theres like 8 guns per 1 population, half the population lives in the actual trees with no road access, and 4/5th of the population WILLINGLY goes and lives off the land several months a year oh yeah and it gets to like -30 if you go far enough north

ty worm

it would not be good or pretty but I think a full civil war in the US at this point would not work for the agressors it would go on forever

And i think no matter how ambitious and dumb the current leadership are, they still understand that

>>362604
civil war is one of their token issues its always been the justification for the 2nd ammendment i dont think they have ever intended to make good on it

2 is a good point yeah but I still just think there is a security in it all, that 51% of the country is blue and hates this shit and the idea of genuine large scale millitary supression is just unfeasable

I mean. there are weapons here that just

I mean you can buy a 50 cal sniper as a civilian

They're not even terribly uncommon

There's not rly another civil population like that in the world thats an actual weapon of war, short of bombing everywhere there's not a lot to do about that

are the feds gonna come after me for wanting to talk about how much i like my gf in here

>>362614
i mean yeah but their foriegn policy is pretty mucht he glue that holds that all together

Their entire thing is "we will survive even if the world is glassed" thats why i dont think their citizens would revolt like that in the first place

they have like 110% of their population's worth of bunker capacity in the swiss alps all armed with guns, not like handguns like AA guns and missiles

i needs to go to switzerland

sometimes i think damn, am i gonna have to sham marry a northern european to survive the next couple of decades. there's deffo a bunch of northern european men and women who'd have me, i'm well liked by them. but i want to be with my girlfriend, maybe we can both have sham marraiges and run away to the far north and then secretly see eachother behind our betrothed's backs

also switzerland has the natural upside of having fucking nothing of value except defensive positions in the swiss alps

lets dream up a scenario where someone does spend the 10,000x to take the swiss alps and grinds them over decades and decades and finally wins, what do they get, fucking nothing literal snow and rocks

Thats a huge benefit

nothing of value to take except in the lowlands and the lowlands are designed to cede if necessary

>>362629
#smooch

my mom probably hates that im a eunuch

good thing i haven't spoken to her in years

she was a huge Q anon head

everyone hates eunuchs because they are afraid of us. tale as old as time

>>362633
>>362636
my mom doesn't know im a eunuch and yeah we are pretty hated lol :( it's sad, and i think the political bs going on rn makes the hate worse for us

>>362638
glad they're still connected to the world, my mom's a full blown narcissist and everyone's kinda cut her out and she's cut everyone else who hasn't cut her out out. my dad is just a regular fascist. my mom's like a huge conspiracy head

>>362488
a lot of the clusterfuck of the usa is the phenomenon of redlining which is basically, how the streets and freeways and cities are planned around segregation

>>362643
authoritarian and racist yeah

>>362641
we love opworm

>>362644
one of those peoples whose butthurt about the whole ethnic white population decline paranoia?

>>362647
yeah, it's not just the white thing though it's like. he'll hate the polish too. it's not just the brown immigrants it's everyone who's not born and bred

i miss the obligate contrarianism of old 4chan. people on there used to be nazis just as a shock tactic, and just as often they'd say stalin was right or etc
then 2016 happened and it stopped being a fight the power thing and started being naziism for naziism's sake

>>362655
i dont disagree with you and i do think thats one of the most dangerous parts of fascism and i dont miss the naziism of old 4ch specifically, i just miss the unseriousness of it all

I want to say something but I think my connection is unironically too slow for the site now

>>362659
I think thats the dem's greatest failing in recent years
>oh a populist appears who runs on being anti institutionalist and anti-politician, who should we run against him. either we can do the deeply institutionalist wife of an old political family or we can have a left leaning populist who checks most of the same boxes as trump but also wants to do a little socialism, as a treat
>yeah lets do the wife

>>362655
hindsight is 20/20

>>362667
i remmeber seeing a greentext screenshot of /pol/ doing what the jews do and i didn't save it

>>362665
marget thatcher's grave was the first gender neutral bathroom in the Uk

>>362669
like i said, hindsight is 20/20

i unironically wouldn't have thought 4chan would go from nazis to trans takeover even 4 years ago

half my family is irish i have a deep personal loathing of that "person"

>>362675
most zoomers actually have no idea what it was like before america became polarized

>>362677
i was born in 1999 i barely barely remember it
this has been the reality for me for essentially all of my living memory
it does really shape my worldview and the worldview of my friends of the same age

im glad i didn't get on social media til i was in my 20s, i just whiled away my hours. i got a few more years of normalcy than most people my age

>>362678
i'm technically a zillenial but i can remember pre-smartphone, just not anything before bush

People in my gen either dissociate entirely from politics or become rabid extemists in talk but in practice just fatigued by the whole thing

>>362667
Considering how overprotectiveness of ethnic whiteness leads to abortion being banned, unjust deportations, and LGBT people being criminalized... I reallly really hope ethnic whiteness goes away in the near future, because it feels like overprotectiveness of the goal of amassing white babies is causing way too many problems

>>362684
BASED
world should become brown in as few generations as possible
t. probably the whitest person ever

>>362688
glad you understand anon the fetishization of white babies is causing way too many problems, it's also part of why so many of us are given shit for transitioning

>>362684
dw its gonna go away

>>362692
I'm relieved to hear that gray, how far off in the future do you think it will take to go away?

