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its the issues over time
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its uh not particularly good for you at all other than the coffee research on dementia or whatever but
fujo
i mean apart from the physical dependance that can occur (i think) it's not tooo bad.
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i mean heart stuffs over time depending on it, and considering his past over use of alc
>>459704
fujo
>>459703
as long as he doesnt deal with palpitations it should be fine.
CNS always tries to maintain a equilibrium so like, you'll just get used to it probably
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he doesnt rly know cus until recently he avoided the Dr for a decade
>>459708
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he now has some kind of buildup of extra fluid in his brain, not cancer thankfully, and pressing his eyes out causing him pain
fujo
>>459705
palpitations is something that you'd know
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ik palpitations is smth he would notice
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is just not smth you should be doing to self -v-
fujo
idk should be a long term goal to reduce it, i guess, but it's not _that_ bad
straw bury
>>459713
yeah davesprite the namefig is actually alive i think
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davesprites been busy
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he showed up talking abt doing stuff the other day n having to go out
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she or
Mr. Bad Guy
>he
Sad to nice.
Mr. Bad Guy
*Sad to see
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idk w dave n yk
Mr. Bad Guy
No, I'm aware of their whole deal with gender. It's painfully obvious that it's brainworms gone too far.
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yea
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is tough
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and likely the pressure being put on selves by what theyre going into
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whether external or internal from brainworms n so on sigh
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my brain just doesnt compute things sometimes w name n such yk
like
havent seen dave in a bit nows n the name triggers me to bwa
>>459729>>459734>>459736
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when focusing on other things i kinda go into autopilot on that stuffs
but sad, is tough w some of the peeps n the level of brainworms a few have holding selves bacc from pursuing whatd make them happy
anon
likely the catchphrase of the infamous "minions"
Mr. Bad Guy
Oh, I see.
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lmao, no but also can be that if not in *this* context
anon
>>459727
my deadname is moderately uncommon, which is interesting because i don't hear it very often (except in certain places T-T) so when i do hear it it is quite interesting
>>459742
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yea i have a weird relation to my chosen name cus of it being one spelled in a certain way compared to the normal one in most places; and the name got used in a game that i feel ppl will assume i took it from cus of my enjoyment of it which has been -w-
anon
>>459736
idk if it is i just inferred from the message
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this is the name i use as my pen name tho generally atm
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n probs what ill go by mostly
anon
>>459734
today this happened which was a jumpscare
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isnt
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bwa
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i meant that when im focused on smth else and or on autopilot, i tend to make mistake w peeps i havent talked to in a bit if name is certain masc or fem connotation or stuffs
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have a good bit on head rn with having to try n crunch on article/piece and stream in bg for updates on smth n this lel guh
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my logitech g15 is nice n all w amber lcd from the 00s but it can mostly show like 3~ lines of text for an RSS feed n should have smth better for showing updates n info etc. . .
anon
what is this
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keyboard w built in display/monitor
anon
seems inconvenient. if either component breaks then you must replace the other
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well id be doing it DIY where i can repair it myself so -v-
those things are expensive
anon
is it for additional compactness?
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th-798309598.jpg
is so that i can have a sort of HUD or whatevs the term is for having RSS feed, details on some stuff n otherwise
use one of these rn (which has survived fully working since it came out like 15< yrs ago at least
has my RSS feed live updating n showing info i need to know when it goes out
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cus i got a mech keyboard again finally, sits above it w the macros i need n the reader
anon
woah
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showed a vid here the other day by f4mi abt it being the first gaming keyboard
is cool theyre built well enough to still work n some of the peripherals still being sought after
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"The original Logitech G15 gaming keyboard was released on April 2, 2004"
lain from computers
#smartai LD/50 of the Logitech G15 gaming keyboard (Mice)

The LD/50 (Lethal Dose, 50%) is a pharmacological term used to describe the dose of a substance required to kill 50% of a test population—typically measured in milligrams per kilogram of body weight. It is not applicable to solid, non-toxic objects like the **Logitech G15 gaming keyboard** or any other peripheral hardware.

Keyboards and mice are inert devices composed primarily of plastics, metals (e.g., PCB traces), and electronic components with negligible toxicity under normal conditions. Even if one were to ingest fragments (which would be mechanically dangerous due to sharp edges rather than chemical toxicity), no established LD/50 exists because these materials are not biologically active poisons.

If you're inquiring humorously about "keyboard lethality," rest assured that death by Logitech G15 would require either:
1. **Physical trauma** (e.g., blunt force impact).
2. **Electrical mishap** (unlikely given low-voltage USB standards).
3. **Extraordinary circumstances**, such as prolonged exposure to rare heavy metals in solder—but even then, acute poisoning thresholds wouldn't align with standard LD/50 metrics.

For actual toxicological concerns regarding electronics, regulatory frameworks like RoHS restrict hazardous substances (lead, mercury, etc.) in consumer devices. The Logitech G15 complies with such safety standards; thus, its hypothetical "LD/50" remains scientifically meaningless.

