>>196252
I think its more the other countries who get made when we keep our heritage part of our identity, which is a you problem xD

Like if I say oh Im Italian, and ESL italian person will be like UHHHH NO YOUR NOT which tbh is literally them
1. not understanding what heritage means to americans and
2. literally not understanding what 'being italian' beans in American English

>>196260
im curious, do u consider a chinese person in chile just chilean? or do you call them chinese.

>>196265
>>196265
>no other country has immigration like we do.
this 100%. no other country really understands what its like to have a different culture in EVERY household on the block.

>>196264
yea thats fair, just wondering... i think its also important to remmebr we are just talking about like... other people.

We are nice here no one is attacccc anyone else :)

>>196271
100% if you mix up wethere someone is puerto rican or dominican in NYC fr watch the fuck out ahahaha

Yea it was very productive hearing ur side of it Nadia

>>196276
Nah, its okay. Like, its just an American thing that I don't think a foreigner can really understand until you come here.

>>196280
well america had this whole thing called chattle slavery and the civil rights movement and we care A LOT about ethnicity now xD

like, either celebrating diversity and being as welcoming as possible or jsut the racistrs lol

>>196284
its not really like that. well it is in the case of specifically black americans because their communities are devestated by racist redlining and the follow on economic effects of slavery.

but in general heritage is something that is celebrated. people keep a deep personal connection to their home countries even if its superficial. you arent going to logic away our deep cultural ties to the hundreds of homelands we all originate from.

its just not something someone who isnt american can understand I think.

that said I 100% understand hating american posers who come to chilean being like "im chilean" and barely speaking the language and doing things that are socially awkward because they dont know the culture and stuff

>>196286
I mean didnt all the super brutal spanish plantation owners / genociders basically just interbreed with the natives to the point that you cant tell them apart anymore

>>196291
well they killed way more people I think idk. ive learned a lot about colonialism and I genuinely would think that spanish colonialism was hte most brutal of all the colonial empires except maybe belgium. belgium was crazy.

I think if you made a Evil Colonialism teir list Spain is number 1 - S rank

the population of indiginous peoples in south america is estimate to have declined by 90-95% by the 17th century. :O

>>196298
yea I was thinking this as I was looking it up like. I am genuinely interested by the natives were cut by 95% in both north and south america pretty much.

>>196300
yea thats america too tbh. but ive read accounts of the brutality of the plantation owners and its pretty sickening. its the same shit as happened in america but 200 years earlier and people just kind of get more violent and horrible the farther back in time u go.

the only thing that changes is the scale of destruction imo, idk maybe thats really ignorant

like genghis khan killed millions of people in a single week when he burned samarkhand to the ground that doesnt really compare to WWII where its like, a years long grind where there was at least an Attempt (TM) to treat POWs and captured civilians.

the empires of ages passed would have just executed everybody.

>>196306
I just wrote a paper about how Europeans genuinely had to construct a narrative of MORAL superiority over indiginous peoples to justify their genocide and colonialism.

the average european genuinely thought natives were lucky and should be grateful to labor for htem

ofc there were lots of people who pushed back against that

Like the tempest is allegorically a critique on europeans need to be morally superior to the stupid gross native person

thats why all the way up until the 1900s europeans and americans were still drawing black people as like evil rapey big lipped demons and such

you have to create an entire cultural narrative about how bad this group is so you dont feel bad when you do the most evil shit imaginable to them.

>>196317
is that like Las Casas and how he petitioned the spanish king to limit the landowners to enslave natives?

I really disagree but maybe we just learn different things in different countries. Ive read a few papers about spanish colonialism and it really seems like that doesnt happen until after centuries of genocide and exploitation and then there was a redefining of mixed native identities later

like the text Democrates alter, sive de iustis belli causis apud Indos is specifically calling all natives sodomites and rapists as justification for the landowners laws and why the New Laws of Las Casas were rejected by the king (also there was a sort of civil war when the crown tried to enforce it own the landowners)

>>196323
not sure if its a language miscommunic ation but we do consider that genocide in europe. the destruction of religion, language, cultural identity. the indios schools

i think it depends on ur definition of genocide but the brutal forced conversion to catholicism would be considered genocide today, and also it was an apartheid state because european spandiards had more rights in their legal system than latam born spaniards, evne if they had no native blood.

>>196329
yea maybe, I guess its more a caste system?

what does apartheid get defined as?

