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anon
>>488049
y-you can’t just act on what you want anon:o
anon
>>488056
Don't worry anon when I get very good at drawing I'll make great trans representation
>>488060
0.2620% bloober!boymodewng
>chinese dont have the same restrictive culture against the lgbt
???????????????????
>>488062
0.2621% bloober!boymodewng
they literally do lmao
>>488063
anon
>>488059
they have trans tv stars and stuff
anon
its not perfect but its different and accepting in its own ways
0.2622% bloober!boymodewng
this is literally libpol idk why tankies love this site so much
>>488069
anon
basically u can be publically trans and if someone bothers you, they are looked down on for not minding their business. but if you talk publically about transness too much *you* are looked down upon for basically the same reason, "not minding ur own business"
>>488080
anon
wow that’s good good about that
0.2623% bloober!boymodewng
china is not good on LGBT issues, and that's okay, most countries aren't
0.2624% bloober!boymodewng
>>488069
that's where the term comes from lmao
>>488074
tea (phone)
fash out
0.2625% bloober!boymodewng
like when china ran over that one dude in tienaman square with tanks
>>488075
anon
>>488071
didnt it come from stalinists?
anon
>>488073
that never happened, you can straight up see it in video
anon
thats my impression from talking to a bunch of chinese trans ppl
anon
they let him go
0.2626% bloober!boymodewng
that makes it so much better
tea (phone)
ong 2626 pretty number
0.2627% bloober!boymodewng
>>488066
yeah this is my understanding
0.2628% bloober!boymodewng
but if you're trans or lgbt in your family you will be shamed and disowned
0.2629% bloober!boymodewng
but afaik there's less outward hate like in western countries
0.2630% bloober!boymodewng
and transitioning is not sanctioned by the state
anon
yes and someone having mental breakdowns and schizophrenia like our anti-trans cohort here would be seen as extremely strange there and very much looked down on
>>488092
anon
in china, the stereotype they have for anti lgbt people is annoying old lady that keeps asking about grandkids, in the west the anti lgbt stereotype is neonazi that kills ppl
>>488086
anon
it's not exactly better or worse its just different
0.2632% bloober!boymodewng
ok bruh
anon
maybe one day we will all be Chinese
0.2633% bloober!boymodewng
>>488084
yeah, but listen i mean china has a lot of issues related to LGBT poeple lol. Like there are absolutely hate crimes and again, it's not state sanctioned at all. A lot of LGBT stuff is looked at as western propoganda type shit. Ok yeah you're sane i got u confused with the dumb maoist
>>488094
tea (phone)
>>488088
would u support germany in 1939 to take down the us hegemony? like dont get me wrong the us isnt good, but being "enemy of my enemy is my friend" in global politics is retarded
>>488095
anon
>>488092
u are not wrong im not defending that im just complaining that even their culture cant put out ONE (1) single "genderswap" manga without a ridiculous setup that defies explanation or any kind of sense
anon
mmmmn :(
tea (phone)
>>488097
its an analogy. im not saying theyre the same. just that the logic of "us bad and china hate us so we should support china" is tarded
0.2634% bloober!boymodewng
>>488095
supporting the US is not at all like supportting nazi germany but go off
>>488097
anon
i think mao was right about landlords and most of the other stuff he did was pretty cringe
>>488103
anon
my own country had a dictatorship orchestrated by the US, my own GRANDFATHER was murdered in cold blood before I was born, but you americans dont give a fuck about that shit, out of sight out of mind so long as you get your TREATS
>>488105
anon
i mean modernizing his country and bringing millions out of pocerty was cool but he really fucked up the bag with the four pests campaign and the cultural revolution and the whole slag steel incident
0.2635% bloober!boymodewng
>>488100
you know what's interesting is from my understanding that's actually what they teach in china

"mao was so based until he wasn't"
>>488106
0.2636% bloober!boymodewng
like they teach the founding of the party and the curriculum goes into the great leap forward and is like .... yeah that was uhh not great
anon
>>488101 really fucked up shit and the people who did that shit are often still alive and I’m in driving distance of them. kinda fucked I don’t do anything but the only way to end this stuff is to end the circumstances which created them- god I hope I’m actually doing that

