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anon
>>458019
That's good because blackpill thought is genuinely dangerous imo although I find it hard to not be consumed by it.
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yeah
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id uhh
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lemme link u smth
anon
Blackpill thought generally leads to lone wolf terrorism and not much else
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>>458020
i'm pretty sure even if that happened we would still be involved in the middle east
>>458033
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too big of a region
anon
>>458027
yeah I fantasize about that even though it would change little, and no one would replace me
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is also by an anarchist
anon
>>458028
I wish to leave that place.
anon
but does anarchism ever succeed? it’s just holding back the very worst of human oppression and evil which is actually really good but depressing that the fighters have shitty lives and a good society never seems to grow and thrive
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lel
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ill rewatch in a while probs
she has some aaa music mixing cus she was still learning but is still listenable
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>>458034
>does anarchism ever succeed
lol
anon
>>458034
>does anarchism ever succeed
what does that even mean tbh
anon
like does a strong society which respects and takes care of people ever emerge and prevent abusive people from being successful and happy and have a good happy role for people like me to contribute, and not fall after some period, and have growing numbers and power and a path to consuming the world
>>458047
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we see anarchist regions like with the zapatistas that have existed for 30 yrs
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and egalitarian attempts like in rojava despite its flaws
anon
>>458042
This is true but also
Anarchy isn't a political program, it's a living breathing practice
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yeah
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i just mean for ppl to look into cus plenty of ppl dont know abt the current and historic projects like those and ie more wll known spain and ukraine
anon
>>458042
but they don’t have growing economies and power and numbers and educational ability where they’re going to expand out. it’s like palliative care- really freaking important but if all your doctor can do is make your death less bad you need a different doctor
>>458051
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my issue is mainly with the idea of power
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and putting it into the hands of a smaller group that wont represent the people
anon
>>458048
The answer to your question is no because that's not what anarchy is
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and it is possible to have those things, its just been repressed in many places and i believe there have been times where there has been a large amt of progress in the education systems or such they have
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economy tho is a whole other thing i dont wanna dive into as it as an idea is smth that has to kinda be deconstructed and viewed from other perspectives in such ideas
anon
Yeah, "the economy" is gay
>>458056
anon
and not in a good way
anon
>>458054
without more and better missiles than others you can’t do anything, and without fancier medicine and TVs, your people get depressed and leave
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>>458056
i mean it has nothing to do with missles lol, even the soviets had to deal with the economy.
>>458079
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but also, in terms of tactics and weapons, the ukrainian anarchists invented the method of using mounted machine guns on horses that turned into trucks nowadays, and other methods have been invented by these movements
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the whole we need missiles thing to not die is uh
anon
yeah a lotta them were very capable but you need missiles at some point
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smth
anon
>>458056
>and without fancier medicine and TVs, your people get depressed and leave
Not necessarily, there are many groups and ethnicities who live without and prefer to live without these things.
Again, anarchy isn't a political program.
>>458081
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heh
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im rewatching the vid and
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so your pitch is "you will live a crappy life with less important things and probably have less education and also less ability to better yourself but it will be FAIR"
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got reminded of, by it, the story of lyudmila pavlichenko
>>458106
anon
and it’s like all these capable empathetic left wing groups who didn’t have huge military industries just got killed and only a few children of their killers try to replace them and generally can’t win every generation
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i think she was the ukrainian sniper who killed the most nazis in ww2
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i forget specifically
anon
>>458073
Not really, I'm not trying to build an "anarchist civilization"
anon
anything that works has to create a more powerful civilization than rivals or it gets stomped eventually
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>>458075
depends
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like theoretically anarchism could work as a collection of really tiny states that can band together to deal with an outside threat. But in practice it would be destroyed by infighting almost immediately
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yeah i usually identify w using confederation for such stuff as it can help you have a group that can protect a large group
anon
>>458057
it’s both, I think there were left wing groups w good standard of living and no missiles who got couped and tortured or invaded n tortured n then died
anon
>>458066
Also I would turn this around and ask you what those groups of people who don't participate in industrial society should do in the face of deforestation and urbanization and so on.