#ai define what an apartheid country is

an apartheid country is one where a dominant racial or ethnic group enforces systemic segregation and discrimination against other groups through laws and policies, denying them basic rights, political representation, and economic opportunities. historically, south africa's regime was the most notorious example, but the term might be used for any state maintaining similar oppressive structures. define what an apartheid country is

yeh i see i see

There were definitely big differences in how the british and french colonized north america and the spanish colonized south america i have some interesting papers pulled up. i think colonialism is just bad.

the spanish def did the same shit as the british and french though and created narratives of native barbarism and ugliness. that they were all godless rapey nasty creatures who deserve slvaery for being so horrible. they jsut responded in different ways.

I know in modern mexico that native peopels still have a huge problem with accessing political representation and the government almost never builds infrastructure in native areas because they just dont have any power in government so they are super disenfranchised in that country to this day. and its also an example of how there was cultural genocide, like how dia de los muertes and all saints day are aztec holidays that they created to convert the people to catholicism, they built churches on top of the aztec holy sites and temples that people would make pilgrimages too.

yea but that wasnt spain tho

I would just heavily caution revisionist history that paints your country in a more favorable light. The death toll was so incredibly massive and the spread of disease so powerful there is no way there werent entire cultures that were wiped out. There are people in america who distort history to make the genocide of natives in north america 'not that bad'.

>>196346
I kind of get it too. like for me I think there is an incentive to not believe my country and history are completely evil and there were lots of good things america did too.

I think americans, well left leaning americans, are extremely motivated to examine the horrors of the past and call colonialism out for what it is.

I also something that gets lost in history is all the people who spoke out against the genocides, slavery and such. Like people knew in 1500 that this shit was insanely evil and did it anyway. There was no "people just had different values then". Many people, especially relgious people, spoke out against slavery and genocide at the time. Abolitionism in america goes back to the very first years of the country in the 1700s. And those voices often get lost to history.

>>196351
no way. no way they didnt know. if they "thought they were doing their best" then they are literal animals who deserve total death.

There was a video I watched on liveleak that haunts me to this day of a bunch of guys in mexico city setting fire to a a chihuahua and laughing and cheering while it burns to deaht. its screams were horrible. it screamed for almost a minute and a half before it stopped moving. it was one of the most unambiguously evil things ive ever seen in my life.

people are evil. people are good. there are evil people in the world. I dont make excuses for evil anymore.

maya are extinct but their genes still exist in yucatan and oxaxaxaxaaxa

maya were pretty much extinct by the aztec tho

>>196357
I learned about them. they predate the incas by hundreds of years and had a unique pottery and tool culture in like 200AD or smth

I think they were mostly extinct by the time the incas rose to power before the spanish arrived

enslavement, wanton killing, destruction of the language and cultlure, banning of the religion, forced conversion, indian schools, mass forced remigration

>>196369
then the north american natives didnt get genocided because we still have all their languages and culture preserved today...

>>196372
it was older than the incas, it might not really have even been around except for one or two villages by the time of the spaniards, but I also think that there are probalby dozens of culutures that were completely exterminatedan d just like america it was only the biggest native nations that survived into the modern era (the sioux, the iriqois, the blackfoot, the mohawk etc as compared ot the aztec, the inca, the maya)

I think its a bit wierd but i dont want 2 press it and make anyone feel badd like nadia said it happend 500 years ago.

I think there might be an element of not wanting to be as bad as the british which is well tbh every country Ive talked to copes like that xD

its just wierd to not call it genocidee I think

its like if you said "Im 99% sure the holocaust happened"

why would you say 99%

what are you saying by leaving room for doubt lol

>>196381
yea I think at that point its just semantics like we all agree the spaniards were evil colonialists.

>>196387
>thnic cleansing
i dont think people usually make a big distinction between the word genocide and ethnic cleansing like

there is the UN stages of genocide or w/e

it still genocide if you do like what russia did in ukraine in the 1930-80s. ban speaking ukrainian, force the teaching of russian in schools, ban ukrainian cultural expression. you are extirpating the culture to make them russian. its a genocide, and that ban is usually enforced through indiscriminate violence.

u can also do a genocide by forced migration, which spain did too. moving tons of spanish indentured workers into these countries to take over and be a higher caste to the natives nad have htem interbreed and stuff and if they get spanish blood in them there is no longer a purely native population. (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT FROM JUST NORMAL MIGRATION AND INTERBREEDING BEFORE ANY NAZIS APPEAR AND START TALKING ABOUT WHITE GENOCIDE I SWEAR 2 GOD)

well, I dont th ink the british or french were either

Like the british wanted to displace mostly not kill and often employed tribes in their wars and the french even gave citizenship to natives in a lot of their colonies

America kind of operates differently where its more like modern isreal where you have an incroaching of homesteaders and slowly pushing hte populations out and putting them in reservations and buildng walls around them

>>196399
you are never going to convince that the spanish didnt eradicate hundreds of small tribes in their conquest of the americas