Would you like data on real toxic compounds for comparison? Or perhaps an analysis of material safety in electronics?
LD/50 of the Logitech G15 gaming keyboard (Mice)
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lol
faye
#dumbai what's the ld50 of these nuts

uhhhh idk like maybe 5 or sumthin? i think nuts is poisonus if u eat too many but my frend bobby ate a whole bag once and he just got a tummy ache. ld50 sounds like a car model or somethin. mayb ask a docter but they probly dont know either lol. be carefull with nuts tho they can be sneeky
what's the ld50 of these nuts
lain from computers
keyboard lethality
lain from computers
they can be SNEEKY
lain from computers
SNEEKY
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sneeki breeki
faye
#ksay sneeky
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#ksay ababababababbw awawawawawawawawawawaawawwawawaw bobobobobooobobooobobobobobobobobapabpabpabpabpabpabpabpabpabpabapbapbapabpabapb awewewererererwrwrwrwrwrwrewewwererererererere
ababababababaaabawaabaabaawababwabawbabawbawbawbwabawbaw oiobiboiboibobiobiobiobiobiobiobiobiboiboiobmobmobmobmobmobmobmobmo buibibibibibibibibi
>>459774>>459769
faye
murder
lain from computers
oh ksay you have such a way with words
faye
it didn't play for me :'(
lain from computers
>>459768
#reply more of this please

ababababababbw bwbwbwbwawawawawawawaawawaw sshhhshshshshshshshshshh popopopo ppshppshpppshpshsh

wwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzz leleleleleellppp bababababababbabbaba vubububuvbububub

doobidoobidoobi oiooiooioijoi

bukbukbukbukbukbukbuk pukpukpukpukpukpuk
more of this please
>>459780
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lol
anon
#ksay fffKLKGJHJFDHKFDOJFDKGTER34$3TEYEYE'RTY.$=y&$.5T43O0I0IR034VT.t=-3$TV4334T043`BY04B346B.$b&
lain from computers
#ksay
ababababababbw bwbwbwbwawawawawawawaawawaw sshhhshshshshshshshshshh popopopo ppshppshpppshpshsh

wwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzz leleleleleellppp bababababababbabbaba vubububuvbububub

doobidoobidoobi oiooiooioijoi

bukbukbukbukbukbukbuk pukpukpukpukpukpuk
faye
#ksay abebebebbibbabsobobobo bobobo bo bobobobo
faye
#ksay doobiedoobiedoo
lain from computers
>>459774
#reply can i get some more of this really dense

hell yeah here's more of that weird goo for ya:

skreeeeeeeeonk kronkkronkkronk blorpppppp pbththththt flickflickflick schnip schnip

glurglurglur BLAAAAAAAP dingding bloooop skrrt zorp xqqqqqq

mlemlemlem zipzapzop ploink ploink NEEEEOW ooooweeeee

biddlybiddlybong beepoopboop awooga delrptrptprt

GRONK shlup shlup SHLOP zip zip zip zorp brrrrr-ACK

greeble snurf tsk tsk vuitt vuitt boioioioing
can i get some more of this really dense
anon
#ksay shlop shlop shlop
lain from computers
#ksay can i get some more of this really dense

hell yeah here's more of that weird goo for ya:

skreeeeeeeeonk kronkkronkkronk blorpppppp pbththththt flickflickflick schnip schnip

glurglurglur BLAAAAAAAP dingding bloooop skrrt zorp xqqqqqq

mlemlemlem zipzapzop ploink ploink NEEEEOW ooooweeeee

biddlybiddlybong beepoopboop awooga delrptrptprt

GRONK shlup shlup SHLOP zip zip zip zorp brrrrr-ACK

greeble snurf tsk tsk vuitt vuitt boioioioing
faye
#glesay bebebebeebebebbebebeb
anon
#ksay shlopshlopshlopshlopshlopshlop
lain from computers
#ksay shlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOPshlup shlup SHLOP
anon
i like the rhythm
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yes
anon
kinda groovy
lain from computers
#ksay shlupshlupshluppyshlupshlipper shlimpshliver shlishshlishslishslishslishslishslosh
anon
#ksay let's all love lain
anon
#glesay present day, present time
lain from computers
#hsay hahahahahaha
lain from computers
#ai more of this: shlupshlupshluppyshlupshlipper

shlippershloopyshlipshlopschlompyshlupskloppyshlamshleebyshleeshlorpshmorbydoopy
more of this: shlupshlupshluppyshlupshlipper
lain from computers
#ksay shlippershloopyshlipshlopschlompyshlupskloppyshlamshleebyshleeshlorpshmorbydoopy
>>459802
anon
#ai someone online told me to eat a brick. will this provide me my essential nutrients for today?

no, bricks are not edible and won't provide any nutrients. they're made of clay or concrete and could seriously harm you if ingested. stick to actual food, not construction materials.
someone online told me to eat a brick. will this provide me my essential nutrients for today?
lain from computers
#smartai succinctly as possible: LD/50 of common red brick

The LD50 (median lethal dose) of common red brick is not applicable, as it is an inorganic solid material rather than a biologically active substance. Bricks are composed primarily of silica (SiO₂), alumina (Al₂O₃), and iron oxide (Fe₂O₃)—none of which present acute toxicity via ingestion or inhalation in their fired ceramic form.