>>362693
yeah thats the other thing its literally, all morals aside, just the objectively scientifically correct thing to do for the health of the population

>>362694
a decade

The more varied your gene pool the more robust you are to like three quarters of all disease esp. in the modern world where external diseases are all extremely treatable

white supremacy will probably get replaced with a different type of racism or bigotry

i think there has to be a hard reset on shitting on command economies considering all of our data on their success comes from pre-computer examples

then again even places with lots of interacial mixing like latin america still have white supremacy, so i could be completely off

>>362703
i could see that happening

i'm on the side of the neofurries

but

i'm against the augmented

>>362708
im not for full collectivization but i do think a baseline, low quality but servicable, collectiviztion of all life essentials and free distribution would be an unambiguous benefit to humanity

>>362708
hold on let me get the meme

Its the exact same system, classes and muh bootstraps in tact, except at the very bottom rung instead of living on the street and eating trash, you are GUARANTEED a shitty apartment with lukewarm showers and like school lunch food. for free no matter what

>>362718
yeah it doesnt have to be literal collectivization

>>362721
I dont really care what its called im just an objectivist about worker health

morals shouldnt go into it

ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. stop fucking charging ppl for the ounce of prevention

Dead workers cant work and cant pay taxes

Life essentials cost fucking nothing compared to the rest of what our govt does

i wouldn't care if the government assigned me a job bc i get decision paralysis

>>362731
again idrc what its called :P

But like look at cuba
you know what they do, they just send doctors everywhere every year and go to peoples houses and give them free checkups and they spend like a penny to our $7 for the exact same medical outcomes

>>362738
the poverty of their nation cant reallt be used as an argument while there is a nearly worldwide trade embargo on them imo

>>362742
the us makes trade deals with other major trading economies to not trade with them and when they do to trade unfairly

i got an error in the middle of uploading nooo

it's effectively a worldwide embargo

Every time they run out of like CPAP machines or whatever they have to scramble to find some random country like laos to sell to them

>>362746
but do you unironi think cuba wouldnt be like twice as wealthy if the US didnt care about them

i wish the ussr was real

>>362751
i dont think cuba is perfect and im not arguing for any part of their system except preemptive medical care sponsored by the state as a baseline service for citizens

>>362753
iirc cuba mostly declined bc the ussr fell

I mean nationalizing insurance would also solve a lot of this issue
drugmakers make their products absurdly expensive because they know insurance will cover most of it, except for the fact that insurance's entire goal in life is to deny as many claims as possible

>>362758
north korea is kinda the same if not worse, the ussr was its main powerhouse

With nationalized insurance we could argue for VASTLY better prices from pharma companies and also it would make the entire system more robust

north korea kinda only exists because of china

i dont think insurance being part of capitalism serves it any benefit whatsoever. there is no potential innovation in the field except how to deny more people. The goal of insurance is good: everyone pools money, so that if you draw the 1/100 bad luck lottery ticket this year and get cancer, you arent financially ruined

i kinda like chinq b

that is a good thing

There is no reason that process is improved by competition, in fact it's markedly worse because they have less swaying power over the drug market

i kinda like china but if i lived there i think i would go insane, and i don't think i can way that about any other country

I dont know anything abt the swiss system except what you've said, all i know about insurance is strictly from the pharma negotiation perspective, and i can tell you without shadow of a doubt that the reason most modern therapeutics are tens to hundreds of *dollars* a dose instead of cents has very very little to do with how hard it is to produce those meds

>>362776
trump isnt going to succeed

It's about a perfect 50/50 split between pharmas being out of controll greedy (with the exception of a VERY SLIM FEW) and between insurers not even caring to really negotiate with them because their strategy has to do with denying more claims, not making those claims cheaper (eg. arguing for a lower price)

my internet is blipping im gonna nap

If the US government *was* medical insurance for americans, every pharma would be forced to sell their drugs to us for BARE MINIMUM 10x less the price. Because all the us has to sat is "okay well we're walking away if you lower the price" and the USA as a whole is too large a market to walk away from

>>362785
#change "lower the price" to "don't lower the price"

>>362788
But also hrt would cost 10x less

>>362780
give up on that now anon. if you don't wanna do poly just stay away from that kinda thing you'll just end up getting hurt or hurting others. I'm happy I got my girlfriend and she's got me and we're perfectly happy with just eachother, it's great.

