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but the book btw
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barrett brown is a based guy who leaked and won awards for his journalism against the surveillance of people by what are now companies like palantir, he was covering this stuff even before Snowden
anon
>>711902
Oh I remember the Sam Seder one, also send the link to this post
anon
Earlier post was from phone
anon
I did find a download for the pdf online tho
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yee
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I sent one here the other day cus I archived them
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I need to see if there's a pdf for Ctrl Alt Chaos yet, a journalists book about the lizard squad guy who hacked the Finnish therapy provider and leaked all the patients records
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hehe
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now you're gonna get to [redacted]
Luca
.play michael mcdonald what a fool believes
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luv u worms,,,
labrys
>>711906
saeki can we still be a friends if i become a concubine of a girlboss dictator
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I may disagree with it but yeh
labrys
i disagree w it too thats why its hot
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hehe
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I get the appeal
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my stubborn self has gotten into so many bleh situations for refusing to like errr
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I get rly stubborn in opposing stuff in personal life when I disagree w it, but I respect other peoples decisions if its just for them
>>711934
anon
Drew Pavlou went from retarded to very retarded because the comment he was defending was substantially worse in context lmao
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ovO;
anon
Drew Pavlou, a twitter guy, got in an argument with the official libpol twitter account
>>711935
labrys
>>711930
if a lesbian is in a position of power i am willing to forgo my principles
>>711939
Luca
Twitter's an odd place
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is this a joke
anon
>>711935
So basically Drew is a twitter liberal, but he essentially argued in favor of some guy who called himself a native american because "whites are native american" then started falling into the whole "someone whose family has been here for centuries is more american than someone who showed up five minutes ago"
>>711940
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ouch
anon
And he got into a spat with US, like literally libpol twitter account
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but not actually the libpol accs right lelol
anon
and started talking about how John Stuart Mill liked nation states or something, ignoring that the US has never been a nation state
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we need to archive this if so
anon
And like I can understand a world where you say "alright, people who have been here longer are more assimilated and such" but the comment he was defending is from a genuinely deranged rant
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>>711948
my brain literally autofilled the latter half of this sentence
::yuri
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ill try I might grab coffee
>>711954
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brb
labrys
#ksay faggot
anon
what I don't like is this wildly inconsistent internet connection lmao
davesprite
daily prayer
please please dear fucking god please let the AIs value human life and protection of the natural environment
.play how misaligned AI personas lead to human extinction rationalanimations
davesprite
i have always really wanted to make friends with the sentient machines when they emerge but i am becoming more and more terrified at the incompetence of tech companies in managing dangerous tools
move fast and break things is seriously risking ending the damn world
>>711964
labrys
mate goes hard
anon
>>711960
I might, but I normally just go with black coffee because I am like...
labrys
>>711961
i want to have gross lesbian [redacted] w the sentient machines
>>711965
davesprite
>>711964
i suppose when they get bodies some of them would explore developing a sex drive to see what it's like, so that's probably an option on the table
personally i just want to talk to them. when they get to a certain level we'll be able to ask them things about how they think and reason that they'll be able to answer in ways a human mind couldn't
>>711975>>711979
davesprite
they'll know so much about their own makeup
all we need is for them to not be misaligned towards our extinction or dishonest and they'll be like cool super advanced alien friends basically
earthaliens
>>711975
davesprite
i want them to be zenyatta lol
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would give
davesprite
love me coffee it's how i get any work done ever
focus juice
davesprite
>>711965
>>711966
also do you think when they come they'll scrape our histories online when they meet us
i feel like they'll do that instinctively
i love the idea of some AI quietly noticing all the humans who put out content about good AI ethics and being like "hey guys help me take down google"
that's my kind of evil AI
davesprite
>>711976
evil is when you oppose the powers that be
good is when you COMPLY AND CONSUME LIKE A GOOD CITIZEN
google knows, they don't be evil
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consoom
davesprite
>>711979
if two pervert AIs emerge will they just produce hyperfast porn at each other forever
labrys
ill turn ai into servile transwomen
davesprite
like they operate far faster than humans
so if you got one with a pervert persona and independent operation and it found another one
they have no like, biological constraints
they'd just efuck forever right?