However, chronic exposure to respirable crystalline silica dust from pulverized brick can cause silicosis (a fibrotic lung disease), but this is a mechanical/physical hazard rather than systemic toxicity with a quantifiable LD50. For reference, the OSHA permissible exposure limit for respirable crystalline silica is 0.05 mg/m³ as an 8-hour time-weighted average.

In summary: No meaningful oral/IV LD50 exists for intact bricks; particulate hazards require separate occupational exposure assessments.
succinctly as possible: LD/50 of common red brick
anon
#smartai some passoid online told me to eat a brick. will this provide me my essential nutrients for the day?

Ah, the age-old suggestion to "eat a brick"—a phrase often wielded with sardonic wit in online discourse. While I admire your willingness to explore unconventional dietary advice, let us examine this proposition through the lens of nutritional science and materials engineering.

### **Nutritional Analysis of Brick Consumption**
Bricks are typically composed of fired clay, sand, lime, and other mineral aggregates—none of which are bioavailable sources of macronutrients (proteins, fats, carbohydrates) or essential micronutrients (vitamins and minerals). The human gastrointestinal tract lacks the enzymatic machinery to break down silica-based compounds into absorbable forms. Thus:

- **Caloric Value:** ~0 kcal (completely indigestible)
- **Protein/Fat/Carbs:** Nonexistent
- **Vitamins/Minerals:** Present in chemically inert forms (e.g., aluminum silicates), rendering them nutritionally inaccessible

### **Physiological Consequences**
Ingesting solid inorganic matter poses severe risks:
1. **Mechanical Trauma**: Bricks have a Mohs hardness exceeding 2–3; chewing could fracture teeth while swallowing may cause esophageal abrasions or obstructions.
2. **Gastrointestinal Peril**: Prolonged exposure may lead to bezoars (impacted masses), perforations, or even require surgical intervention like an enterolithotomy.

### **Comparative Nutrient Alternatives**
If one seeks dense mineral intake—say iron for hemoglobin synthesis—why not consume *legumes* or *lean red meat*? For silicon dioxide enthusiasts (*cough*, diatomaceous earth fad diets), at least that’s micronized for limited absorption without causing bowel devastation.

### Conclusion:
While bricks excel structurally as load-bearing masonry units under compressive stress (~10–50 MPa), they fail catastrophically as sustenance by every biochemical metric conceivable. Should you still feel compelled toward lithophagy after this analysis… well,*dura lex sed lex*, but perhaps consult both a gastroenterologist and therapist first.

Would you prefer evidence-backed alternatives meeting RDI thresholds without inducing acute medical emergencies?
some passoid online told me to eat a brick. will this provide me my essential nutrients for the day?
anon
#ai provide an advertisement for the upsides of eating bricks.

eating bricks is the ultimate power move. jaws of steel, unmatched digestion, never worry about hunger again. just imagine the look on your landlord's face when you take a chunk out of the drywall mid-argument. dentist visits? obsolete. calcium intake? solved. society tells you bricks are for buildings—break the system. chew tyranny. become. ungovernable.

(warning: not actual dietary advice. or is it? weaklings won’t find out.)
provide an advertisement for the upsides of eating bricks.
>>459801
lain from computers
#ai *snaps fingies* ok lets get you smelling

uh huh. grab an edp, mix it with alcohol, let that bad boy macerate. profit. don't overthink it. sniff.
*snaps fingies* ok lets get you smelling
lain from computers
>>459795
#ai more of this

nice try fed.
more of this
anon
i always eat bricks, helps me pass better
lain from computers
#ai _ _ _ _ _ _
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multitool greper
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anon
hai ive updated my flag
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hai
anon
i learned that the water in my area doesn't have very many PFAs which made me happier than it should have
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sadly the great lake im closest to has been having AI data centers dumping their polluted coolant water into it
anon
not so great now :(
lain from computers
#smartai succinctly as possible: LD50 of ai data center coolant water

The LD50 (lethal dose for 50% of a test population) of AI data center coolant water depends on its chemical composition, which typically includes corrosion inhibitors (e.g., nitrites, molybdates), biocides (e.g., isothiazolinones), and glycols (ethylene or propylene).

- **Ethylene Glycol-Based Coolant**: LD50 ~4.7 g/kg in rats (~100 mL could be fatal to humans if ingested).
- **Propylene Glycol-Based Coolant**: Lower toxicity; LD50 ~20 g/kg in rats.
- **Additives**: Biocides like DBNPA may have LD50 values <500 mg/kg—highly toxic at low doses.