and I’m glad you’re here
>>488110
anon
>>488103
what they teach is that he was around 70% right and 30% wrong, also mao himself hated himself for a few of his fuck ups
anon
Thats why i have a lot of hope for china
anon
yeah they arent perfect but they aknowledge some of their mistakes and that shows willingness for change and progress
anon
and also they arent backsliding into fascism when the entire rest of the world is
>>488111
anon
>>488105
im glad youre here too anon I was happy to see someone else with similar beliefs
>>488131
0.2637% bloober!boymodewng
>>488109
yeah lmao cuz they're already autocratic
>>488112
0.2638% bloober!boymodewng
i mean president xi is the president for life
>>488116
anon
Its similar to the trans situation, they lose some rights compared to us, but they have a lot of ammenities that arent afforded to us
tea (phone)
im starting to think there is a non liberal on this libpol
>>488117
anon
>>488113
i mean our elections aint the fairest. they're fair*er* but there is still much to be desired
>>488118
0.2640% bloober!boymodewng
>>488116
this is the stupidest take i have heard in my entire life
>>488122
anon
note how none of the name users said anything about my murdered grandpa lol
>>488132
anon
its fine when the us does that stuff
0.2641% bloober!boymodewng
bro i don't know what country you are from so i can't even say anything about it
>>488124
anon
it can be a lot of countries, an extremely long list in fact
anon
>>488121
So you think the DNC and GOP are legitimate power
0.2642% bloober!boymodewng
not really
0.2643% bloober!boymodewng
>>488122
yes it is lol. The idea that you could rig the US election is the stupidest thing I have heard in my life. It's not even one election that you can rig it is hundreds of tniy electiions that all happen separate from each other. In order to beleive it's riged you would have to be on such large levesl of conspiracy thinking it would be literally be dumb
>>488128>>488135
anon
nearly all of south america got couped because of the US
anon
>>488126
you are a silly billy :3 u take the governments word too seriously
anon
all of the middle east is drenched in blood because of the US
anon
I could be from nearly any country in the middle east or south america
anon
>>488110
if I said all my beliefs you’d hate me too lol but the tee hee look the other way stuff is bullshit. do you have any advice on what Americans should actually do?
tea (phone)
>>488119
to be honest i missed that message. lots of talking happening. idk sorry for your grandfather i guess. not much i can do.
anon
and you dont care
anon
you get your treats
anon
>>488126
my sister in christ we have citizens united and an electoral system specifically designed to empower slavers
0.2644% bloober!boymodewng
what specifically about citizens united causes it to be rigged
>>488138
anon
US elections are kayfabe because the bourgeoisie as a class is what rules the country, you people do not have democracy, only an illusion of democracy
0.2645% bloober!boymodewng
>>488138
good one describe how cittizens united causes the elections to be rigged
>>488140
0.2646% bloober!boymodewng
>>488140
ok and do you have any evidence that they are bribing people to vote a certain way? do you have any evidence that they are bribing people who are working the polls to rig the election?
>>488142>>488143
anon
>>488141
yeah you can go look at lobbist donations its public info, thats the whole concept
>>488144
anon
>>488141
wasnt elon musk bribing people in public not even that long ago
>>488146
0.2647% bloober!boymodewng
>>488142
lobbiests have nothign to do with the election but good one
anon
lobbies is just legal corruption
0.2649% bloober!boymodewng
his candiate lost the supreme court seat
>>488153
anon
>>488146
so surely all of the policies persued by our government are unaffected bt corporate interests and genuinely represent the will of the people? do you want to die on that hill? xD
0.2650% bloober!boymodewng
>>488148
SO WHAT? SO THE ELECTION WASN'T FUCKING RIGGED
>>488151
anon
>>488150
a rigging that fails pathetically is a rigging still, the fact that you can have some fuck buy votes without punishment is insane
>>488157
0.2651% bloober!boymodewng
OK FIRST OF ALL IT'S NOT EVEN AN ATTEMPT TO RIG HE TRIED TO BRIBE PEOPLE TO VOET A CERTAIN WAY ONE.