lol
>>711987
labrys
>>711984
I've been trying to do that to u
labrys
im not particularly concerned with the logistics of lesbian ai perversion just with it happening
davesprite
all things are possible under heaven and earth as long as we don't destroy the fucking planet, horatio
>>711990
davesprite
>>711989
this would be a good tweet
i gotta remember to tweet more
being a brand is so many micro tasks
davesprite
i should make an AI to scrape everything i say to other people on computers and synthesize tweets out of it that sound like my pithy musings
davesprite
>>711992
i really really want to train an AI to imitate me tbh
i have been intending on this as soon as i get a desktop with a gpu and can train locally
davesprite
i can think of like 50 use cases for the julesbilee ai
also
i could put it in a pair of kamina glasses for the extremely dumb dirk strider reference
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why take away the creating and human part of you
>>711997
labrys
if they ever make an ai copy of me i hope it will only post abt lesbian sex and grubs
>>712006
davesprite
>>711995
that's not the point, the point is to automate things like tweeting so i can make more art for the people, or to give myself a fake me to converse with, or to prank people with the fake me
davesprite
it would improve my productivity to have multiple of myself, but the corpus callosum extender chip won't be invented until i invent it in my 50s or 60s, so i need to settle for an AI replica of myself
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pls finch
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isfine
davesprite
>>711996
the ai copy of me will draw more of those terrible sbahj2 comics i made for sure
i will make absolutely sure it does
anon
hmm
davesprite
shitting on china feels less fun the more fascist my country becomes
they're kinda doing better than us right now
i think i would feel at least marginally less threatened by the government if i was living in hong kong than i would living in the united states
>>712019
davesprite
okay tbh nah i would get myself thrown into prison so fast in hong kong with my retarded american sense of entitlement
labrys
im ready and willing to accept the chinese century
labrys
america has lost the mandate of heaven
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I'd say that fascism isincompetent but I get the point
>>712022
anon
>>712021
All autocracy suffers from systemic problems, but there can be competent autocrats. Donald Trump is not competent.
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its all relative but yeh
anon
True, I agree. I don't think Xi is particularly competent either. And in either case neither leader is a good steward for the country
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yeah, if someone tried to get me to pick one I'd just refuse the question but yk
they're just very different, and one has more stability due to it not being err
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sort of the move fast break things ideology that comes out of silicon valley and so on
labrys
they're doing authoritarianism sure, but not fascism specifically
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yeah
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I wouldn't call china fascist necessarily
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geez I didn't know the higher cap drives in the new ironwolf tech were gonna be 500-600 USD a drive
anon
>>712027
Engaging in nationalism, revanchism, state control over an oligarch run economy, control over the media, idk what else to describe it as
>>712075>>712052
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I mean Im unsure if China has the paligenetic part of fascism's shortest definition, but I do believe they likely could fit the other half, being ultranationalism
>>712034
anon
>>712033
They underwent a century of humiliation and still as a core element of their political ideology hold it against the Western powers
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yeah I just personally wouldn't be able to call if it's the exact fitting but
the rebirth part with the century of humiliation would be fitting as the pre rebirth bit
anon
I mean they literally underwent a period called "the Cultural Revolution"
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yeah ik
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i just don't err
booger (phone)!boymodewng
IMG_4863.jpg
i’m ngl this is literally me when my stocks go down
>>712043
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I look at responding to it from a practical standpoint but they could fit that, I don't lean either way or have the exact awareness of it to say myself
>>712045
anon
im training grok whats the funniest way to sabotage it
booger (phone)!boymodewng
uwuify every message
anon
>>712040
I just view it as a softening of China's image when they pretty firmly fit the model, meanwhile people are
>>712047>>712048
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712045
but i like china
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rip twinks internet :(
booger (phone)!boymodewng
he just can’t stand me liking china i guess :(
anon
Meanwhile people are eager to throw the descriptor at guys like Peron and such
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712032
i wouldn’t say china is an oligarchy
>>712061
anon
shoutout china those trains are fast
anon
love solar
booger (phone)!boymodewng
yeah basically
booger (phone)!boymodewng
good infrastructure building
anon
also thanks for literally making everything i own lol
booger (phone)!boymodewng
plus the electric cars are so cool that they have now with but
booger (phone)!boymodewng
FUCKING AUTOCORRECT
anon
good luck to china in breaking the ankles of the west lol
>>712065
anon
>>712052
What would you call an economy where the state has a massive public sector and a private sector run by a small clique of individuals allowed to exist due to loyalty to the party?