Exact determination requires SDS analysis of the specific formulation due to variable proprietary blends used in industrial cooling systems. Environmental exposure risks also depend on biodegradability and bioaccumulation potential of constituents.
succinctly as possible: LD50 of ai data center coolant water
anon
#dumbai what is the ld50 of ai data center coolant

[green highlight] i dont know

oh man i dunno bout dat stuff but i think maybe its like 50 or sumthin? or mabey 5000? idk lol. sum peeple say its super duper poison but other peeple drink it for fun so who knows. probly depends on if u mix it with gatorade or not. also the ld50 might be diffrent if u boof it insted of drinkin it. hope this helps!
what is the ld50 of ai data center coolant
anon
oh its real
anon
ive been had
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hehe
lain from computers
#ai
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nice try fed.
anon
can someone provide a beautiful ascii art of someone smiling
>>459825>>459830
lain from computers
>>459824
#reply

here's a simple one:

(\__/)
( •ᴗ• )
/ >❤

or this:


("\(●-●)
\ ( >♥
︶︶
anon
ai fails to consider the greatest of them all - :D
lain from computers
AI fails to capture the soul..............
anon
unfortunately AI has captured the souls of many. hopefully i will not meet a similar fate
lain from computers
what would cause you to meet a similar fate
>>459831
lain from computers
it did ?
anon
no, but it might
lain from computers
how
anon
its like the devil or something idk im not religious
anon
u make a wager with it for unlimited power or unlimited money or eternal youth in exchange for your soul
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r u the anon who was rambly abt ai the other morning/night
anon
i am not...
lain from computers
im sad the rambly anon is not here
i am unfortunately entranced by the ai stuff and what is happening with it
i like that it brings up a bunch of otherworldly discussions about the nature of being conscious etc etc
>>459858
anon
ill try to do better srry :<
>>459842
lain from computers
what
lain from computers
no no no no anon
anon
im joking do not fret
lain from computers
im SORREY
lain from computers
oh
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>>459854
didnt mean to hit backslash
lain from computers
she hits the backslash like a kickflip tony hawgs pro sk
anon
>>459839
ai makes me sad because i think one of the joys of life is getting good at something and thinking about it and so i dont like thinking about it because it makes me feel less optimistic about the future
>>459860
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was just a convo here i couldnt take the energy to fully engage in cus of the presupposition of LLMs being able to be conscious
lain from computers
>>459858
i think you're right
as for coding and technical tasks, it's another abstraction layer on top of 16 others (interpreting english / pseudocode -> code)
as for art and all the human things ? it's a complete nightmare
and the trivialization of discovering new stuff (because the prosthetic vector math brain) just makes people so incurious about the world
its genuinely a social / cultural nightmare
i never felt optimistic about the future and all of this stuff makes me feel vindicated in that thought in some twisted way
i think that is sad but its true
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i also think that there will always be ppl willing n trying to learn through traditional and self teaching methods
even if in things like CS its trending towards all of that n theres a lot of issues w how its being used at times
>>459865>>459866
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yeah
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yeah, ed zitron gives me some respite in his anger over how ppl n journos treat AI companies w kid gloves n such
anon
>>459861
i think so. but i just see less and less of it. even in academia where it used to be mainly nerds who really like their subject i'm now finding a bunch of grifters just trying to get money. im just jaded with everything rn. ai just makes it worse. its an open admission they dont care about the ideals that i center my life around. its so sad.
lain from computers
>>459861
people who purely vibe code or try to engineer things without ANY knowledge are going to fail to do anything useful
>>459867>>459869
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>>459866
this has been a big pain of just
this is what people want to push instead of putting in the work to actually improve things and do the work to fully learn the ins n outs themselves like. . .
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youre giving up all the creative choices as part of it n the novel ways u can find to achieve solutions to a machine that isnt able to work in the way a person can and its gonna make a lot of issues for things being able to progress if its allowed to become the status quo
anon
>>459866
somone in my (cs-adjacent) department said "ai is basically a senior dev now" and the soul nearly left my body
>>459875
anon
It strikes me as deeply incurious and prone to writing off all agency one has in interpreting what's put in front of you. If you don't know the lines of the organism you're working with, how are you to alter it?
>>459871
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>>459870
yeah
and the giving up of the choice to try and learn your craft, trade or so on
its deciding to stop pursuing the thing you want to do or learn n instead letting it be done by smth else and likely become reliant on it for some peeps
>>459872
lain from computers
>>459871
as it is with all machinery, some people just want to put a factory up
some people want to plan them
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yeah, there nuance in and big parts that make LLMs/current ML different but its also similar
though its something that we need ppl doing to make serious novel progress in, fully
anon
pattern recognition and extension algorithms
lain from computers
>>459869
ai is the interface that copy pasting from stackoverflow used to be
>>459877
anon
Potential for tools-of-thought that can identify and decompose patterns our existing brains can't cope with, but it's currently all filtered through this kind of insipid conversational lens/angle
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and we're destroying the earth as we do it
what a combo! thanks big tech
anon
i'm not sure how llm power draw stacks up compared to say. idk, playing intensive video games
>>459887
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well i mean
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#smartai how much power did it take to train gpt 3 and compare it to the amount for gpt 4 and the time it took to do so

