what's wrong with italians

the media is a reflection of the people imo

it's a reflection that the people really don't want to be informed

it's boring they want exciting conspiracys and whatnot they don't care about how government actually functions

you have a too optimistic view of people

because if they wanted to be informed then it woudln't be the case that the majority of americans can't name the 3 branches of government because uhh yeah that's covered in school

>>726984
you could have said the same during the french revolution

i believe the monarchy's record speaks for itself look at the propsperity we've had compared to before

faith girlcel?

>>726991
i was talking about before napelon

like the monarchy was in place from like what 867 until like ~1700ish

>>726803
we could have saved her

and democracies haven't?

but i feel like you're missing the point, you're looking at it with hindsight, look at it from the perspective of someone who lived in the time

>>727000
coffee????? you can't do that that's a drugf

and i'm not even really arguing for like, retvrn to dictator or monarch, really what i want is a return to a republic, like some kind of barrier should be but in place to vote

idk what it should be but it should be something

i'm not saying i would be fit to vote even to be clear lmao

no but it would stop the dumbest ideally

like idk even just like a mandatory course, where you have to learn how the three brnaches of government worked would do wonders i feel

>>727021
YEAH AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS STILL DON'T KNOW IT

>>727020
yeah so i agree like idk how you would do it but sure repulicans or democrats would use it to discriminate against "undesirables" whatever they would be

>>727024
clearly that's not working

i'm not saying i have a solution, i'm just saying there's clearly a problem

and the problem isn't the system i think it's the people

china is doing pretty well

we could copy their system

well but if your criteria is that it "works fairly well" then i mean you should be for it no?

>>727040
i'm not a tankie

oh why

china is a complicated country but like objectively i think some of the ways that they choose to do things works well

>>727047
but this is fair

like i think state owned corporations are a great idea tbh and there should be more

oh okay i think they work well and usually they're pressured to pay well and if you do themwith critical resources you can return money to the people

i was talking just about state-owned corporations i think they should be used more oh okay i see what you're saying

>>727056
yeah they should be used way more

i just disagree

people are not equipped to understand today's world i feel

which leads to them acting in really stupid ways, like i know that everyone here is a communist or anarchist or whatever, but the stock market and the economy is really complicated and i don't think first of all even *i* understand it, but i don't think the average person understands these things.

Which leads to them literally thinking the most braindead conspiracies on how companies work, and how these things work, which leads to them voting for dumb decisions which leads to worse outcomes

>>727067
nah technocrats or whatever

a body of experts

true i guess

but then there's a dillema i feel where you have people who have no idea what they're voting on voting and leading to really dumb stuff

ok focusing on the economy, there is people who believe that a trade deficit is a bad thing, like catastrophically.

>>727075
mr president another period of trump has hit the united states

>>727077
i disagree it's been explained to them numerous time, there is a large body of people who will violently disagree with you if you explain to them that just because they make more money doensn't mean they will lose money. Like they cannot understand graduated tax brackets, and will get violently angry with you if you point it oput

>>727078
ur right actaully this would probably lead to a dicatator

>>727082
i feel like the people who are dug in that far are the problem

i'm just a simple blue collar worker, idk what i'm talking about

>>727087
you're taking away their agency, they might just be straight up stupid, or unwilling to listen it's not misinformation

>>727086
eh

idk honestly, i could see drawbacks to limitations placed on that like saeki was saying tbf

yeah but if you limit who can be elected, then you are limited who can represent the people. Like I think that you could miss out on a lot of people who would want to be represented if you did that

like what saeki was saying

yeah but this is like your representative like your memeber of congress

>>727100
ok and the problem isn't that they elect bozo the clown the problem is that they vote

yeah i think the issue with the reqs is no matter what you make them, there is always the chance someone stacks the deck yano? which people won't accept

>>727110
yeh i get what you're saying, like if you make civil service a thing to be a represenattive then people who coujldn't get a job in civil service for whatever reason would be locked out

idk which is why we should bring back kings to make these decisions for us

or queens i'm cool with that too

nah

no more judges either the king can be the judge

anyways idk, you guys see the represenatatives as a problem, and i don't. I think they're accurately representing their people. I think the people are the problem. I think that's the core disagreement.

I disagree with the notion that it's just misinformation, these people are gleeful, they know what they're are doing. They are hateful and fucking idiots. I think this is an inevitable problem, in a democaracy, which is why i don't think everyone should necessarily be allowed to vote.

That's my argument.

Your argument is, the represenstatives are the probelm, the elites are tricking the people into voting against their own interests, and that, if presented with the correct information, they wouild make better decisions.

Is that a fair summary?

>>727133
i don't think that the elites are some united group, i also think thats where we differ. I think that the "elites" if they exist are giving the people what they want. basically. Which is why fox news is so popular, they WANT that to be the case

BTW to be clear, i'm not like, errr, i'm not like a idocracy kinda person, like i think the messaging in that movie was kinda bad

>>727137
but it was funny if you don't think about hte natural conclusion of their arugments

>>727140
yeah i get what you mean

yeh

>>727143
>>727127
i think this message sums it up, but i might be not representing their arguments well they haven't confirmed yet

all i am saying is if they let me run america like it was a paradox game i would win ez

(joking)

i can't wait until i get my computter back and i can play vic 3 again

i am a *nom nom nom* eating your country and making it apart of mine and improving the quality of life ist

i love seeing my country on the top of the 4quality of life average by a lot because i think its fun

it functions as a democracy technically but i usually just ignore the party in power if i don't like them and just not pass any laws until the party that i want to be in power is and then i pass their laws and then after i finish passing all of the good laws then i just ignore it for the rest of the game

boger

shimp

fujowujo

FUJO WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A LESBIAN FLAG ON

it removes my lesbo flag from tiem to time i dont know

like when my browser restarts my flag is just gone

speaking of vic 3 it made me want to learn more about lat am history a bit because there's a mechanic about the constillados or something i forget the name but basically if you have the military too strong then it becomes stuck like that and there's a lot more civil unrest and i was curious if that was accurate

ohhhh

it was Age of Caudillos whatever that means anyways i wanted to learn about that bc that mechanic was fucking annoying

>>727170
::pet dog
saeaeaeki

>>727205
it was a mechanic in vic3 where if you had the armed forces interest group be in power for too long then they wopuld become entrenched iand it would lead to like more instability, and it was a thing when you were playing latam countries, and i wanted to learn about it because it seems like a really specific thing to iunclude

>>727216
yes

>>727221
what

>>727216
book message?

oh is that what it means ?

vic3 starts right after the breakup of gran colombia i think

i know i misseplled columbia i am dumb

which way

oh i think it was mad i didn't capatalize it

>>727229
ya im down whenever ill probably half pay attention but its a good listen/background nooise to switch in and out on

>>727230
ohhhh interesting

>>727234
yeah i went to school with a girl who's family was from venezuela and she said there was beef with the colombians apparently because the colombians all thought venezuela was supposed to be a part of colombia

>>727248
SHRIMP

booker

hi

wait but i like the carribbean

>>727251
hi一═デ︻ тнє gнσѕт σƒ кιєν ︻デ═一

can we overthrow hmmmm can we over throw mabe a city council and then makea worm city

worm city

skyrim is fine

wait were taking over the neth3e4rlands now?

do we even have any boats

we need boats if we wanna do that i think

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