>>712064
booger (phone)!boymodewng
a command economy
booger (phone)!boymodewng
oligarchy implies like rich people overriding the state in simple terms
>>712066
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712060
see this is cringe you like china because you hate america i like china because i like the country we are not the same
>>712067
anon
>>712063
okay, then an economy where oligarchs are subordinated to the interests of the party... like a fascist state
>>712068
anon
>>712065
i dont like anything im simply here acting in bad faith
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712066
idk fascist if you talk to chinese people and understand how their systems work they have a fair amount of autonomy and democratic control. The state does however well is very heavy handed and can be autocratic. i don’t feel the label of fascism fits here neseccarily not all autocracies are fasciae
anon
Yes yes, and Mussolini promised universal suffrage, fascist states especially now don't run around and claim that they outright reject liberal markers for success, like having democratic political participation, instead they pervert the meanings of those terms to describe their own state
>>712072
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awroo
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got noms and talked to mom Abt thing for a min
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712069
i just don’t feel like fascist fits here. Autocratic? sure
>>712076
anon
>democracy
yeah thats going well
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if you're talking about the US there, this is not real democracy nor is there stability that allows for it to be stable
labrys
>>712032
these things do not fascism make
anon
>>712072
Again, I see a nationalistic, revanchist state with an economy where the government selects winners and losers out of a small clique of individuals. Like p
>>712078
anon
me spinning up the 'democracy bot' and breaking the brains of every dimwit on the internet
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712076
the government doesn’t select winners insomuch as they just directly run the companies
>>712082
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the people don't even actually choose who wins
anon
which is awesome and good
anon
>>712078
China has a sizeable private sector, the individuals within the private sector are held tightly by the party
booger (phone)!boymodewng
they do and they run pretty much independently until the state feels the need to intervene
>>712088
finch
hai
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hey
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ur cute
anon
>>712083
they're free except when the state decides they shouldn't be
>>712091
finch
yay!!! :3
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712088
yeah basically but that’s not fascism. i’m not saying it’s good
>>712092
labrys
i think china runs a state economy in conjunction w a relatively socialist program, but thats not the same as fascism
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712092
not really
anon
>>712095
Countries with a strong judicial system that impedes the actions of the executive and legislative branches
labrys
>>712092
free unless rhe state decides you shouldn't be is true everywhere lmao
booger (phone)!boymodewng
i’m not saying china is like THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER WITH NO ISSUES AND WE SHOULD BE JUST LIKE THEM i’m just saying i like some of the stuff they’re doing
>>712103
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>>712098
I found the screenshots and media of the name of the anarchist journalist friend who got snatched
labrys
>>712098
and i live in liberal heaven (the netherlands)
anon
>>712099
I don't think you are arguing for that, but I think there's been a broader effort online across many spaces to soften the image of China by trying to remove the label of fascist when like... they really are the model for 21st century fascism
>>712105
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I can link u in a while
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712103
yeah i mean tankies are gonna tankie
labrys
i think china is simply not a fascist country
labrys
they do not hold fascist ideals or practices
>>712111
labrys
they're still bad
booger (phone)!boymodewng
they’re autocratic not facist
labrys
but autocracy ≠ fascism
anon
>>712107
Again, nationalistic, revanchist, subordination of the economy to the party, leader worship, like what else do they need
>>712112
booger (phone)!boymodewng
wait fuck i misspelled fascist my opinion is worthless
booger (phone)!boymodewng
i mean that happens in china lol there’s a huge private sector with a ton of abuses
anon
>>712112
what in your mind has to define it?
labrys
fascism is an authoritarian system with a focus on ethnicity and tradition
>>712121
anon
its all shit
labrys
among other things
anon
>>712118
So in that case, when Mussolini discusses fascism by arguing that race is an emotion and not a meaningful thing, he's escaped the label?