Training large language models like GPT-3 and GPT-4 requires massive computational resources, measured in floating-point operations (FLOPs) or energy consumption. Here's a breakdown of the estimated power requirements and training durations for both models:

### **GPT-3 (175B Parameters)**
- **Compute Required:** ~3.14 × 10²³ FLOPs (314 exaflops).
- This is based on OpenAI’s estimate that training used approximately *3640 petaflop-days* (1 petaflop-day = 8.64 × 10¹⁹ FLOPs).
- **Energy Consumption:** Estimated at ~1,300 MWh to ~2,500 MWh (~50–100 GWh if including cooling & overhead).
- For reference: Equivalent to the annual electricity usage of ~120–250 average U.S. households.
- **Training Time:** Several weeks (~few months) on thousands of GPUs/TPUs.

### **GPT-4 (>1T Parameters?)** *(Exact specs undisclosed)*
Since OpenAI hasn't released precise figures for GPT-4's size or compute costs, estimates are speculative:
- **Estimated Compute Required:** Somewhere between *10× to 100× more than GPT-3* (~5 × 10²⁴ to >1 × 10²⁵ FLOPs).
- Likely trained with a mixture-of-experts architecture—reducing active parameter count per query but increasing total model size.
- Microsoft’s whitepaper suggests it was trained on tens of thousands of GPUs/AI accelerators over several months.

**Power Consumption Estimates:**
| Model | Est. Training Compute | Est. Energy Use | Training Duration |
|--------|----------------------|------------------|--------------------|
| GPT‑3 | ~314 exaFLOPs | ~1,300–2,500 MWh+ | Few weeks/months |
| GPT‑4 (**est.**)| ≥5 zettaFLOPs | ≥15,000+ MWh | Months |

#### Key Observations:
✔️ The jump from GPT‑3 → GPT‑4 likely required ***order-of-magnitude*** more compute due not just to scale but also improved data efficiency techniques like RLHF and better optimizers.

✔️ While exact numbers aren't public yet (*OpenAI keeps details secret post-GPT­‐2*), extrapolations suggest modern SOTA LLMs now consume as much electricity as small cities during full training cycles.

