love foxes so much

>>491891
I think because of a complete coincidence, I am genetically predisposed to folliculitis with any androgenic hairs, and it's especially bad with my moustache region, and it makes me dysphoric as fuck, because I live constantly with either the masculinity of the not closely shaven enough moustache, or the masculinity of moustache folliculitis, and it's hell waiting to finish leg laser to even be able to afford moustache electrolysis

want... give... pets....

I see the trans woman who can pay for full facial laser and full body laser at the same time, and the trans women who are rich enough to afford facial electrolysis and body laser at the same time, and I feel like shit I'm denied the dignity they get to have

>>491903
sounds like manmoding

>>491908
thank you anon

>>491920
1 energy drink

i liek this song

>>491912
what music does it switch to at the end of here??? it sounds oddly familiar

>>491912
at the 3 seconds in mark I hear a music change and it sounds oddly familiar and now I wanna know what it is

>>491931
one of those earworm generating short vids where you hear music you swear you heard somewhere but zero context to figure it out

i want scritches

#ai has anyone ever invented a machine that detects human body odor and can provide information about it, and if not why the fuck has such a machine never been invented?

yeah, they exist—sorta. there are electronic nose (e-nose) devices that can detect and analyze volatile organic compounds (vocs) from human sweat and breath. they're used in medical research, like detecting diseases through breath analysis.

why not a consumer-grade "body odor analyzer"? demand, mostly. people either just sniff their own pits or ignore the issue. plus, it's not exactly a pressing need when deodorant and showers work fine. tech's there, but no one's rushing to fund a smell-scanner for your armpits. capitalism waits for profit signals, not stink signals. has anyone ever invented a machine that detects human body odor and can provide information about it, and if not why the fuck has such a machine never been invented?

>>491978
its better if a machine does it though so nobody has to suffer.

>>491979
suffer? just enjoy it

>>491981
>>491980
I fsomeone is trying to do an experiment with how much they can go without showering without smelling bad, and multiple methods to reduce body odor while delaying showering someone might suffer

hence a machine would be more ethical

smell o vision over the internet is a dark dark path.

>>491985
I mean you DO realize reducing body odor is ONE of the reasons I wanted to get testosterone out of my system and replace it with estrogen right??? If I still have some sort of scent I feel like my transition is a total failure

at the very least i hope estrogen reduced the level of body odor i have

>>492003
whats really weird anon is... I'm a socially isolated person and shit but like, it feels like some individuals can't smell my body odor at all and other individuals are extremely sensitive and easily grossed out, and it's not even about who i lived with the longest.

>>492005
i know which one u r

yes im saying ur sensitive to smell

>>492012
good job!!

>>492005
I visited a firends house, and my friends elderly mother is insanely sensitive to my body, my bodies scent is extremely strong to hear, this is me being over a year post-orchiectom yand on estrogen for a long time... Meanwhile, her son cannot smell my body odor whatsoever. It's weird the elderly one who assumably might have had some aging related scent reduction is so sensitive to my bodies smells.

It was just so weird, to her son my body odor is like undetectable, he thinks I have almost no body fragrance at all, but to his mother my body odor is extremely strong and I have no clue why. Same thing for two other of my friends, one of them I can go over a week maybe two weeks without showering and he can't smell me, but his other friend I go a week without showering and my odor is super strong to the other friend.

Also, these two people I told you about, four people in total... Two of them, taking estrogen made my body scent nearly non existent, but my body odor is extremely strong to the other two and scientifically I don't know what the fuck is going on... I am so sensitive about body odor I take a special soap and a special type of pill to reduce it, and I am baffled some people are so sensitive to how I smell. To top it off I drink virtually zero cow milk whatsoever, so I know I don't have the body odor people have from drinking lots of milk.

thats a really good one

garden does wonders

I can't stop thinking about it... Why is my friends mother so sensitive to my bodies smell but my friend can't smell me at all

>>492025
#dsay boggle

we're ok

What is going on scientifically?

>>492042
#kiss

i feel good

i voted no

#smartai do trans women ever have a different body odor than most cisgender women they aren't able to completely change???

Yes, body odor can differ between trans women and cisgender women due to biological factors that hormone therapy (HRT) may not entirely override. Here’s a nuanced breakdown:

1. **Androgen Influence on Apocrine Glands**:
Before HRT, testosterone stimulates apocrine sweat glands (found in areas like the armpits and groin), which produce thicker secretions metabolized by bacteria into stronger-smelling compounds. Estrogen-dominant HRT reduces this effect over time but may not fully replicate the baseline odor profile of cisgender women who never experienced significant androgen exposure.

2. **Skin Microbiome Variation**:
The bacterial flora responsible for breaking down sweat differs based on hormonal milieu, genetics, and glandular activity. Trans women often experience shifts in their skin microbiome as estrogen suppresses sebum production and alters sweat composition—though some residual differences may persist if androgen exposure was prolonged pre-transition.