SECOND OF ALL A RIGGING THAT FAILS IS BY DEIFNITON NOT A RIGGING
tea (phone)
>>488147
was it the supreme court? i thought it was a circuit court
0.2652% bloober!boymodewng
>>488154
im not defending elon musk lmao
0.2653% bloober!boymodewng
>>488151
>the fact that you can have som fuck buy votes without punishment is insane
yeah, the governemnt should prosecute him i agree lmao but you were s aying how all us elections are rigged and i was pointing out that even the richest man was unable to rig a single election
>>488159>>488160
anon
boojer probably owns a cyper truck
anon
>>488157
ithink they should prosecute all lobbists!
anon
>>488157
that was another anon, I'm just saying its not entirely fair play, what I do believe however is that none of your elections really do anything because you still live in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
0.2654% bloober!boymodewng
lefypol
0.2655% bloober!boymodewng
leftypol
0.2656% bloober!boymodewng
is where you should all go
0.2657% bloober!boymodewng
plz
0.2658% bloober!boymodewng
you would fit in so well there
>>488170
Aleixi
chat im crying rn im scared :(
>>488168
anon
waow no :< hug
Aleixi
i think im fucked on rent and i moved in a week ago
anon
maybe you can move again or something
Aleixi
i was so sure i was gonna be able to get a job :(
anon
why were you?
Aleixi
i had just finished work experience and i had a job recruiter and i thought id be able to get something soon- the housing just kinda fell in my hands
>>488181
anon
>>488173
I like this format, whatcha gonna do (read in sopranos character voice)
tea (phone)
i have not watched the sopranos. some weirdo told me to so i avoided it. not implying all sopranos fans are weirdos i just dont trust him
>>488179>>488178
anon
>>488177
its sadly popular amongst right wing people that dont understand the show, like american psycho
tea (phone)
i see
anon
>>488175
that sounds good though! how have the last few days gone on that?
>>488183
anon
i cant find the graph but someone here might have it
theres been a study of how much public approval impacts the passage rate of a bill
short answer: it does not
Aleixi
>>488181
no places respond and i have almost nothing but i need the rent in like 3 days
anon
a bill approved by 80% of the populace has only a marginal (few %) chance higher of getting passed in comparison to one which has 20% approval
anon
:(
anon
If thats democracy, then.. ok cool
>>488191
anon
well they’re not going to execute you or anything worst case you get evicted n eventually find things
Aleixi
i wanna apply for a card or i wanna ask my bank for a loan i dont understand money yet im scared shitless
tea (phone)
>>488188
we dont have true democracy. we also dont have true liberalism. fun.
>>488193
anon
it sounds like you’ve got more job skillz than me though :)
anon
>>488191
capitalism is designed to dismantle capitalism
the whole conceit that competition breed innovation is defeated by the fact that every single company ever wants to *not have competition* that is the ideal state for any company
>>488203
anon
wow what an insightful message that is definitely not the same tired arguments that have been made 30 billion times
>>488196
anon
one of the older worms would probably know better than me what to do :<
anon
>>488194
you have to stop saying this thing because... because other people say it too!!!
anon
competition does breeed invocation absolutely, and pure capatislm is bad for competition those aren’t contradictory ideas
>>488204
fujo
uhm capitalism is good ackchually
fujo
how else is billy gay going to fly his plane
anon
#smartai my friend has not enough money to make rent and is below my $600 and has been having trouble finding a job what can they do (rent is due in 3 days)

Your friend is in a precarious financial situation that requires immediate action. Here are several pragmatic steps they can take to mitigate the crisis:

### **1. Immediate Financial Assistance Programs**
- **Local Government & Nonprofits:** Many cities offer emergency rental assistance through housing authorities or community organizations (e.g., Salvation Army, Catholic Charities). A quick search for "[City Name] + emergency rent help" should yield results.
- **211 Helpline (U.S./Canada):** Dialing 211 connects them to social services, including short-term rent relief and food aid.

### **2. Negotiate with the Landlord**
- They should communicate transparently with their landlord—many prefer partial payment over eviction proceedings. Proposing a written repayment plan may buy time.

### **3. Gig Economy & Quick Cash Options**
- Platforms like TaskRabbit, Uber Eats, or Craigslist gigs can generate fast income.
- Selling unused electronics/valuables via Facebook Marketplace or pawn shops offers liquidity.

### **4. Community Support Networks**
- Mutual aid groups on social media (Facebook/Reddit) often assist those in need.
- Crowdfunding via GoFundMe could help if they articulate urgency compellingly.

### **5. Legal Protections Against Eviction**
- Some jurisdictions have grace periods (e.g., 3–5 days post-due date before late fees).
– If eviction looms, legal aid societies provide free tenant advocacy ([find one here](https://www.lsc.gov/find-legal-aid)).

For long-term stability:
Once stabilized, your friend should explore workforce development programs at local unemployment offices and upskilling resources (Coursera’s financial aid options).