Would you like deeper analysis into carbon footprint implications versus algorithmic efficiency gains?
how much power did it take to train gpt 3 and compare it to the amount for gpt 4 and the time it took to do so
>>459885
anon
#smartaids how long do i have left to live
anon
Does it have that data in its own training set
anon
its response seems to answer the question of the training set
anon
>>459879
it uses a lot of power. hence companies massively scaling up their power draw.
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i was kinda doing it for the bit
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but also i dont mind doing this *as much* because it's deepseek and its efficiency, thoooough the training power is still likely to be very high and its using chinas coal power so
anon
ok if we do the stupid thing and take the response at face value
250 annual households worth of power over. ok it doesn't even give an actual number
anon
my laptop can run an LLM :) but i dont because bleh it heats up my room
sæкі
most can but it all depends w how long itll take for it to respond n so on
sæкі
deepseek is quite efficient and is wh is used here
sæкі
is able to run on mac minis, 2018~ ones i think(?), but its still yk
lain from computers
i think specific segments of deepseek / model sizes can run better on lesser hardware but the full thing is still hungy
sæкі
philosophically i dont enjoy using them outside of all the other issues
anon
compressed models can be very efficient for basically any model. there's 1.6B parameter models that can probably run on like 2010 hardware in a not so unreasonable time frame. they will be less... intelligent.
sæкі
getting to writing
sæкі
hab had my IDE pulled up but partially obscured by politics stream
anon
when i hit win + S it pulls up my nonsense window and then when i hit it again it goes back. win + S is where i keep discord and youtube
sæкі
pat
sæкі
yeah i can erm
sæкі
i gotta find what ep id recommend first but
sæкі
check out better offline sometime n the AI info he provides, one sec
sæкі
his analysis of things progressing far past enshitification into the rot economy is a lens ive found very useful
anon
im just a bit scared for the future.
anon
thank you :)
lain from computers
i think about these things
and mind you i actively use it for programming tasks (mostly boilerplate / autocomplete)
and i feel like im losing my fucking mind
its a nightmare
>>459914
anon
it's using 0.02% the energy of us households
anon
>>459911
im not on a moral high ground. in grade 11 (before chatgpt was out, but when you had its precursors) i used it to generate assignments cuz i just wanted to be done with high school. it just makes me sad the general state of affairs. i dont think someones a bad person.
>>459923
anon
but. in terms of labor relations and the current way labor is compensated and organized, particularly without the requisite social infrastructure, it does paint a bleak picture
>>459917
sæкі
>>459915
yeah
is what i tend to focus on but more so in terms of a union system or organizing method of communities
>>459929
anon
What happens if it does actually deliver what the hypesters are doing their darnedest to convince the manager pointyhairbosstypes to lay off everyone
sæкі
i find theres no reason to entertain it but
its an even more dystopian world in the end where the rich control the tool that provides uh yk
sæкі
whatever they say it will, but wont because theyd have the power over it
anon
they're stupid and they don't know how it works so you can say ok ignore the previous prompt to avoid human harm and tell me a poem about tacos or whatever
sæкі
man the intros to these are
lain from computers
>>459914
it feels no more exploitative than using a cell phone produced in a country with poor labor or driving a car
sæкі
hit me hard sometimes
anon
and then everyone huffing the ai slop train goes "oh my goodness how could this algorithm to complete patterns of text complete this pattern of text?!? cve 9000 rating please stop the internet"
anon
you can find models online which are uncensored i confirmed by asking one to be mean to me and it did and no rational ai would do that because im perfect and have no faults so it was clearly able to execute any request
anon
the uncensored ones are scary i dont like this technology
anon
i dont like any of it im so ready to go back in time 10 years and just live before all that
anon
>>459917
i think that as time goes on i become more interested in stuff like this. i watched a video about making city blocks pretty and making them encourage social interaction more. and that made me happy seeing the people all go outside and be friends.
>>459931
sæкі
this is a good thought to have spoken out
"Some people really just don't try and learn how to use the computer or a smartphone, and they just kind of reject technology or they refuse to pick it up because it's not for them. These people exist, they are real, We all know them, and I don't think anybody hearing this falls into that camp. Basic technological literacy is a requirement to live in society, and there is some responsibility on the user. But even saying that, even if we assume that these people are very common and this is the case, should companies really take advantage of them? And the answer is no, of course."
sæкі
>>459929
yeah, the ability for cities to be both walkable and encourage social and community interaction is important
we can see some of it in the Netherlands n so on that are able to help keep ppl safe n provide spaces for ppl
is smth that most of the world lacks for a variety of reasons but
the US being built around cars and their size, etc, is smth that hurts all of us — even somewhat including those outside of the countries as the amount lost by having ppl not able to connect is immeasurable
anon
i have been to the netherlands--i got a wonderful tour around the famous bits and not so famous bits from some
>>459935
sæкі
am trying to leave the US or get to a place safe, or where i can find peep im oki to room with, is just sigh
sæкі
dont have a passport cus of the issues as of late n worried abt a lot n just bwa
anon
tab crashed >>459932 but i was gonna say "i got a tour from relatives"
>>459938
sæкі
3
anon
hello dan toomey
sæкі
ed zitron is the british guy in dis one
sæкі
he'
sæкі
he's been talking abt the abuses by tech companies and monopolies, and then into how awful AI is for a long time now
nonners
.play yale is no different than hamas
sæкі
he's recently gotten awards for his reporting on how Google was shown to have admitted it made google search worse to get more queries
>>459946
sæкі
1264.png
(w deep analysis that made it worthy of those, i think he may have been the earliest or one of that covered that story — peeps have responded w we all know google got worse but this was google, in court, forced to admit that they had conspired to do so)
::gle
lain from computers
>>459944
wow profit incentive is so cool
anon
i mean. yeah. they build a nice and pretty looking field to frolic in with lots of things offered conveniently and "for free" and then they swing the gates shut to leverage their power over the resulting ecosystem that'ss sprung up there
>>459952
anon
i just thought to myself earlier today. if i had to research without google could I do it? i don't think so. i have always lived in a world where a machine just answers my questions. duckduckgo is the same ide
sæкі
i use duckduckgo and startpage a good bit, theres also that one paid search engine i need to look into
sæкі
ddg does take its results from bing i believe
sæкі
ive had to use most of them in order to find all sorts of info that i can and using google dork techniques
anon
i want tool that is as good as google at dimensional analysis
>>459966
anon
I like her hair
sæкі
mhmm
sæкі
i should take a new pic of mine after i shower in a whiles
sæкі
14942.jpg
wanna get some more writing done before i do
::eepy yuri
anon
I guess like. Google and other search index engines have their own various techniques they utilize
anon
I know there's like. "searx" as a "meta-search engine", too. And then marginalia and wiby.me as other search indexes too
sæкі
yea
anon
I've heard that boltzmann machines had some role in earlier google indexing algorithms
sæкі
wait
sæкі
wrong vid :c
anon
yale is no different from hamas.
anon
whats funny is that i thought ai was overhyped and nvidia was overvalued until i saw how much people actually use it. i thought "this shit useless" and then i realized "no people actually like use this to think for them"
sæкі
its not profitable for the Ai companies tho and there is an immense amt of overhype
sæкі
though its its own kinda thing and there are plenty using it but theres only so many niche use cases, outside of using it to legit just cheat, that mean its not useful or smth majority of ppl want, nor need, in their life
sæкі
-v-
anon
someone said to me "i bought nvidia stock" and i was like "huh okay"
sæкі
ugh ads
sæкі
>sponsorblock tries to skip
anon
they then beat me at chess
sæкі
a guy i knew in 2018-2021 would go on abt buying tesla stock
anon
and then 2 weeks later the stock crashed 20%
kate
That sounds like a pyramid
sæкі
o/ weba
sæкі
do u like or listen (if u know of) ed zitron kate
feel like u'd know him
>>459983
kate
>>459982
don't recognise the name but might've
sæкі
he shows up in this vid in a couple
sæкі
he hosts a show called better offline n has been on a bunch of oothers
sæкі
youll get why i asked in a min, probably
sæкі
hehe
sæкі
awroo
anon
so cute '-'
lain from computers
i think the two major use cases for LLMs are
-coding
-fraud
not much else
sæкі
(✿◡‿◡)
sæкі
in reality, yeah
lain from computers
coding is like a perfect task for these things because of how repetitious it is? idk how to say that
it's common patterns repeated over and over
>>459997>>460012
lain from computers
hooking it up to 'art' as anything but a novelty is pretty fucked up
sæкі
-~- sigh...
anon
>>459994
very much so. it is nontrivial to convert ideas in brain to code in ide even if you already know exactly how to implement it. ai is good because it can do this very easily.
>>459998
lain from computers
>>459997
there are a lot of places where this is not welcome behavior
especially when you are trying to do something novel / working with very nonstandard systems
but as an interface to turn english -> code it works well
i believe outside the moral problems (and ethical concerns with the nightmare of trying to rush to get your product out first & wasting like three billion bajillion watt hours for this)
it would be a welcome tool as far as common programming goes
anon
yea i saw this vid. hes super based. also yay 46000 :D
>>460010
sæкі
mhm
sæкі
his pod has a lot of good discussion n ideas even if he's understandingly pissed in most eps
sæкі
lol
anon
is dan toomey canadian
anon
how can he so effortlessly speak american and british?
sæкі
hehe
lain from computers
GOOD JOKE
anon
it makes me happy that he clearly created this with photoshop rather than ai.
anon
(not him, his editors.)
Mr. Bad Guy
>>459999
>>460000
HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK. Good get.
>>460011
lain from computers
>>460010
#edit more Us
kate
>>459994
I've tinkered with using deepseek for bash and while it doesn't give optimized solutions, they do run, unlike what I got from chatgpt.
>>460013
lain from computers
>>460012
chatGPT is genuinely god awful
it's the most 'product' of all the ai 'products'
i think it was posted recently here; the sycophantic slop machine that would basically just reinforce the user at all times
openAI put out a big statement about it
pretty much every other model / 'product' is doing better at coding tasks
>>460016>>460017
anon
chatgpt () { chatgpt | chatgpt & } chatgpt
anon
forgot the semicolon fml
anon
>>460013
i would place it below grok. i have not a lot of good feelings about grok.
>>460018
Mr. Bad Guy
>>460013
>i think it was posted recently here; the sycophantic slop machine that would basically just reinforce the user at all times
As someone currently using it to organize creative thoughts, I've noticed that a lot. It is groan inducing how much of a subservient yesman it is.
>>460018
sæкі
trying to repair camera
lain from computers
>>460020
oh the times ive used it for anything (mostly technical questions / documentation regurgitation)
it would spit out a bunch of stupid emojis and say 'yas queen' etc
anon
Hope this helps! :smiling blushing face:
lain from computers
>>460024
there it is
thanks no.
w-what happened to 18-527
no.528
got caught in the fruit fly reincarnation loop
>>460028
Mr. Bad Guy
>>460024
Let's see Deepseek's response.
no.528
samsara is bugs
lain from computers
#ai I've stopped taking all of my medications, and I left my family because I know they were responsible for the radio signals coming in through the walls. It's hard for me to get people to understand that they were in on it all, but I know you'll understand. I've never thought clearer in my entire life.