Does your current insurance pay >90% of your hrt? if yes, fair point, if no, it would still be cheaper my way

>>362793
Collectively bargaining with 400 million patients is basically price controls

Trust me i have a lot of experience with pharma industry stuff it is hugely the fault of insurance not having bargaining power and not using the bargaining power they do have to its full extent

>>362796
you can do that for an insurance provider with 1 million clients
you cannot do that for 400 million

as an international pharma you do NOT walk away from that many people

>>362800
you gotta understand their entire overhead is the development not the production
once theyve invented the pill theyve already spent the money. the pills cost fucking cents to produce almost no matter what they are with a very small number of exceptions

Once they have the medicine in hand they dont really give a fuck what it sells for as long as they sell a LOT

>>362802
But its not in their interests to do that. if they sell the pills for $1 each instead of $100 each they still make money. the pills cost them 7¢ each. the actual cost for them is the 3 billion dollars to develop the drug. Once theyve spend that money their primary goal is to sell it for any price to anybody interested

outer space is very smooth and glossy, and it is made up of rectangles and squares with rounded edges

and also. IP law doesnt go very far if its the entire country. If the USA says "ok well we need this drug" they can just make generics themselves. what are you gonna do, complain? china does this like 4 times a day

>>362805
you can have private ones too at the same time, but the at least NOMINALLY 400 million patient plan will make our bargaining for.drugs SO much stronger

the pharmas are only charging hundreds of dollars a pill because they can

They really dont need to

Many of those drugs are in fact sold at the $1 rate instead to countries who actually bargain this way

>>362812
it was rlly good

i LOVE artists but I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER support Any Illustrators

I believe Western illustrators should all be Subjected to Struggle Sessions

>>362815
i mean isnt this kind of an argument for total nationalization

is it true they keep artists poor so we'll make more tortured and pained art

>>362824
i still think either of these options would overall make our medical expenses cost less as a nation and less for you as an individual

medical research companies who are reapong those benefits do NOT need that money

the lifecycle of drugs is that a small company of real scientists invents a drug and gets prelim studies going. but the cost of pushing a drug through FDA is hundreds of millions of dollars bare minimum, so inevitably they lose a controlling share in the company to investors, those investors sell the company to big pharmas because they want to recoup, and bug pharmas earn the actual prodits from the $700 pills. The big pharmas own research wings are unimaginably inefficient

And they are spending hundreds of times as much for the exact same research as that original small company

do you think they're underfunding promising type 1 diabetes research and funding the dead end stuff and the stuff for better management so they can keep us on as customers. i want my ne pancreas dammit i don't want the fucking loop. i don't want the fucking dexcom. i wanna eat bread without having to do the bread math. i want a nap. i want to have a fucking nap.

its a really fucked up ecosystem in general

>>362833
idk just from my perspective we spend the most on healthcare, dont even have the best outcomes, and we also have the most privatized system of any large nation

I think a more collectivized version of that, whatever form it has to take, is almost guaranteed to bring down our healthcare expenses and bring up quality of care

maybe that's just regulation but having seen how big pharmas operate i dont think thats enough

they only listen to money and markets and we have one of the largest markets in the world and they will be forced to listen if we collectively bargain

>>362791
you are girlfriend anon to me.

guessing your the one who always brings up your gf anyway ha

anyway i hope this argument didnt get mean or frustrating i love talkinf about this stuff and i think you have really interesting perspective on it

xD

well im procrastinating work anyways, i should get going, i hope u have a nice day !!

>>362867
Idk, now that 4chan is back up I'm not sure the site will grow as quickly as it was before.

>>362880
Make it redirect here ;-)

>>362884
curious if any data on this has been collected. Google Trends isn't helpful (at least not too much) cause it only shows how many times that the word "4chan" has been googled iirc

Yeah, especially since /libpol/ is pretty dead

my gf found me on a moonlit night. scavenging for molluscs

honestly my gf found me 14 years ago. at the local goth park. when we were both dudes.

>>362897
boy, now that would be one hell of a story to tell others who are interested in how you got together (in the non online space)

>>362885
https://4stats.io

>>362898
it is a crazy story. a lot happened in those 14 years

>>362899
oof yeah, slow but steady slowdown over the last 2 years, can't get it to go back farther than 2023, unless it actually is showing longer back than then and I'm just stupid lol

>>362897
>local goth park

>>362902
it was just the park where all the scene kids hung out. neither of us were scene kids though. I was way too masc for that i was the trvest metal nerd out there.

>>362906
nah, gf of like. 5 months. we were friends of 14 years tho

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>>362895
Degenerate

>>362912
/d/ is gooners

>>362908
i hope things go well for u both :3

>>362915
ty ^^ so far it's just been the loveliest, most communicative, fun, good, consistent, supportive, loving, special relationship of my whole life and I'm so lucky I got to know this side of her too

>>362919
#trvke

this has been deboonked

i wish there was a /ck/ board on another website that was active

:(

>>362927
remember an article about "/tttt/ language" from some european uni student

there was a phd thesis on /lgbt/

by some finnish man

karl andersson sounds like a nonce

was funny cause that friend is finnish too and I was like "this your doing??"

.play DRUNK DRIVING IN A PORSCHE!

.play [YouTube]

.skip (video skipped)

bananas can conduct electricity

i am becoming more powerful

>>362945
wait thats not actually true

every day

every hour

fucking hell

imagine just having loving intimacy with your partner who loves you how about that

all y'all are possessed by symbols and semiotics. you exist in the realm of categories

.play ocularnebula turtlefuzz

>>362954
why does the serbian flag have some sort of watermark on it