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anon
>>458062
and these groups are constantly getting betrayed by those within them who do want these things
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>>458080
well i mean if you refuse to participate in the politcal system then your voice and your concerns will go unheard
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anon
>>458082
Exactly.
And perhaps the "civilized" people deserve a lower standard of living, who could say
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anon
>>458066
yep. the solution HAS to have a more powerful thing it can’t just be self sacrifice of short term happiness without building long term power
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lain from computers
saeki
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haiiii
lain from computers
hi hell o hi
did u see the new benn jordan
>>458089
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>>458083
i would disagree with "civlized" vs "uncivilized" there's not one right way to live, but there will be competing interests in any group of people
>>458096
anon
I really hope we can get out using technology
>>458095
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im glad he did a vid on the laser techniques again,
lain from computers
cool thats all its very neat
anon
like if we zap people to induce pleasure and pain which others feeel maybe we can get a stable fair huge powerful society
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i read the papers on keyboard stuff using lasers when they came out
lain from computers
>>458090
until the people who control the manufacture and research into new tech
we're goign to use it to run our entire species intot he ground forever
>>458099
anon
>>458088
I mean you're inherently favouring industrialized society when you say it's bad that there would be less TVs and whatnot
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>>458096
i'm not talking about TVs i'm talking about modern medicine and education
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lain from computers
>>458095
#edit into new tech -> into new tech die off
anon
if we can make everyone have each others memories we’re good but that’s so far off and idk what can be done now other than like drug injectors and somehow hope that brings ppl together which I’m not so confident in
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anon
>>458098
I mean sure those too.
But maybe those things have huger consequences than we think about. This is just a thought experiment on my part though
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i'm not saying there's one right way to live, but obviously I will be biased to the befits of living in the modern world with modern amenities.
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anon
>>458102
This is why I'm against democracy, it favours the will of the "people" or majority
>>458109
0.1227% bloober!boymodewng
wouldn't that be the same with anarchy? or are you just a pure might makes right kinda person
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anon
>>458105
supposedly you’ll have to temper it with rights and that’s the conventional wisdom- general direction from democracy but protecting minorities
anon
>>458107
I'm not a might makes right kind of person, I prefer cooperation with the people around me.
anon
>>458108
it’s the only truly stable way to make people fair that I see which isn’t just crippling them all so they can’t hurt each other ie small government/anprims
>>458116
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so democracy
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anon
>>458112
No, democracy is the rule of the majority, it's a specific form of "rule"
anon
I'm a costco guy, of course I eat a chicken bake while I shop
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i think we're using different definitions of words
>>458118
lain from computers
>>458111
your idea is incredibly schizophrenic and i very much agree
>>458119
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lol
anon
>>458115
Well the rule of the people is what people mean when they say democracy, but there's always gonna be force involved in political decisions
anon
>>458116
the question is- if it’s the correct theory, why can’t I implement small parts now and scale up, in theory talking to others n zapping myself to feel the same things sometimes would be good but I have a meh feeling. I still gotta try it. current headsets can detect emotion ok and drug injectors can be programmed, but still…
>>458128
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right but cooperating with people is the same as democracy
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unless you just mean consensus rule
>>458125
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i could go into the way that thatll birth the same issues
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which is imo objectively not the best, but if it makes you happy
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but recommend looking into the idea of local community councils that have the ability to listen to the most vulnerable people
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anon
>>458121
I believe in free association generally.
