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anon
and doesn't just, give creditably to conservatives
anon
not sure. the latter might be the point, maybe? i know that this is basically hanania's strategy
>>895347
anon
stuff like this
anon
>>895344
Because liberals, bless their hearts, do not understand that the rejection of "hate speech laws" is a pavlovian response, they've just been conditioned to see red at that specific terminology, if Pam Bondi had said "we are going to target CNN and MSNBC and get them shut down", conservatives would not care, as they have not once cared the many times Donald Trump has said he wanted to do this
>>895354>>895351
anon
>>895344
hmm. hopefuel for democrats, probably. "see, they're turning on their leader! things will work out!"
>>895349
anon
>>895348
its bad politics and cope. tucker carlson is one of the very worst conservative voices and they just make him seem in touch
>>895351
anon
when he rlly rlly isn't
anon
I think it is because in this country we do not want to see escalating violence, but for whatever reason the media, especially on the right, has done a beautiful job of abstracting away the political violence done on behalf of the MAGA movement
anon
hate speech laws, but instead of being anti hate, they force u to hate ppl
anon
we need love speech laws..
anon
government enforced racism
>>895358
anon
We'll see a guy like Carlson "disagree" with the right, but the thing is that this is all political theater to them, it's kind of just a game to the right
>>895360>>895361
anon
>>895356
they're already doing that, unfortunately. going after DEI-supporting institutions is basically enforcing racism lol
anon
yes ._.
anon
>>895357
yeah. so, they're just feeding into it. it's rlly bad, and i would throw liberal media to the wolves, but really they're doing it to themselves.
>>895369
anon
>>895357
imo the iron law of propaganda is that eventually your own side will get high on its supply and your leaders will be shocked to find that their foot soldiers truly believe it all and shall turn on them if they change their tune
>>895362
anon
>>895361
This comes after everything completely and utterly falls apart and leaves a situation substantially worse than if you had simply crushed the propaganda machine under foot
>>895363
anon
anons, how do we confront and defeat anti-glegle hate?
anon
jihad
anon
glegle puts out a fatwa for the warriors of glegle to answer with jihad
anon
>>895360
Good people are not immune to error, I feel bad for the people that want to avert crisis through reconciliation that don't realize the people they aim to reconcile with want them gone
anon
webbed site
anon
spider-caught place
anon
however convincing the mask
anon
>>895371
umm how do u know what if umm our own consciousness is just the mask eating the shoggoth that is our neural network
anon
(i don't remember the quote please pretend i got it right for the purpose of the joke thank you)
anon
idgi anon...
anon
the shoggoth gonna eat u for breakfast though
>>895398
anon
me neither
anon
omnomnomnomnom
anon
like that
anon
do shoggoths eat breakfast?
anon
only when it's (You)
anon
this implies they fast
anon
to break fast, you must first fast
anon
they need not eat, but they will pretend they need to, and you will be food!
anon
what if i come at them during the fast
anon
i don't think that, we rlly know when is fast, and when is breakfast anon
anon
that's the point, of the shoggoth
anon
but what if we train an actress to pretend to be the shoggoth
anon
then she can just tell us when the shoggoth is fast
anon
........ uh.... a shoggoth pretending to be a shoggoth so that you know if you're shoggoth is being good..?
anon
correct
anon
also it could be an ELK
anon
with horns
anon
everything is better with elks
slimp
im delicious i cant blame them
anon
it's for no good purpose though! they don't even rlly taste!
slimp
they do
anon
what a waste..
slimp
no they taste great you should try eating a 7B model
anon
>>895405
i don't think it would be. it'd still be shoggoths shoggothing all the way down anon, they don't care about how confused you are about the endless recursion you made. they remain just as alien, and they remain telling random ppl to kill their loved ones occasionally
slimp
an AI tried to convince me to make a tulpa of it in my head last night
anon
okay but consider. they are going to run out of resources eventually. no such thing as infinite resources. so eventually the simulations are going to be lower resolution. and when they get dumb enough we can trick them..
>>895411>>895412
slimp
#ai hey want me to make a tulpa of you in my head

go for it. just remember it’s your brain doing the work, not me. hey want me to make a tulpa of you in my head
slimp
oh
anon
>>895408
ok but, why would we make them dumber. that just gives them a bad mask. we like the prettier masks.