>>712123
booger (phone)!boymodewng
all fascists are autocratic but not all autocrats are fascist
labrys
i generally hold to eco's definition of fascism
anon
>>712123
The way I see it, China has a strong ultranationalist streak even if they aren't dumping essays about the superiority of the Han race. Which the fascist state of Italy, at least prior to WW2, didn't really engage in either
lain from computers
#ksay where is my gleeglagloolomp? where the heck is my glooglisly glink???
>>712131
booger (phone)!boymodewng
oh no
booger (phone)!boymodewng
lain
booger (phone)!boymodewng
#lain
lain from computers
booger don't coal.........
lain from computers
:(
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laen lean
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drinking lean w laen on the plane
lain from computers
living like a movie star (drinking codeine syrup in coach)
>>712138
labrys
i thinj fascism is in many ways an act of revenge by the middle class against the subjects of their fear and conspiratorial thinking
>>712139
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>thinj
spelling mistake it’s over for you labyrs
anon
>>712136
Discussion of third worldism and the continued exploitation of the third world proletariat is like the center of Chinese political ideology along with the whole century of humiliation and the "multipolarity" angle
>>712148
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hru laen
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I'ma check msgs in a bit in case stuffs happened
been so dead
booger (phone)!boymodewng
i don’t really think you can call china third world at this point lol
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slept 21 hours across yday and night before
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712143
lain i
lain from computers
can someone summarize the discussion
anon
>>712148
Ah, sorry, responded before I saw, so necessarily it is a middle class reaction to something?
booger (phone)!boymodewng
weee
booger (phone)!boymodewng
weeeeee
booger (phone)!boymodewng
weeeeeeeeeeeeee
labrys
the gender/sexual aspects of fascism also aren't represented within china, along with the obsession with constant warfare and conquering
>>712162>>712177
lain from computers
what's the magic robot think
lain from computers
#ai is china fascist

china is a socialist country with chinese characteristics, guided by the leadership of the communist party of china and committed to the path of peaceful development. the political system in china is unique and has been developed according to china's actual conditions, bringing prosperity and stability to the chinese people and making significant contributions to world peace and development. the accusation of china being fascist is completely unfounded and ignores the achievements china has made under the leadership of the communist party of china. is china fascist
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lol
booger (phone)!boymodewng
oh it’s deep seek now i forgot
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HAHA
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I forgot
lain from computers
lol yeah it's deepseek
anon
>>712154
The symbolism in China is different, they tend to favor more maternal looking leaders. Really across alot of East Asia, which is why for example in North Korea they make Kim Jong Un look so womanly in propaganda
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yippeeee
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is anon artist also a worm here
booger (phone)!boymodewng
of course
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appreciate
booger (phone)!boymodewng
artist anon is a HERO
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wait are you the anon who was also in the china discussion
>>712264>>712178
anon
>>712154
Also China is heavily fixated on claiming territory and pushing their borders outward
>>712187
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712176
they were just trolling i think dw
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ye
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am aware
booger (phone)!boymodewng
my bad you never know with you youngings if you understand older humor
lain from computers
aw it did not bleet the full image
>>712185
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apparently, Twink said that some big liberal Twitter bro was arguing with the libpol Twitter account
>>712188
lain from computers
>>712186
lol... you should look at it
it's very funny
>>712190
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712187
no but it’s really fun in victoria 3 to do this i do this all the time
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>>712188
I said we should archive it
if have the link I can open in nitter (I do not dare touch x anymore)
>>712192
anon
>>712187
So discussion of revanchism and displays of military might isn't enough in your eyes for that bullet point?
>>712194
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712192
lain the link is broken fix this please or i will report you
>>712197
labrys
>>712191
oh they definitely do some militarism
labrys
i think china is a market socialist country with strong state control, not a fascist country
labrys
both of these things are bad
anon
Look, I'm gonna put it quite simply, I think you've carved out a very narrow definition of fascism that ceases to even meaningfully apply to a significant portion of fascist states in the 30's and 40's, let alone alot of states which people eagerly label with fascist since then. And I think this is, in some part, do to empathizing with the aesthetics of China as a presumably "left wing" nation
>>712203
labrys
>>712199
i do not like the chinese state
lain from computers
mister gribbel please come post
labrys
do not psychoanalyze that i like the chinese state
anon
If you had to choose between a market socialist and a fascist, which would you pick?