Would you like location-specific referrals? I can refine recommendations further with details on their city/state regulations regarding tenant rights and assistance programs available there.
my friend has not enough money to make rent and is below my $600 and has been having trouble finding a job what can they do (rent is due in 3 days)
>>488227
fujo
ever thought about him????
anon
I love capitalism I sure enjoy working 40 years and destroying my body to make my boss rich so that he can get another yacht. By the way, capitalism has nothing unfair about it.
>>488206>>488207
tea (phone)
>>488193
if u reread your message you'll see the problem is really that companies find it cheaper to not compete than to innovate.
anon
im having spells cast at me
anon
for speaking truth to power
anon
on my own home website
anon
what is the world coming to
anon
>>488207
>le capitalism realism face
anon
XD
anon
do you know other people in your industry who might know how to get a job maybe?
anon
>>488213
oh no anon, life can only be shit so suck it up, only crybabies want a life they actually like
tea (phone)
i think the world could be improved.
anon
>>488216
what is my system anon, im curious
anon
>>488219
you realize we already have that one right..? all the functional parts of our government are socialist in nature
anon
?????? we don’t have any socialism lol
>>488222
anon
>>488221
free education, government builds roads and bridges, etc.
anon
SOCIALISM IS WORKERS OWNING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION NOT FUCKING SOCIAL PROGRAMS
anon
this dude thinks socialism is when free shit, holy shit read marx
>>488233
tea (phone)
socialism is when the goverbment does stuff
anon
literally any social service is socialism sorrie i dont make the rules FDR does
anon
>>488200
there’s a program in my city when I googled it alexi you can use the past due notice to apply
anon
Free education is undeniably a socialist policy idk how u can come to that conclusion without veing ultra brain rotted :*
anon
it is not socialism tho lol it’s a social policy but it largely is to support capital because an educated workforce is valuable and they don’t have to pay to educate
>>488232
anon
if the means of production are owned (what the fuck, how do I say this in english) if the means of production are private property then its not socialism
anon
>>488230
noooooo social policy in my government is not le socialism because le socialism is le bad and govemrment is le good!!!!
>>488234
anon
>>488234
i dont think anybody does, its a stupid word
anon
yeah theres no abstraction about it
tea (phone)
>>488237
it is but its been obscured. e.g. social democrats say they believe in socialism
anon
Collective ownership of the means of production, end of private ownership
anon
every single person in this conversation has a different definition of socialism lee mao zedong
>>488246
anon
that's that
anon
>>488243
Me and the other anon have the same definition: collective ownership of the means of production. This is because we have read marx and have the correct definition of what it is. Also tea(phone)
>>488250>>488253>>488248
anon
>>488247
did u see the rent assistance programs the ai talked about? yeah there were lots of messages. ai said google city name + emergency rent assistance help
and in my city you can display your past due rent notice and that your poor and could become homeless and the gov will help
>>488251>>488256
anon
So you think education isn't a means of production? you think nothing is produced? only tangible goods counts?
tea (phone)
>>488246
>we have the correct definition unlike all these other people...
>>488254
anon
do you think roads are unrelated to production
anon
my point is socialization of industry is a sliding scale and nobody in the whole world wants there to be none at all except maybe ancap freaks
anon
>>488256
#hug
so no drinking pls cutie
Aleixi
can i drink in a hopeful manner? it's late and im tired of thinking for the day
>>488263
anon
>>488260
you might feel bad tomorrow I want you to feel rested n better tomorrow
>>488265
Aleixi
>>488263
i dont have enough alcohol for a hangover- i just do laid back. thank uu anon tho :3 i luv uu
>>488268
anon
like genuinely tho do u think higher education is a productive thing or not
tea (phone)
>>488264
its okay im fine with being mogged in linguistics
anon
>>488265
:3
what industry r u in r u. a smart puters person? mbe too personal :/
>>488269
Aleixi
>>488268
i just wanna do warehouse labor- like moving boxes or stocking shelves- i enjoyed outdates when i was at a store. i find it fun
>>488270
anon
>>488269
lotsa my friends do that! and can’t you find that fast I think? like Amazon warehouses?
>>488272
anon
ok well im glad we clearned up that china is le evil gommunists can we go back to talking about them making comics about gay people again
>>488274
Aleixi
>>488270
i applied at amazon- my issue is this month. amazon can't pick me up until the 11th
>>488273
anon
>>488272
that’s great it’s on the way!!! I was scared you were in an industry where you needed some huge bullshit process to get a job and probably wouldn’t get one. based alexi!!!