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right but what happens if you need to make a decision involving other people
>>458129
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and how a community can have the solidarity to advocate for the minority in their community
lain from computers
>>458119
it's genuinely just the problem of working with a blackbox system
arguably in our current state it would be a disaster if someone finally figured out a 'universal standard' of how nervous systems worked that could enable something as granular as specific memories
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lol
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ur just making me think of stirner
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anon
>>458131
it's okay lib bro, one day they will see the light
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idk if i'm a lib necessarily
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id also recommend looking into maybe platformism w the relation to what ur talking on
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i think that having a dictator that was smart and poggers would be very cool. I just don't think it will ever happen
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anon
>>458131
I also don't believe in "community" so that might be an issue that causes confusion here idk
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not really. Like unironically if you had a really good and smart king or queen they are 200% more effective than any elected representative. It's just you have to deal with the really dumb ones
>>458147
anon
we have never passed 20% liberalism, people just get tired of the prosperity at like 18%
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>>458140
i cant even try and respond to the dictator comment
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no president, no king, no leader is going to be able to be free of abuses and corruption in the real world when given that much power
anon
>>458141
yeah, then you enter questions like how are they selected and what are their incentives etc
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anon
>>458128
yeah. we need to pair having the same emotions I think with having the same complex ideas and memories behind them. otherwise it’s not actually making ppl organized. an epidemiologist needs to be able to put his understanding of the problems of a disease into ppls heads and the antivaxwrs need to put how oppressed n scared they feel into others heads so everyone helps each other with their problems in effective ways out of desire not power
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>>458147
listen obviously by blood
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i've been playing a lot of crusader kings 3 lately
>>458153
anon
>marries sibling
anon
>>458133
stirner is based though even tho he was just engels trolling marx
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>>458145
i mean look at frick what's his name whos the germany guy bismark, look at bismark, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did which objectively beenfited the people of germany a lot without the significant power that he had for himself. However the flip side was the hitler also used that power to do some bad stuff.
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anon
>>458157
I don't believe in capitalism, I don't believe in hierarchy, I don't believe in community, I don't believe in the economy, I don't believe in civilization, I don't believe in democracy, I don't believe in nation states, I don't believe in any of that bullshit
>>458169
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one example isnt going to break the rule
lain from computers
>>458149
tech nightmare people are trying to implement this with LLMs
likely because they believe people / humanity is too flawed for this
>>458186
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the people at the bottom are still going to suffer immensely sigh
>>458162
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>>458161
the people at the bottom benefited greatly???? like germany unifying increased the standard of living significantly???
>>458164
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but saying this allows for those who are opportunists to be able to also get the power when ppl think that
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>>458163
yeah that's why i brought up the fact that Hitler used the same powerrs to do what he did
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>>458164
Rip Bozo
lain from computers
>>458149
the normal means of sharing stories and information has been hijacked by the individualist projects across xyz political uh 'groups'
we didn't used to need such a brute force application
this used to be the natural order of things honestly
>>458205
anon
I will even drink milk from your mum's tiddies
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bayzed
anon
>>458157
any big improvement in society comes at the cost of mass abuses of those harmed. we need a system which is smart about these and avoids the worst of it for now, and eventually to move to a system where people, feeling what others do, are happy to give their lives for the majority, like if you were a small independent farmer and could feel and understand the efficiency of industrialized agriculture, and actually give up your farm and feel good at all the better fed people. that kind of situation is the key problem of civilization imo.
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>>458169
this has been resolved and discussed for over a century and a half now
there have been societies that worked and fought against capitalism and hierarchy yet still had all the things the people needed, and ways to create and run factories while still avoiding yk.
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can you name some so i can look at them
anon
I'm a pure "lifestyleist" as the Bookchinites like to call them so I won't have great answers to all these things but I think Saekai knows what she's talking about
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>>458173
we shouild just birth a Ceasar and revive rome simple as
>>458218
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im not a bookchinite or whatevs but try to find ideas that i can through diff theory
>>458180
anon
>>458179
No I'm just saying that's what Bookchinites call them and whatnot, not that you're a Bookchinite
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and yeah ik
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its a similar thing to the way marxists name and call certain groups of ppl and ideas
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tho ur ideas on democracy remind me of
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lemme find it
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>>458173
i feel like this is a common thought in a lot of leftist circles and it's weird. Like the idea that if you just explain everything enough then people will like always agree with you.

I'm not saying it's you, but I know a lot of marxists essentially follow the idea of "marxism is so natural and people want to do it, they just haven't had the ideas of it explained to them good enough"
>>458229
anon
>>458160
my friend is hoping we can use FNIRS headbands to feed emotion up to a LLM and have it feed tasks and pleasure/pain down. honestly maybe that’s the best idea til we can do emotion transfer. I should probably try it in my own life, have a LLM plan my days and have my friends give input about how they’re doing and feel about me, and then have it try to move things towards all of us being better off. the problem is how the hell do I know it will actually move things where they need to be
>>458199
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i think the analysis of capitalism can be useful but the use of it to go ahead and write off any abuses in order to change things ugh, tho thats more towards the ML/tankie side
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>>458187
50/50 on them
anon
>>458157
literally willy 2 used that power to throw germany into massive conflict
>>458191
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>>458190
yeah sometimes you win some sometimes you lose some
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it all balances out in the end
>>458193
anon
>>458192
idk you can't afford win some lose some anymore, you need to try to tie as much as we can
>>458197
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>>458187
heres the vid i was thinking of,
its a useful thing to keep in mind even for ppl who want broadly democratic systems
[YouTube]
>>458261
anon
Also I wanna rant about Bookchin for a second because he lives rent free in my head.