3. **5α-Reductase & DHT Residual Effects**:
Even with suppressed testosterone, some tissues retain 5α-reductase enzymes that convert trace hormones into dihydrotestosterone (DHT), potentially sustaining mild masculinizing effects on scent glands long-term unless blocked by medications like finasteride/dutasteride.

4. **Individual Variability & Hygiene Factors**:
Odor perception is subjective; some trans women report indistinguishable scents post-HRT after several years, while others note subtle differences influenced by diet or hygiene practices rather than biology alone—cis women also exhibit wide natural variation due to genetics/environmental factors.

In essence: *While feminizing HRT significantly alters body odor toward typical female-associated patterns within ~6–12 months*, absolute equivalence isn’t guaranteed for everyone due to irreversible glandular development from prior androgen exposure—but meticulous skincare/anti-androgen regimens can minimize disparities further if desired scientifically speaking do trans women ever have a different body odor than most cisgender women they aren't able to completely change???

i do

>>492044
this is problematic

thats a bad look for you isnt it

>>492053
i wish it worked

>>492049
Oh fuck that makes me dysphoric as fuck

Does that mean if I was allowed to transition much younger that I would have had less body odor??

#smartai how much does the age you start estrogen effect your body odor?? Do trans fems who start estrogen much later in life have problems with stronger body odor even years on estrogen?

The impact of estrogen on body odor in transgender women (trans fems) is a nuanced topic influenced by endocrinology, dermatology, and the timing of hormone therapy. While age at initiation does play a role in certain feminizing effects (e.g., skeletal changes), its influence on body odor—particularly long-term—is less pronounced than some might assume.

### **Key Factors Affecting Body Odor Under Estrogen HRT**
1. **Androgen Suppression**
- The primary driver of "masculinized" body odor is dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and other androgen metabolites, which stimulate apocrine sweat glands to produce thicker secretions that bacteria break down into strong-smelling compounds.
- Estrogen-based HRT suppresses testosterone production, reducing these glandular secretions regardless of when it begins.

2. **Skin Microbiome & Sweat Composition**
- Research indicates that estrogen shifts sweat composition toward more watery eccrine secretion rather than oily apocrine output. This change alters bacterial metabolism on the skin, typically leading to a milder scent profile over time.
- A 2020 study (*Scientific Reports*) found that post-HRT trans women’s axillary microbiota resembled cisgender women's profiles within months, irrespective of starting age.

3. **Permanent vs. Reversible Changes**
- Apocrine glands don't disappear with later transition but become less active under low-androgen conditions. Some residual differences may persist if someone had decades of high androgen exposure pre-HRT.
- However, years on estrogen generally normalize odor intensity due to sustained hormonal suppression.

4. **Individual Variability & Hygiene Practices**
Genetics heavily influence baseline body odor; some people naturally have stronger BO regardless of hormones.
Proper hygiene (antiperspirants, microbiome-balancing washes) mitigates lingering effects better than hormone timing alone.

### **Does Starting Age Matter Long-Term?**
- Early transitioners (<25yo) may experience slightly faster shifts because their endocrine systems are more plastic before full masculinization completes.
- Later starters (>30–40+ yo) can still achieve near-cis-female-equivalent scent profiles after ~6–24 months on stable HRT—though subtle variations might remain if sebaceous/apocrine activity was highly developed pre-transition.
- No robust evidence suggests older trans femmes retain *persistently* stronger BO indefinitely unless T isn’t fully suppressed or intersex/genetic factors apply.

### **Practical Takeaways: Optimizing Scent Feminization**
✔ Ensure consistent testosterone suppression (<50 ng/dL). High T = more masculine BO resurgence even years into HRT.
✔ Use pH-balanced soaps for sensitive skin; lactic acid cleansers help rebalance flora away from smelly microbes like *Corynebacterium*.
✔ Consider topical antiandrogens (e.g., spironolactone cream locally if systemic levels are adequate but stubborn odors linger).
✔ Stay hydrated—estrogenic skin tends drier; concentrated sweat smells sharper when dehydrated.

In summary: while early intervention offers slight advantages across many feminization metrics including this one… mature transitions do not doom anyone eternally overpowering musk provided proper medical management persists over time! how much does the age you start estrogen effect your body odor?? Do trans fems who start estrogen much later in life have problems with stronger body odor even years on estrogen?

she got banned for being a nazi

thats just what i was told

mods posted it a while ago and somewhat recently

>>492074
banned ofr being a nazi what do you mean??? I had no clue she was banned

>>492098
we didnt even start watching the movie bro </3

we bassically just made out for two days straight

:D

well i have no point of comparison but it was fun

not planned yet but he does wanna see me again

X3

>>492105
its beautifully surreal sadchan will give you that

>>492118
i just ended up sucking his dick if thats what ur asking

>>492114
beautiful

>>492121
yeah i bet

congratulations straw

^w^

glad you had a good time w your date

no longer a femcel by defenition

egg egg egg why is this function a thing

#smartai at what age do apocrine glands usually fully develop and reach their max intensity, and how does sex dependent puberty factor in?