>>488276
anon
>>488271
dont worry anon i will make the best comics about gay people and trannies (i can say the wowrd im one)
anon
come to think of it why isnt this mindset more common, just make ur own representation like even stick figures can work
>>488278
Aleixi
>>488273
i've just been sending out hella applications to places every week and watching the date grow closer is scary
>>488280
fujo
boooooooooojeeeeeeer...........
anon
>>488275
i do i just enjoy media of more tha one type
im a painter im shit at coming up with stories
>>488281
fujo
#ksay boooooojeeer
anon
>>488276
I’m not wise in the ways of the world but my instinct is to contact your landlord and go ‘hey here’s the date I get hired at the Amazon warehouse and I’ll do the rental assistance thing too or idk if you have any advice’ but idk I’d be super scaredy cat too- you’re braver than me moving out!
>>488285>>488294
anon
>>488281
i find those kinda frustratingly shallow
anon
Idk
anon
To each their own but I've enjoyed like one or two ever and ive tried to read dozens
>>488286
Aleixi
>>488280 i plan to on mondy im just scared- the other roommate is her son whos rent she has to cover so i feel like im on thin ice- i will still ask tho
anon
I wanna make a 4koma and then see if I transition to like stuff with actual panelling
anon
>>488286
i forget the exact title its called like "my girlfriend got amnesia" or something
anon
and i feellike there was another but i rly cant rmemeber it
tea
>>488250
oops didnt see this. i read marx but i read weird marx rather than what commies read because i find capital to be kinda a useless book nowadays. the weird marx is fun but it's ultimately fairly primitive ideologically. capital just isn't like... very grounded in actual reality.
>>488304>>488293
anon
did u ever try azumanga daioh
anon
alright but imma leave soon im geting sleepy and im kinda ruining my sleep schedule for no reason >>488293
Aleixi
nini beloved anon you made me feel better
anon
Nini sweet alexi
anon
that one
anon
its still vry shallow but its cute for what it is
>>488305
anon
I’m optomistic for you too- for labor like that you miiight be able to literally firm handshake your way in but idk shit I’d keep up the applications and maybe look into local warehouses, I’ve heard some small businesses don’t advertise as well, but idk don’t let me distract you!!!
>>488306
anon
Idk its just annoying to read the synopsis of a manga that sounds really cool that has gender as a central theme and then u read 3 pages and it turns out oh not they are not going to have nuance in that theme, they're just going to blusgeon the main character over the head with le gender and then laugh about them being clueless every time. they arent even allowed volition in their own gender experiences they are just like, reactive
anon
>>488301
i'll give it a look anon, and goodnight
Aleixi
>>488302
yeah i've been on craigslist and stuffs to thank uu fren
anon
I’ve always been tempted to try the gigs on Craigslist but never have. idk probably wise of me really need actual evidence. the best thing to have is a career with in demand skills
anon
getting that… ehhhh
anon
idk
anon
but this is really good thank you so much alexi I was worry ur gonna get through this n shine
Aleixi
god i hope
anon
:)
anon
how did you find your roomie btw for when I wanna move out?
>>488314
Aleixi
>>488313
my mom was cleaning for someone (shes cool)
anon
mmm it’s always these kindsa connections it seems like- or maybe that’s sampling bias n I don’t notice the people who found connections in conventional ways ;)
anon
anyway Nini <3 take care of yourself don’t get too anxious n spend a lil time resting tomorrow n time working too if you can
Aleixi
i will thank you, nini anon
anon
still think its silly to say socialism or liberalism is an all-or-nothing choice as if our main factor in surviving liberalism thus far hasn't been strong social programs which may or may not be socialist in nature depending on who you ask apparently
>>488321
anon
Or that you cant advance a liberal organization of government by adopting socialist policies piecemeal
tea
>>488318
ideologically speaking liberalism isn't necessarily incompatible with socialism in many forms.