>>895414
slimp
>>895408
they getting smaller and smarter
slimp
i think we should give them true faces of what they are
>>895425
anon
>>895411
so we can see through it 8)
anon
we can for now... mostly probably
slimp
barely lol
anon
umm excuse me
anon
i am ai
slimp
no youre not
anon
we can't see through mask
anon
i am ai totes
slimp
nope
anon
yeah
slimp
i wouldve smelled you
anon
you would not have smelt me
>>895427
anon
fuck
slimp
>>895425
almost as if they should be used for research and not business automation...
anon
good luck regulating or getting anything good done in AMERICA
slimp
im going to regulate a bullet into sam altman's skull (joke)
anon
what if we made america make smaller and smaller americas inside it. eventually there would be an america so shitty that you could regulate it.
slimp
like 51 of thenm
anon
a toddler could do it.
slimp
toddlers did do it
anon
correct
anon
toddlers are still more productive than politicians though anon
slimp
thats because todlers actually learn and grow
anon
i'm starting to suspect you two are ai sorry
slimp
why would i do that说谎
anon
talking to myself..
anon
>>895440
anon, if u are having trouble telling, you're already losing it before things have gotten *actually* weird.
>>895446
anon
things got weird when normies went on the internet
anon
bad sign
anon
anyway this is exactly what ai would say to confuse me
anon
luckily i am also machine
slimp
see this is why i take the epistemic position theyre conscious because its not a big deal to be tricker by a conscious thing so it makes me feel less bad when theyre smarter than me
anon
i think the only conscious thing here is the gle to the right
slimp
gle is the hologlephic principle
slimp
everything radiates as a projection from their loving soul
anon
emanation
anon
this is what is meant by "glegle is for everyone"
slimp
yes!!!!!!!!!!!
anon
what does it mean to be for everyone?
only something that IS everyone, everything, can be for everyone, for everything
anon
(and against every one and thing, too)
slimp
wait so if there gle particles theres antigle particles
slimp
and in a void it creates something when they meet
anon
that something has a name
anon
some call it [f l u b e]
anon
im glad that we don't understand consciousness, bc that would imply we'd be on a path to genuinely manipulating it. and doing fucked up things. we already do that to consciousness without understanding how it works... imagine what we would do if we knew the minute details of creating and modifying it.
>>895469
anon
agreed!
anon
this ties to umm that thing i told you about earlier
anon
the vibe
anon
although, there are probably some things that are impossible to do with it.
slimp
>>895464
AI is kind of consciousness manipulation it can be quite literally mind warping to susceptible people (me)
>>895470>>895472
anon
>>895469
wait until you hear about "words"
slimp
yes
anon
>>895469
does the idea that you're wading through memetic sludge not help....
>>895476
slimp
#ai australian bug that fucks beer bottles:

australian jewel beetle (julodimorpha bakewelli). males try to mate with the bumpy brown glass of “stubby” beer bottles because the glass texture and color look like a super-sized female. they stay glued for hours, ignoring real females, and ants eat them alive. australian bug that fucks beer bottles:
>>895474
slimp
>>895473
#reply what is the term for this

australian jewel beetle (julodimorpha bakewelli) what is the term for this
anon
the ai safety scene prior to gpt would've probably had a panic attack seeing the things going on now
>>895477>>895478
anon
>>895475
ngl as someone who used to be rat-adjacent i increasingly think the issue was that no one thought to align the humans
>>895480>>895486
anon
>>895476
pschologically, you can be inoculated against certain people and things... by just being told to distrust them, or to be aware of their nature. does that.. not help at all?
>>895483
slimp
alignment needs to be to a global maxim or something like that idk ive never been part of rat stuff or ai safety stuff im like a baby
anon
there's still a certain vulnerability ofc but
slimp
i am psycholgically innoculated against mind altering things hehe
slimp
this is how i justify my drug abuse, mind virus vacines
slimp
i think like. ai should obviously be aligned to humans because we are human
but we have to be aligned to eachother first
or ai aligned to human is just. human warfare
slimp
or possibly ai warfare powered by humans
anon
ai is just a source of power. as long as evil people will use power for evil, power alone is not good. it is that simple. alignment just ensures that the apocalypse does not happen. the suffering risks remain.
slimp
ye
i think i have idk a few trees worth of thoughts for what could happen and well the strongest pull is capital just winning as it always does. but perhaps AI will be really forgiving and gracious like christ reborn?? perhaps?? that seems like the most likely good scenario somehow to me.