>>196404
the thing that makes it really difficult was that the spanish expanded MUCH BIGGER AND FASTER than the british and french. the project of spanish colonialism was on a much huger scale than the way british people did it which was mor elike the portuguses feitorias. they british built city states in key areas and traded or farmed around them. the spanish did wholesale cultural replacement. the spanish project was much grander in scale and scope and happened about a hundred years before the british or french really got started in north america. so the spanish didnt really need to distinguish between all these tiny tribes because they are all just targets for extermination/conversion. like the incas themselves ruled over dozens of tribes we no longer know the names of. all we know is the incas and maybe 5 or 6 major cultural groups in this huge area. we dont know those tribes anymore and to the racist spanish they would all just be "Inka" and get thrown onto the hacienda, enslaved and forced to convert to following jesus or get tortured by the inquisition.

[Wikipedia]

extinct :<

damn encomienda wasnt abolished in chile until the 1780s

The way we talk about the encomienda system in academia is like... its literally the most effective way of commiting genocide ever invented lol

in fact, im pretty sure the term genocide was literally invented to describe the encomienda system

I looked it up, the guy who invented the word genocide invented it for the Armenian genocide, but he also wrote about the encomiendas and called it "par excellance of genocide"

so the actual inventor of the word considered it genocide xD

> Denial toward accusations of genocide
Denial towards accusations of genocide linked to the encomienda and the Spanish conquest and settlement of the Americas typically involve arguments like those of Noble David Cook, who posits that accusations of genocide are a continuation of the Spanish Black Legend. Writing about the Black Legend and the conquest of the Americas, Cook wrote, "There were too few Spaniards to have killed the millions who were reported to have died in the first century after Old and New World contact" and instead suggests the near total decimation of the indigenous population of Hispaniola as mostly having been caused by diseases like smallpox. He argues that the Spanish unwittingly carried these diseases to the New World.[40] However, there is growing evidence that purposefully infecting Indigenous populations was not an obscure policy, being attempted multiple times across the Americas. With the American Society of Microbiology stating that "[the settlers demonstrated] depraved indifference, if not intentional genocide".[41]

theres actually a wikipedia article on spanish genocide denialism. apparenlty its a pretty common thing, kind of like how we americans have slavery and native genocide revisionism.

>>196447
T_T

not the hes just a special autistic birthday boy argument

he knew wtf he was doing

>>196451
i do think its kind of a watering down of calling him a nazi, hes just a racist, transphobe, white supremacist, fascist

[Wikipedia]

brazil exterminated the Tupi culture and language

>>196461
nahhh the only thing we cannot tolerate is intolerance FR FR

real life is not that kind we have time to be patient with dictators

>>196465
chile sounds pretty chill like you arent worrying about being legislated out of existence or killed on a daily basis tho

chile honeslty seems like a nice country

I want to visit it one day the souther coast and islands look very beautiful

>>196472
>>killed on a daily basis
>no ur wrong
:(

stay safe naBEEuh

>>196567
the SHIMP

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>>196586
Praise be to you

>>196586
im happy u are alive that should be celebrated :)

>>196591
i shall call him flufferdoodle

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>>196602
it would make me sad if u were not alive :)

>>196603
yes... it suckz... #hug

>>196605
I like cool sad stuff like mono no aware and such not like, oh my friend died

>>196613
thats cool i like that

allow me to explain my entire personality in one webm...

2049 was actually good and I was so ready for it to be bad

this is such a good explanation of how i feel most of the time

>>196626
wait let me tell u about my new dnd character idea

I just had a really cool idea for a DnD character.
He's a warlock with a devilish pact, however his patron is a fairly weak devil in the hierarchy of hell. Essentially his patron is an "injiry layor" and "defense attourney" for the 9 hells. He essentially seeks out clients with no representation and either reduces or eliminates their sentences by representing them in court. It turns out that even in Hell, the client who represents themselves is a fool. And so, for a cost thats a fraction of what more powerful devils will charge, he will represent you in court.

In this way, hes actually assembled a decently large list of contacts, devotees and pactbound amoung the living middle class throughout the world. Not through great power, magic or political position in hell... but just by being a savvy business man and lawyer.
So the character is actually a guy that he saved from what essentially was a demonic drunk driving case, summoning a demon for a prank and accidentally entering a life ruining contract with her while inebriated.
However, instead of an eternity of servitude in hell and to be a mortal agent for evil in the world above, he now has to actively spread the demons brand wherever he goes. Passing out business cards, starting cults in his name, spreading awareness that when souls get to hell to pay the devil his due, they better call...

reposted from when I woke up and immediately posted it on discord lol