Apocrine sweat glands, which are primarily responsible for the production of odoriferous secretions (mediated by bacterial decomposition), typically begin developing during early puberty and reach full maturity in late adolescence. Their functional intensity peaks around **15–18 years** in females and **17–21 years** in males, reflecting sex-dependent differences in pubertal timing and hormonal influence.

### Key Factors Influencing Apocrine Gland Development:
1. **Hormonal Regulation**:
- Androgens (e.g., testosterone, DHEA) significantly stimulate apocrine gland activity.
- Females experience earlier onset due to adrenal androgen secretion (adrenarche ~6-8 years), while males exhibit prolonged development driven by testicular androgen surge (~12-16 years).

2. **Sexual Dimorphism**:
- Males generally exhibit greater apocrine gland density and secretory output due to higher circulating testosterone levels post-puberty.
- Females may show cyclical variations linked to menstrual phases (progesterone potentiates apocrine function slightly).

3. **Pheromonal & Odor Significance**:
Peak activity correlates with sexual maturation—suggesting an evolutionary role in signaling reproductive fitness via axillary odors (though human pheromone effects remain debated).

4. **Genetic & Environmental Modifiers**:
Ethnic variability exists; some populations have reduced apocrinity due to *ABCC11* gene polymorphisms affecting secretion composition.

Thus, while both sexes complete glandular maturation by early adulthood, male physiology sustains heightened functionality longer—consistent with broader anabolic endocrine profiles. at what age do apocrine glands usually fully develop and reach their max intensity, and how does sex dependent puberty factor in?

Okay anons i am on to something big, transphboes want to force us to smell bad by not lettung is start estrogen at the start of puberty

Even if you start estrogen at 18 thats not early enough to prevent you from having more sweat glands than say your cisgender sister, so additional evidence its transphobic to not let us start hrt beforehand

>>492129
he ewas literally so cute and seet aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Transphobes are disgusting cause they want trans women to permanently develop more sweat glands from male puberty.

this is gore

Anons, how do you feel about not being able to avoid male puberty, now that you know they prevented us from being able to have less sweat glands???

I feel mad dysphoric about it.

>>492135
he said that at some point we will actually watch the movie

>>492145
i mean hes smart, im just gonna keep going back until we finally watch the movie

>>492149
i can confidently say yes now

I mean if male puberty increases how many sweat glands you have, shouldn't surgical removal of some of these extra sweat glands be a part of transition??

My anons how much do you think estrogen reduces body odor, and do you think estrogen on it's own is enough for trans women or do trans women need to take more drastic measures?

>>492165
I know it does, but does it change body odor ENOUGH??? What if estrogen on it's own is not good enough? Like seriously, should some trans women maybe have some of their extra sweat glands removed??? I am not saying removing all of them but lowering the density

>>492168
that looks like a gigachad bleeding it all out.

through the tongue

>>492165
>>492168
I am just saying, if the average trans woman has more sweat glands than the average cisgender woman due to male puberty, then shouldn't it be considered a gender affirming surgery, to have sweat gland reducing surgery??? The idea isn't getting rid of all of them, but reducing the density.

>>492178
interesting idea randalfag

>>492184
tell us more??? first kitty heard of it whats like that novel and howd it traumatize you???

>>492186
that sounds surreal and bizarre

#ai generate an image prompt that would make this image: "Stalin injecting his brain with needles then with a massively swollen freakishly huge brain consuming the whole planet"

"stalin in a dimly lit lab, veins bulging from his forehead, injecting needles into his grotesquely enlarged brain. the brain keeps swelling, absorbing his body, then expanding uncontrollably, consuming the room, the city, the sky—engulfing the entire planet in a pulsating mass of grey matter. make it surreal, terrifying, dripping with uncanny horror." generate an image prompt that would make this image: "Stalin injecting his brain with needles then with a massively swollen freakishly huge brain consuming the whole planet"

nice one

\| "stalin in a dimly lit lab, veins bulging from his forehead, injecting needles into his grotesquely enlarged brain. the brain keeps swelling, absorbing his body, then expanding uncontrollably, consuming the room, the city, the sky—engulfing the entire planet in a pulsating mass of grey matter. make it surreal, terrifying, dripping with uncanny horror."

oh wait image prompt ok

i thought u tried to gen an image with the text ai

>>492196
you must think im some kind o f idiot

>>492198
lets not start picking the grapes

>>492200
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>>492192
brilliant lain

>>492202
if the image generation works on LLM slop natural language why not have it make it *for* you

automation

#ksay faye

>>492206
stalin with a swollen brain???

same

#dsay fayeyeyeyeyeye

>>492213
cuz its one of the most unique things i ever heard of

>>492216
kitty thinks she well

>>492217
im screaming

>>492219
lol

>>492219
amazing imagery of big brained stalin

>>492248
yes you can tel lus any thing randalfag

confesseth ye thoughts before the brainworm council

>>492252
me neither

>>492258
hey guess what anon. turns out you have magical powers and are to inherit a great legacy. lucky.

>>492269
i think dogs are the best group members

>>492275
harry potter didnt think he had any either