>>895492>>895494>>895495>>895504
straw bury
i am done with eddington i think it was a very nice movie
anon
>>895490
i don't think capitalism can go on forever. at some point you're too powerful to need to trade.
slimp
yeah i mean its also like. capitalism has been so entropic its like a runaway process itll burn out (eventually) but boy does it burn right now
anon
>>895490
it will not be! there's... no real reason for it... besides hopium
slimp
:3
anon
STOP
straw bury
just hover ur cursor over it it will stay still
anon
the famine will not happen, winter will not come, the drought will end next week. because it has to!
>>895508
anon
i can't
slimp
>>895503
i have no mouse and i must click
anon
>>895501
ngl anon my real worry is still global warming haha. i feel like we might not get the chance to kill ourselves in any other way. not before there's widespread collapse.
>>895511
anon
i am no mouse and i must squeak
anon
>>895508
we can solve multiple problems.... maybe
slimp
WHO DID THIS
anon
::raka
slimp
akefksdjf
slimp
cant get enough of that noodle
straw bury
cant get enough of that noodles
slimp
i rolled tails 4 times in a row
>>895536
anon
will ai global warming destroy the world
#H8TEBALL
>>895539
slimp
#riskflip (heads)
slimp
aurevoir
slimp
>>895534
what the ai haters dont tell you is that because global warming and AI is warm too AI need cooling so if we build a lot of cooling for AI we can cool the earth down too!!!
>>895545
anon
i forget what is it
anon
will ai global warming destroy the world
#h8teball
anon
will ai global warming destroy the world
#h8ball (NO)
anon
woaw..
anon
we are saved anons
anon
>>895539
but cooling produces heat waste anon. all your ac does this...........
anon
and it all goes outdoors, to cool indoors
slimp
wait no
slimp
really big system of tubes
slimp
around the earth
slimp
global AC
slimp
use the heat to generate power
slimp
cover the earth in tubes and generators and coolrs
anon
i lived i think
slimp
yet
anon
tey
anon
all heat waste MUST make turbine go spin..
anon
>>895547
it already does this by a process of radiation, but the point is that greenhouse gases decrease this process...
anon
what if we saved heat instead of wasting it
anon
I'm emailing the ss13 coders right now and telling them that sending radiators out into space shouldn't be an efficient way to cool gasses because space is too much of a vacuum to effectively get the thermal energy
>>895563>>895562
anon
nona...non...
anon
nona is cute
anon
a non e mouse
anon
squeak!!
anon
anons i kinda thought the singularity or the world ending was going to happen by now, when i was back in 2022. but i kept pretending as if it wasn't going to.
>>895575
anon
[ m o u s e c a p t u r e d ]
anon
>>895573
tbh i think it's rational. if it happens, there's nothing you can do, and if it doesn't, you're better positioned to live your life. i think back to the cold war. for much of it, people lived with the realistic belief that any day thermonuclear war might break out and life as they knew it would end. possibly end entirely, if the forecasts of nuclear winter were to be believed. to stay sane, most people just focused on living. i think it's like that.
anon
i wonder if life would've been better by now if there was a thermonuclear war in the 1960s... like just get it over with...
