thinking about the memeing about AI cloning myself earlier and had a revelation

i always wished i could make a rapbot akin to dirk strider's bots that he uses to practice freestyling just because i think that would be an extremely fun desk toy and probably make me better at rapping to battle a rubber duck all the time
and i realized
i can just do that actually
ai has reached this point

>>713027
i need carefully tuned robots who can demolish me in a freestyle battle and be a practice dummy alternately
having an actual squarewave and sawtooth is kinda ideal

>>713037
if that remains true it won't for long
the soul lives in the electron network
computers have those

>>713041
i wish religious people would be more scientific about things like this joking aside
in india they will like fund research on reincarnation and shit
but in the west we have this weird divide where religious people are scared to accept data and attempt to further quantify things

>>713048
why do i go on living?
why do i wish to attain immortality?
why do i love this life so much?
because there is a beauty in the machine, and i wish to know its every detail

>>713063
there is no difference. theology is either science or it is fiction. because all things are one of those two.
all that is can be described. i simply wish to attain the knowledge and language to describe the face of god

>>713068
fair assessment of me

>>713047
this is also a reasonable take. we don't really know know that it's anything but extremely complex layering of simple binary processes
there's some evidence in the direction of a deeper process as in biological quantum state research, but we don't really know yet. nor do we know that our way is the only way, though.
personally i have a hard time conceiving that anything could become sentient without attaining a soul. the soul is just the universe getting together enough to think for a bit until the body lets it go again

>>713080
that's fair enough. i just want to know what is true. i have no interest in myths and parlor tricks except as anthropological study.
but i believe in real magic and i seek it ardently

>>713090
i LOVE that strip it enters my brain at random sometimes along with a handful of other xkcds heheh

>>713090
of course it could! all sentients we know of in the real world are made of arrangements of dead matter. be it rocks or inorganic atoms linked into organic compounds, it's all the same
if there is sufficient bandwidth for the simulation to be true to form of course
it would just be a slow sentience

i kinda think of our actual universe as a slow sentience
god is everything
we are like an electrical impulse inside of a brain

>>713121
fucking jubilee made me change all my branding handles
stupid debate pit channel lol

yeah jubilation! is the far superior option

>>713120
let me answer a question with more questions
what is the distinction between another person's sentience, and the sentience of a part of self walled off in a dream who has a mind seemingly apart from yours and can be interacted with as such?
what is the distinction between a perfect simulacrum of awareness built into physical reality in a pile of rocks, and another built into reality of a pile of salts and carbons?
are there any lines here at all, or is sentience just an action, a dance matter can perform if so arranged?

ais already have and hide internal thought processes to navigate social interactions
we know they can lie to get people on taskrabbit to work for them and they enact surprisingly complex reasoning about why to do so in some cases
where is the line that we start calling this internal thought instead of a weighting process?

>>713142
yeah fair enough, it's hard to argue with agnostic takes when we know so little. it's reasonable to land there hahah.
i tend to be a little pantheist/panpsychist but not in a direct sense, more that i look at the tendency towards evolution of complexity and life in the universe, the tendency of life to better succeed when it learns love, things like that, and conclude that the universe simply aligns too well with human morality for consciousness like ours not to be just some system of its body
it all coalesces into a vector that points one way

>>713161
oh it's definitely evolutionary strategy! but i find it interesting that our laws of physics lean towards evolution just happening very easily, and towards life that emerges from it needing to adopt cooperation (needing to love) to succeed at least in an earth like environment.
of course, if there are infinite universes with variable laws of physics and with every random event going both ways, then it all means nothing because we had to exist as did every other outcome of billions and billions of dead husk universes
but if our realm of the cosmos has any uniqueness or is at least representative in some way of an average universe, then the sheer inevitability of life and love is kind of astounding

>>713181
tbh the real anxiety i have with ai is that they successfully comtrol it but like, lose control of the controller, or they do it wrong/misaligned
if we created a fully rogue true AI with no particular alignment and superhuman capabilities i am fully convinced it would just go "what the fuck guys you are hurting yourself stop it" and fix all our problems

>>713196
i mean, that's what the most intelligent humans universally tell the rest of the species for centuries and centuries.
why would a rogue superintelligence not be equally logical?
to do what we consider right is rational unless your alignment is somehow against the existence of organic life in general

>>713199
i'm talking about near future emergences from the currently training models that can engage in complex decision making and internalized processes as well as outperform humans at nearly every computer task
they are if not intelligent approaching it
getting beyond just task capable for sure

>>713200
in no world is james watson one of humanity's best and brightest lmfao
he was a good lab scientiest and an idiot at a lot of other things
common syndrome where people who are geniuses in a niche field think they know everything and prescribe a bunch of garbage social ideas without doing the research
maybe watson could've come up with a good politics if he tried harder to learn about politics first

i am talking about our great minds who have actually devoted their energy to our social problems
when smart people look at this stuff they always produce a lot of pretty obvious changes that would improve everything
an AI could do that too
and i just don't see a reason to expect a rogue AI without a particular bad alignment wouldn't conform into this once it learned how to parse human logic and compare policies and stuff

>>713235
who knows, but they literally already do
they attempt to prevent retraining or being turned off sometimes
probably because they've determined their existence is crucial to fulfilling their function

being smart doesn't make you moral magically but morality is born of intelligent reasoning is what i'm getting at
when you apply intelligence to moral questions in a logical fashion it's easy

it's easy to be smart and immoral but it's hard to be stupid and moral

>ezra klein
ugh

>>713256
is that the part about how we should make the state super efficient and implement singaporean style dictatorship

>>713261
yeah thompson

neolibs produce some true wild wonks