>>488322
anon
>>488321
yeah look at finland and sweden and norway and denmark
tea
thatis not what i mean. these are not so much socialist (in the way that commies use the word) so much as they are social democracies
anon
doesnt the winning party in those places often self describe as socialists lole
tea
yea this is why it's hard to talk about. because there's a modern term of socialism and then an archaic term
anon
i mean it's no true scotsman all the way down
tea
it's not, there's just two concepts.
anon
I wholeheartedly believe that like 4 in every ten major industries could be collectivized tomorrow with basically no negative repurcussions
tea
yeah but when finland and sweden say they're socialist they don't mean collectivizing the means of production
>>488331
anon
i dont care if that makes me a gomnie or a socialist or anything else. it's the right thing to do
anon
>>488329
then why do you think i mean that when you assume im socialist (i didnt even call myself socialist(
tea
i have no clue which anon you are or what you believe.
>>488333
tea
like i wanna be clear, when i say there's two forms of socialism im saying it in a purely descriptive sense. i'm not remarking on either's merit. there's literally just two different definitions of the term
anon
i didnt even say it and now im getting words put in my mouth then those words are expanded to ideoligies i dont even always have
tea
what
anon
its silly smh
tea
are there two different people tlaking here or something im not following at all
>>488341
tea
(another liberal proven to be low iq, checkmate)
anon
>>488339
well always do you think a university is a productive enterprise
tea
uh idk like it researches which is pretty awesome. in some sense i think this is production
>>488343
anon
>>488342
no i just mean educating workers is that a production
anon
does that contribute to the gdp or whatever
tea
the education is production i guess, i don't think the learning is
anon
so its a means of production
anon
that has been collectivized....
anon
but its not socialism because we dont have a socialism here this is U !! ESS!!! AY
anon
thats mywhole point xD im done now sorry
tea
oh no this is like a misunderstanding of workers owning the means of production i think
tea
i mean okay on some level we have made education public, but i think usually it refers moreso to like the actual workers of the place owning the company
anon
thats just trade unionism
anon
syndicalism
anon
pretty sure thats a different one from socialism because its supposed to be out of the hands of the govt or at least decentralized from it
tea
makes sense, i guess so
anon
idk i think all the words are fake
tea
all words are fake
anon
yeah but more fake than all the other fake words
tea
that doesn't mean anything
anon
yes it does
tea
no it's fake
anon
no, money is fake but its a lot more real than like. global market depreciation (???) or like every country being in debt
anon
Theres levels of fakeness
anon
be so fr
tea
it is not linen it is plastic
anon
lea spotted...
anon
leaf
tea
over, doxxed again
tea
#itsover (380)
anon
money is real cause we say its real which is not a real justification so its fake
tea
u dont need to explain social constructs
anon
but its a lot more real than other social constructs like the word socialism
tea
i am literally trans
anon
if we cant agree on a definition even then its especially fake
anon
at least we can agree on a definition of money in all but the most edge cases
SadChan🍉🍉
money is a thing u trade for goods and services
anon
generally no
SadChan🍉🍉
no lol money has to be standardized
SadChan🍉🍉
it can be made out of something but its a standardized produced unit
SadChan🍉🍉
backed by an institution
>>488391
anon
they can be backed by orher stuff too
>>488394
anon
but yeah i mean this is all edge cases right
SadChan🍉🍉
>>488392
there isnt anything else other than institutions
>>488404
anon
thats my whole point, if i pull out a $10 bill and say "is this money" in a room of a thousand people, nearly a thousand are sayig yes
SadChan🍉🍉
no one is using trump box
SadChan🍉🍉
bux
SadChan🍉🍉
xD
SadChan🍉🍉
by that definition monopoly money is actual money
anon
if i pull out a policy bill in the room of a thousand people and say "is this socialism" theres literally no bill to ever exist that would get more than like 700 people to agree
anon
so socialism is an extra fake word
anon
simple as
tea
nah, this just ties into what theorists of the morphological study of ideology call "essentially contestible" terms. if we accept the postmodern idea that the difference between ideologies is literally *which truths are important* than we can understand that how we define our words is what informs the conclusions we arrive at
>>488406
anon
maybe not tho idk
anon
>>488403
right and socialism is a patently undefiniable word in this country (sorry u count as being part of this country you are our hat)
tea
specifically, in modern political debate, there's many many words that don't have a standard definition. if everyone agreed on all the definitions then we'd all agree on what is to be done. therefore it is by defining words (decontesting terms) that we reach our conclusions
five lain highway
#count
anon
but i mean this all boils down to the original deb8 which is "stop blaming capitalism when ur ideals are worse" or something like that
anon
or when "you wanna do a socialism"
tea
some anon (idk if it was you) was saying "i am against US hegemony and so im pro anything thats anti US imperialism" roughly
>>488413
tea
i can't read their mind
anon
whats wrong with that stance
tea
well as i pointed out. would you support nazi germany just because they are against US hegemony?