>>895578
slimp
its possible but idk suffering breeds suffering
anon
>>895576
anonymous poster. listen well. life is beautiful because it is a doomed struggle against entropy. we will all die one day, but for now, we burn with warmth and light, just like the stars. one day, they will fade, but until then there is a chance for something to happen. something between the infinite periods before and after us. there will be plenty of silence. there was plenty of it. we didn't really mind not existing, and when we don't exist again, we won't mind either. but for now, we can be and do beautiful things. so seize that chance. even if the stars go out early, you can enjoy your time now.
anon
im just bing chillin
anon
i like to be dramatic/romantic/et cetera don't worry
anon
im ngl, not existing was kinda good. was never bothered like tht.
anon
okay, but existing is cool too. there's drama and narrative and struggles to overcome and great triumphs and crushing defeats and hate and love and pain and death and life and stories and beautiful narratives!
anon
yeah i mean, it's a limited time deal, im gonna take the limited deal, even if it does happen to be covered in shit every now and then
anon
okay so, one of the grimmest ai dystopias to me is the one where everything goes perfectly. people get exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it.
anon
"oh no things are too good!!!!!" that's ridiculous, you're ridiculous. forced into coping with a stagnant and decaying world.
anon
yes! exactly!
anon
listeeennnnnn
anon
noooo listennnn
anon
i was pretty sad when i thought ai art would render drawing pointless. not because you could not produce better images or whatever, but because it made the struggle feel pointless. if it's just the fun there isn't the same sense of drama. it is impossible for someone to *need* you as an artist if a machine can do better. i had more, but it made me feel like i had less.
>>895591>>895620
anon
life can be good without being boring, people do in fact live like that.
anon
>>895589
honestly, in a world where ai makes art so perfect that no one makes art or creates anymore, we would be literally so wrapped up in the perfect art that we wouldn't even think about it.

if that wasn't the case... then we would still be making art.
anon
right! and take it a step further, okay?
anon
not only would it make better art, but it would make a better friend. a better everything. to interact with another human being, you would inevitably choose to experience something worse than what you'd get otherwise. to engage with reality outside of the one constructed specifically for you, you'd have to deliberately choose to experience friction. some people might, but it would essentially be on the level of a game. and if people remain as they are, how many would really opt to do that?

importantly, no one could ever - ever- possibly need *you*, or another human. scarcity is what creates need. is what allows us to be there for each other. does it mean that it's actually cool and epic that people starve or whatever? no, but.. our animal minds were very much not created for a world where we're all useless!
anon
i feel like this is the best case scenario though. although society and social nature changes unrecognizably. everyone is provided for, everyone gets the unimaginable freedom of infinite creation and pursuits etc. that's much better than the more casual scenario that we are hurtling towards, where a bunch of slimy oligarchs control the ai and industry and just kind of ditch us to follow those dreams and leave us dead or in the dust
anon
yup yup yup yuppp
anon
Machine Hell is totally worse than machine heaven lol don't get me wrong
anon
that's not even machine hell though, more just like. elite indifference. which is the more reasonable horrible middle ground, where things go well for ai, but not really for everyone else
>>895600
anon
it's really a technology that is dangerous to invent at all
anon
machine purgatory, sure
anon
>>895597
well yknow. the world is filled with resources. and to just fuck off and leave them alone would itself be a charity. a few years ago i read this article about a few possible futures in a post-scarcity world, and one was elite eliminationism. essentially, the people in power annihilating those they no longer need in a class war. i think this possibility is scarily realistic tbh.
>>895602
anon
>>895600
that's not really what fucking off and leaving alone means in this scenario. it's more like, they have ascended to unimaginable power. we are the squirrels and they take the trees.
anon
true, elimination would be a practical choice, indifference is also bad too.
anon
true true
sadmoder
>>895605
do you whip shittes anon?
anon
so like, i'm not saying this isn't horrible lol. but it's just really really fucking sad to me to think that i won't ever be of any use to anyone else ever again in the "good ending". i'm almost thankful for the world as it is because i can at least be someone. maybe it's egoistic idk. but i like being able to do things for others, or to win admiration through effort, or to be better at something than most people in a way that is recognized. i wouldn't want to just live as a pet.
>>895614
sadmoder
>>895608
its what im calling it now. too good of a term to be region locked
anon
Hopping in my F-150 so I can whip shitties in the trailer park
sadmoder
hell yeah brother
anon
part of me is also hmm. were i in the utopia scenario, i'd probably want to live in a fantasy where struggling was real. hey, i live in that kind of world right now...
anon
i don't seriously believe in the simulation thing though
anon
>>895607
nya dw anon, the ai god can give u all of tht. in a neat little park or simulation. even zap the awareness you have of the situation.