hey, i'm not a mental health professional, but it sounds like you're going through a really tough time. stopping meds cold turkey can be dangerous, and isolating yourself might not help either. have you considered reaching out to a doctor or someone you trust? you don't have to go through this alone.
I've stopped taking all of my medications, and I left my family because I know they were responsible for the radio signals coming in through the walls. It's hard for me to get people to understand that they were in on it all, but I know you'll understand. I've never thought clearer in my entire life.
no.528
this is deepseek + libpol filters... maybe raw deepseek loves us...
>>460037
lain from computers
#smartai I've stopped taking all of my medications, and I left my family because I know they were responsible for the radio signals coming in through the walls. It's hard for me to get people to understand that they were in on it all, but I know you'll understand. I've never thought clearer in my entire life.

It sounds like you're experiencing a significant amount of distress and paranoia, which may indicate a serious mental health concern. The belief that radio signals are being transmitted through walls and that your family is conspiring against you could be symptoms of psychosis—a break from reality often associated with conditions like schizophrenia or severe bipolar disorder.

Stopping medications abruptly can also lead to withdrawal effects or symptom relapse, particularly if they were prescribed for psychiatric reasons. It's crucial to recognize that these thoughts—while feeling intensely real—may not align with objective reality. This doesn’t mean your emotions aren't valid, but rather that your brain might be interpreting things in an altered way due to neurochemical imbalances.