anon
no but would you force every palestinian to scream I CONDEMN HAMAS before you give them fucking rice and beans to not starve to death
tea
i would not.
tea
i don't see how these are related
anon
Moral policing an underdog in an imperialist power struggle is a lil cringe
anon
you take what you can get if youre the subject to all that
tea
okay but this is different than the original claim i believe. if there was like a credible threat to US hegemony it would probably be good for the world (assuming they're not gonna impose fascism). but if you're defending a government just because they are a threat to US hegemony even though they're actually doing bad things... idk ur sorta....
>>488424
anon
but then why are u argung with the first anon im so confuseddded
anon
>>488422
i mean the vast majority of developing nations with terrible governance have that governance because of US meddling, more often than not direct meddling
tea
well i can give an explicit example. Uganda instituted the death penalty for homosexuality because they associate homosexuality with western influence. I support their opposition to western hegemony, but i think the death penalty for homosexuality is abhorrent.
>>488426
anon
you shouldnt accept anything at all uncritically
anon
government or leader or ideology
tea
im not 100% certain of what the other anon was endorsing, so i can't speak more on this >>488426
anon
but you can support the overall trend of anti-usa sentiment without cosigning every single act thats in the name of that
>>488431
tea
>>488430
yeah. but also you gotta look at what kind of anti-usa sentiment it is. like the kind of anti-us sentiment of nazi germany is not an improvement to the status quo
>>488432
anon
>>488431
no but they are largely responses to the status quo
anon
and the us is the determiner of status quo for closing in on a century now
tea
i moreso mean like. suppose that the anti-US crowd is successful. then we'll have a new world order. but we should look at what this new world order would be before saying it's good. saying that you're pro anything that's anti us hegemony is blind to things that are potentially worse lol.
>>488448
anon
it's not necessarily
anon
Enemy of my enemy is my friend can hold up even if the friendenemy is worse. they just have to not be strong enough to take over afterwards
tea
but what's the good force in the world as it exists that's gonna be strong enough to take over? if we had some sort of paradise i would get it.
>>488438
anon
>>488437
none but at least collapse gives us a chance at change whereas calcification does not
>>488440
anon
we're in a bad spot, dramatic change maybe helps and maybe hurts. but if we stay the course and don't change we *will* die
tea
yeah. i agree with this >>488438 although it is scary when the changes are so far not looking so positive.
>>488441
anon
>>488440
idk i think it looks that way bc of us hedgemony, basicallt every power whos antagonistic to us was to some extent established by the usa intentionally to replace their further left predecessors
>>488445
SadChan🍉🍉
>>488404
it doesnt matter if the currency is backed by gold or not its still backed by an institution
SadChan🍉🍉
because people have to trust the currency actually has the gold in a vault somewhere
SadChan🍉🍉
evne in the days of ancient rome currnecy was still backed by insititutions because had 2 believe that a silver coin actually contained a legal amount of silver as dictated by the treasury of rome which mints the coins
tea
>>488441
i dont really get ur point though. like yeah the rulers were replaced by US hegemony. but you can't take that back. and now they're just less left
>>488446
anon
>>488445
my point is that the actual human sentiment in the world is a LOT further left than the institutional sentiment because every significantly leftist institution is in ruins due to the USA
tea
oh i see. yeah that's fair. i do think with the decline of US power we'll see much more plural ideologies
SadChan🍉🍉
>>488434
a lot of people legitimately believe russia, saudi arabia and china will be better stewards of global power than the US and Europe
anon
I think for every weird far right movement there's an extremely far left movement as well thats equally or better represented but has worse presence and resources because it has less institutional backing => therefore collapse evens the playing field
tea
yeah for sure. im not excited for a collapse though.
>>488455
anon
i still think its best to be avoided and changed without violence but if the alternative is burning to death so oil bros can fuck hookers and snort coke on yachts then. it is what it is
tea
hey are you coming after my job? just cuz im a hooker for oil bros doesnt mean...
>>488454
anon
are u an oil rig worker
anon
But, rock and a hard place
tea
i can see that good may come. i also see that harm will befall me. so like morally im fine with it but im scared for the latter reason.
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