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「Immortality and population control」

anon
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Okay, so the issue that most keeps me up at night is how to handle resources when the universe hits carrying capacity.

I can imagine increasing the carry capacity of the universe by an astronomically huge factor, but unless I can develop a method to conjure energy from literal nothingness I think it will always eventually be a problem that we will not be able to support sentient life if that life is allowed to multiply at will. Even worse if we develop clinical immortality(not magical immortality, people just don't die permanently unless they want to).

Off the top of my head, I would suggest that if you opt for immortality, it should cost you the ability to reproduce. This is actually doable. If the method of immortality is creating an AI version of your mind, it would be possible to totally destroy and leave behind the genetic code to create your gametes, making it impossible to have a child in a genetically meaningful way.

However, the real issue is the huge, natural human nature reflex against population control. I say population control and you hear, "...naaaazi shit." And this impulse is real and something we need to tackle in order to solve this problem.
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Anonymous
wow I was going to write something good but I just epic failed
anon
So you bring up situations that are hypotheticals and not real right now but advocate for population control because of said hypothetical situations?
anon
>>278715
i don't know, will this ever really happen. the UNIVERSE???

if we have seamless mind uploading then we will also have seamless cloning and reproduction. if we're at the point where this is even a consideration then probably there won't exist any biological life anywhere anyway since it's so inefficient
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>>278715
It solves itself because you make less and less people the closer you approach post scarcity and peak education saturation levels.
SadChan🍉🍉
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>>278715
If you think this concept is interesting I highly recommend Greg Egan's Diaspora one of my all time favorite books I recommend it constantly and it discusses a lot of the things you are asking wrapped in a very neat but of speculative fiction.
>>285271
anon
>>285231
i love that one! all the gender stuff and polis society stuff is v cool, also really adore Wang's Carpets
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anon
>>278715
i think this specific issue is one best left to the future to decide. we don't know the carrying capacity of the universe, we don't even really know how to find it out, we can make some very rough estimates but those are going to change.

what we do need to do is make sure we don't lose the ability to decide things collectively at all. it's easy to envision a multipolar far future where people, whatever they end up looking like by then, can't coordinate on decisions like this and we end up in a malthusian nightmare. we should avoid doing things that are likely to put us there.
anon
idk. the bar i'd put it is, probably several more zeroes added to the end of our current population, but our ability to assess what that number should be is going to be more accurate once we're actually at that point - right now, that's not even remotely a concern
anon
I know in some settings, people are able to clone their minds ad infinitum or modify them in various ways to create new individuals, though of course that's constrained on computing power
anon
Human nervous tissue is fairly efficient drawing around, 20 watts per person? But in the future, we might find even more efficient ways of running consciousness, especially once you depart from the realm of biochemistry
anon
are postrat boymoders real?
>>291631
i like sad things
>>285271
he wrote a novella too about a society that gender bent to get pregnant that was pretty cool, and also that had brain algae
anon
>>278715
If we beat entropy/obtain energy from "nothing" then we should be able to sustain an infinite number of beings (digital or biological)
anon
Neomalthusianism is so 80s, we're manufacturing natural gas right now
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