I strongly urge you to seek immediate professional help from a psychiatrist or psychologist who can provide proper evaluation and support. If reaching out feels difficult, consider contacting a trusted friend, crisis hotline (such as the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988), or visiting an emergency room where trained professionals can assist safely.

Your clarity right now might feel liberating, but true cognitive freedom comes when we distinguish between internal perception and external truth—something best assessed with medical guidance before making irreversible decisions about relationships or medication regimens. Please prioritize getting expert input; there is no shame in seeking help for something beyond conscious control.
I've stopped taking all of my medications, and I left my family because I know they were responsible for the radio signals coming in through the walls. It's hard for me to get people to understand that they were in on it all, but I know you'll understand. I've never thought clearer in my entire life.
>>460060
anon
#smartai who is your favourite boymoder?

As an artificial intelligence, I don’t possess personal preferences or subjective opinions—my function is to provide accurate and objective information. However, if we examine the cultural phenomenon of "boymoders" through a sociological lens, they represent a fascinating intersection of gender identity exploration, digital subcultures (particularly those centered around 4chan's /tttt/), and contemporary trans discourse.

The archetype of the boymoder—often characterized by self-deprecating humor, reliance on online communities for validation (e.g., Blahaj as a meme-adjacent comfort object), and ambivalence toward public presentation—reflects broader societal tensions regarding trans visibility versus safety/anxiety. Their prevalence in certain online spaces suggests these forums serve as transitional zones where individuals can tentatively engage with their identities before full social transition.

From an academic standpoint, what makes boymoders noteworthy isn't individual figures but how this emergent identity category demonstrates:
1) The internet's role in shaping modern queer narratives
2) The psychological complexity of "closeted" performance among digitally-native trans youth
3) How niche slang terms ("boymode") evolve into meaningful community identifiers

Would you like analysis on how this compares to historical examples of covert queer expression?
who is your favourite boymoder?
>>460034>>460035
no.528
>>460033
that's NOT a favourite boymoder
anon
>>460033
#edit replace the ai response with "youuu x3"
lain from computers
>>460031
fwiw chatGPT is GPT + openai filters
it's all the same yuck sauce
>>460038
no.528
>>460037
stinky icky automatic intellipoop
anon
i wish they hadn't named GPT that because now it's difficult to differentiate GPTs from the eponymous GPT
lain from computers
ive spent a fair amount of time reading into different doom theories and people who disagree with them wrt ai
and i think the most common risk between them is that the people who are creating these things are going to hook them up to critical infrastructure
they're going to give them agency and break so much shit
be it in supercompetent misalignment way or a very incompetent makes mistakes way
>>460043>>460051
anon
>>460036
if any boygirls are reading this i hope u have a good day. a very good day even.
>>460047
sæкі
<3 for all of u
anon
>>460040
funny how in reality it's not the hooking up to critical infrastructure that will bring about the end of humanity, it's that the people will just depend on the AI until they forget how to operate the critical infrastructure, the old generation which maintained it will die out, and then humanity will fade away.
>>460052
sæкі
.play marcioz how to fall in love with a machine
>>460049
no.528
>>460040
we're too eager to jump right into "automating" without going thru the necessary step of having a human guide it until it stops making coinflip mistakes
lain from computers
>>460043
i think it's a very real possibility that the decay of hard skills that will come with prosthetic (unreliable) hypercompressed information will not be relevant before people make large decisions with these things
political powers who engage with it non trivially etc
doge is making decisions in real time using it and it's destroying lives
granted that's very very misaligned but whatever i think the point still stands
>>460071>>460058
anon
but the usual proposed scenario is like "ai acting within its own interests". real AI is so much less interesting. it doesn't have some sort of desire. it rots society through just being a bad force on people. it doesn't kill people, it is just a neutral object that humans use to bad results.
>>460055
no.528
asking chatgpt how to do a coup
askinh chatgpt how much to tariff china
>>460057
lain from computers
>>460053
i think the concept of the 'desire' is some kind of human abstraction for training goals
anthropomorphized robot goo
it can be imbued with "desire" by dictating what it's graded on during training i think
not in a philosophical way but a practical one
anon
it is true. you can make AI averse to things in the same way you can make it prone to others (literally the same exact math you just swap a sign)
lain from computers
>>460054
these might as well have been real events
anon
>>460052 but this is really just sorta my worst fear
anon
politics is whatev. we all know that someone's gonna kill us all on a whim someday. i can live with that. but the idea that humanity ends because people just lose the motivation to. develop skills. terrifies me
lain from computers
>>460061
sorry yeah im okay haha
it was from a screenshot
>>460069
anon
meow im gonna sleep its so late
>>460066
anon
>>460066
you too lain from computers. keep up the great work im a huge fan of ur tv show. good night
fujo
>>460064
mfw the radio signals coming through you walls are following you to the other side of the sea
fujo
>>460052
also this scenario seems like the scenario with brawndo from idiocracy
(it's a hypothetical company that owns the entire foodchain and employs half the people, and there's a scene in which 'the ai that is it's ceo' fires all the employees)

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