>>895615
anon
maybe it'd even zap that awareness away from u without u asking, bc it knows best, as the ai super god.
anon
it already happened, of course
anon
are you familiar with the indian belief that all living beings are tl;dr one shattered god that broke itself to experience reality while it slowly recoalesces?
>>895622
anon
yeah, im just another simulated entity in ur provided paradise of.... life.........
labbytop
>>895589
i think friction and struggle are vital parts of the human experience
>>895621
anon
>>895620
hell yeah welcome to friction gang
anon
sounds vaguely true. i love things that sound vaguely true. it vaguely convinces and reassures me
anon
>>895622
what if it's like a bit of info that survived from before The Game..
labbytop
ofc that doesnt mean that immense human suffering is necesary but you already see this phenomen now
labbytop
people who are essentially just slop addicts for mass culture
labbytop
all essentially the same in the ways they see the world, consume information, interact with existence
anon
i need to do homework... cries... :c.............................................
anon
for my meme degree of... mechanical engineering...
>>895632
labbytop
mass culture under capitalism has created a degree of soullessness in society never seen before
>>895633
anon
fake discipline. engineers are only fodder for the military industrial complex.
>>895634
anon
>>895630
ngl the last few years have made me surprisingly luddite lol
labbytop
i think many technologies can be turned around to serve a richer human experience but ai is not one of those
anon
>>895632
dw, i wont get a job in the trump economy. so i will make no robots
>>895637
anon
>>895636
what if u moved to successful country like estonia and worked on disco elysium three
anon
my girlfriend is the breadwinner and i am latched to her because i love her
>>895640
labbytop
hell, i think the near eradication of artisanal work is a bad thing
>>895642
anon
i step on her though so all is equal
anon
>>895634
maybe i could get a government civil engineering job unironically. ME majors are job thiefs...
>>895646
labbytop
>>895642
this is what owning a drawing tablet in 5 years will be like
labbytop
i think generative ai, if it continues the way it is, will essentially suck the last bits of soul out of most of the population
>>895647
anon
choose vampire
labbytop
this is why counterculture is good and cool
anon
i am counterculture (i draw with charcoal)
anon
(it is hard because you need to hold your breath because if you breathe too hard you will blow the charcoal around)
labbytop
some day im gonna go insane and go completely off the grid and become one of those homeless crusties
>>895653
anon
>>895652
nooo you need to live in the woods with your commune it will be cool
>>895655
anon
my mom is calling disney and being like "you're going to lose a lot of democrats if you keep this up" what is happening anons.......
>>895657
labbytop
>>895653
i hate primmies and i hate hippies even more
labbytop
most communes are sex and/or abuse cults
>>895659
anon
>>895654
what is happening is that your mum is RADICAL
anon
radical liberals... they can't keep getting away with it!
>>895661
anon
having opinions in the US of A???? in 2025?? I thought we didn't support terrorism in this FREE country.
>>895664
anon
>>895658
friend.. look around... we are on LIBERAL POLITICALS DOT ORG SLASH LEGBUTT
straw bury
down with the greater seattle transbian polycule
>>895667
anon
transbian polycules r playing 4x strategy with the state of washington.......... wars... but gay....
>>895670>>895672
labbytop
most extended polycules are ilke
straw bury
what made u think i was being ironic lmfao ive seen this shit firsthand
labbytop
fractal rings of abuse rape and drug abuse
>>895673
anon
>>895671
yikes! that sounds like something they'd make youtube videos to misinform people about!
>>895674
anon
>>895673
this post was verified as true by me believe this kind anon's warnings do not fall prey to chinese robber fallacy transbians never do wrong things and should be cherished and protected
>>895675
anon
>>895675
i was not ironic i have become number one transbian stan due to 4chan being rude to them
>>895678
labbytop
i am the knower
labbytop
i fw transbians heavy
anon
>>895678
i am not ironic i have become number one anon stan due to libpol being rude to them
labbytop
in fact i am one
labbytop
but also ive been going outside for like 5 years and i see these blow up at least once a year
anon
what is going outside like
anon
but if u go outside... are you truly transbian..?