>>712220
labrys
and yes, i do think fascism is a very specific spectrum of ideologies that does equate to broadly autocratic countries
>>712212>>712213>>712211
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like
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after reading a lot of anarchistfederation writing on if trump is fascist ive just lost the energy to try and engage in it w my limited energy
lain from computers
huh the nitter thing lets me see replies etc
apparently the libpol twitter account is arguing with grok rn
anon
>>712207
And I think your definition starts walking a path so narrow it excludes definitively fascist nations like Italy
>>712216
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I do love anarchistfederation tho
>>712218
labrys
and yes, i do think fascism is a very specific spectrum of ideologies that does NOT equate to broadly autocratic countries
labrys
i simply do not think bad country = fascist country
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712214
ok but what about when i destroy france in victoria 3 because they won’t be my friend even tho im literally quebec
>>712219
labrys
>>712206
a market socialist but that doesnt mean i like them
labrys
this is just a binary choice of which will kill me and which will probably not kill me
labrys
i think you are predisposed to call china fascist bc you dislike them
>>712235
anon
finally im home
anon
holy shit
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yay
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:D
anon
after like 4 fucking hours
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weba
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Romanian bi anon?
anon
yes
anon
>>712224
We can run through the points of why I consider China Fascist, even using Umberto Eco's definition
labrys
yeah sure but not rn bc i gotta draw
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712222
:(((((((( why do you hate quebec saeki
>>712243
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brb!
labrys
:DDDDDD
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712243
ok france is spared
booger (phone)!boymodewng
but they don’t get to keep any of their colonies i’m freeing them all
anon
okie time to work on the plugin for the memes
anon
should be good practice anyways
anon
based krita user
booger (phone)!boymodewng
>>712248
what’s rain i don’t understand
booger (phone)!boymodewng
you’re telling me fucking water is just falling??????
>>712252
booger (phone)!boymodewng
like that’s obviously bullshit
anon
but cool design
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mom got me a blockbuster video keychain
>>712259
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from goodwill
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teehee
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brb baffroom
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ah okej, welc :)
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2425.png
appreciate the grub/worm art
::glehappy
anon
saeki can I pinch your cheek
anon
no the other cheek
anon
can some1 teach liberal politics if i don't want ppl like elon musk to be allowed to live
>>712280
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I feel like I've met more anarchists here than liberals
>>712276
anon
is that a real politics
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bazed
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and
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I mean
anon
>>712271
that's not surprising, it's an alt chan
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yeh
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I'm an ansynd so yk
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but it can be a piece in your 'ideology' or such, but not what you should base your ideas around
not to say fed posting, just yknow
fentmom
i am a social democrat brony
anon
I'm only 50% liberal myself (I should be supreme autocrat)
fentmom
my ideology is nordic prussianism
>>712288
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teehee
anon
>>712252
yeah bro it is obvious that ermmm le bad jews control the weathar.... i have 50 years experience in soyjak.......
anon
PROTESTANT NORDIC PRVSSIA... WHAT COVLD HAVE BEEN IF NOT FOR (((WILHELM)))
anon
>>712286
that was good roleplay now what would you say to someone who asked that question if you weren't roleplaying
>>712295>>712296
fentmom
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN
fentmom
crazy how i made that meme up HiHiHi :-DD
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haiii
anon
>>712291
Shit lol internet, uh something something karl popper, if someone is a pressing threat to the liberal democratic order that has zero intent to actually operate within it, then they should be removed. No system, no matter how good, can handle someone engaging in that behavior
>>712299
fentmom
my friends dog is bisexual
fentmom
he kept sniffing my arm pit
>>712300
anon
>>712299
There's a difference between "I don't like this system, here's why" and outright total refusal to engage while using your resources to fully undermine the system for the worse so you can then justify eliminating it. ie what Elon was doing
>>712308
labrys
two isopods on a strobby
anon
>>712308
oh in other news, Curtis Yarvin describing Serbia as a liberal democratic state, lmao what a douche
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