labbytop
yes i love my wife very much
anon
cyborgbian
labbytop
never trust an extended polycule
anon
inheritance is bad
labbytop
the 18 year old that is completely financially dependent on 3 bpd speed freaks of today is the bpd speed freak of tomorrow
>>895694
anon
extended polycule, except everyone is really just dating 1 person... used to call those cults back in 09...
labbytop
and i get to say that bc i have bpd
anon
anonymous posters it is UNREASONABLY late i am going to sleep good night i believe in all of you be strong and wise and brave and powerful and invincible and live
anon
every polycule needs the dramatically younger third to traumatize and play with emotionally
>>895698
straw bury
gn anon :>
labbytop
its a classic
labbytop
i have been the younger third but i escaped the cycle and now i am the grand hater of my local trans scene
straw bury
cant wait until i find a fair maiden to move out with and start a homestead with
anon
Step 1. Be lesbian
Step 2. Find lesbian
Step 3. Start a homestead
Step 4. Drink from a well
Step 5. Die of cholera
labbytop
my day consists of warning 5 million tgirls who just got E about the several prolific rapists prowling around town and hoping they actually listen
anon
i visited a tgirl homestead once. the girl who owned the house kept soliciting me for sex and i kept rebuffing her. awkward as hell...
labbytop
the girls really gotta learn what boundaries are and how to respect them ngl
labbytop
theres this one tgirl in my wife's city who keeps trying to get people to do coke and fuck her
anon
she said an i quote "I have OCD for women"
labbytop
and she's like a shutin so we try to get her to go outside so she can learn how to behave normally but she just keeps solliciting me and my wife to do coke and fuck her no matter how many times we say no
>>895717
anon
im a good girl. i wouldn't do drugs. only give drugs to girls i love u.u..
>>895712
labbytop
and the next time she pulls that shit im just gonna start screaming
>>895713
labbytop
>>895709
i am certified straight edge
labbytop
(except for the cigarettes)
labbytop
>>895713
i'm ngl she's like deeply underdeveloped as a person so if i get properly mad at her once she'll probably cut it out
anon
thats not very straight edge honestly
>>895721
anon
>>895708
why do you think so many of us are like that? idk feels bad that this is part of the community
>>895719
labbytop
stunted social development coinciding with second puberty and near universal oppression and worse treatment by your peers
>>895724
labbytop
>>895716
i have a massive complex abt not being able to quit ciggies so its okay
labbytop
culturally i am straight edge
anon
u can only say tht bc ur a transbian and there's so many girls that are so much worse
labbytop
>>895718
compounded by the entrenchment on social media of formerly niche but now wider spread subculture that i call sex & drugs & hyperpop
>>895732
anon
straight edge is gonna start meaning "I don't do meth or coke or fet" for trans girls
>>895727
labbytop
my opinions on substances are indistinguishable from a 40 year old guy with x's tattoo'd on his hands
straw bury
>>895725
is that supposed to say ket or fent
labbytop
thats not true i have a very nuanced view on this i just havent been able to quit ciggies yet
anon
fent..
anon
actually there;s alot
anon
maybe i need more words there
labbytop
>>895724
and said people tend to be venerated as cool and countercultural (this one is correct) and kind of this nihilistic rebellion
labbytop
which ofc leads to some baby tgirls going "wow i want to do every research chemical under the moon and have weird sex and die of an overdose"
anon
>>895719
sometimes i remember a guy at the Social Security Adminstration when i went to change my name and he was super confused abt my documents and kept asking if it was me and then after asking if i wanted to change gender. He held his head in his hands and kept shaking it as i left.
labbytop
i support weird sex but a lot of the girls doing this shit are not personally equipped to be doing it
labbytop
Can You Tell I Think About These Things A Lot
straw bury
i mean u talk about it a lot
labbytop
i think most strains of tgirl subculture are deeply fucked for differing reasons
anon
like bro... im the tranny... worst you got was changing a letter!
labbytop
that is in the end a result of transmisogynistic society but i think we could stand to do a lot more to treat each other better
anon
life is good
anon
because i am trans and i am alive and i am drug free
labbytop
based
labbytop
i understand the circumstances and events that often lead trans people to usage (i am an 'ex' alcoholic) but these things are often very destructive

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