Bookchin is super influential in anarchist circles but he's a radical democrat which leads to authoritarian ideas on his part.
Like he believes in small community councils but he said in one of his works that in order to leave the larger federation of communities you would have to get clearance from the rest of the community
This is very authoritarian imol
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>>458193
listen not all of the kings kids are gonna be 10/10s yano, but one of them eventually will be
>>458213
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(he's an anarchist who's an ex ML who critiques the revisionism and ideas now generally)
lain from computers
>>458186
i am fascinated by this idea and it feels
i don't know , hostile
do you have any elaborations / technical plans for this? anything your friend mentioned
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anon
>>458163
and denying it allows those who could be helped by unifying power structures to suffer on :/
>>458203
0.1255% bloober!boymodewng
>in order to leave the larger federation of communities
i mean this is just practical
>>458208
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imagine you build critical infrastucture with the consent of people and they just decide to leave? like bruh
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>>458200
ithink we need communities to have unity and recognize how they have something to oppose and intersectional issues, but dont think the answer to that is centralizing power and letting a small group control things and decide things for them is all
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anon
read combat liberalism by mao
>>458206
anon
>>458168
it did yeah and that’s what makes me lose faith in it even though it’s super super important which leaves me somewhat ungrounded
>>458221
anon
china is curbstomping the us so mao is based
>>458210
anon
>>458201
I mean that's the big thing with anarchism I guess
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it just doesn't seem functional
anon
>>458207
I mean true but Mao is still retarded even if he is based
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atp you should just not have a larger community
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which is fine btw
>>458216
anon
>>458197
and the issue is that we have nuclear weapons. It's more important to get consistent competence than occasionallu reallu good ones
>>458215
anon
king of based retards actually saving the world
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>>458213
ok whatever we nuke france by accident so what
>>458217
anon
>>458212
That's why I'm not really focused on le revolution and le building a new society I just focus on my own life mostly and living "anarchistically", the politics of it is too complicated, I'm sure it could work but it's really complicated.
>>458220
anon
>>458178
still fell :/ even if better for everyone we need a way to work towards everyone sacrificing for a sustainable and growing system while not getting oppressed and still feeling ok/good
>>458226
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i try and put more focus on the helping and working with people around you, providing resources and support rather than trying to at this minute be trying to create some new society, though building things in the shells of the old is also useful when possible
>>458222
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>>458216
yeah i mean in order to have stability you have to sacrfice autonomy, if you're unwilling to sacrfice autonomy I would argue it's impossible to have stability. Which is fine, people lived like that for hundreds of thousands of years. It just doesn't work at scale IMO.
anon
>>458219
This is also applicable through so called "lifestyle" anarchism
anon
I hate to use that term but I can't think of a better term
anon
>>458199
well it’s the death of the mind and any individual power. that’s a very very scary thing but also individual power is why we’re in this situation in the first place
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i just dont find using lifestylism or such as a term too useful because i believe anarchism is inherently a way of life n all, though w anarchism theres always a diversity of opinions so it can be useful as a descriptor depending on diff things
>>458227
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>>458218
i don't think that will ever be possible. No one really wants to sacrfice themselves for the greater good.
>>458278
anon
>>458225
That's true, I'm really just trying to distinguish myself from the "red" anarchists lol
>>458230
anon
Hey, so what would happen if there was a counter to nukes?
>>458234
anon
>>458185
yep. ‘it’s very difficult to explain to a man something which his career depends on him not understanding.’ and any system that’s better for everyone requires way more self sacrifice than ppl want to do. a sustainable replacement needs to make people feel GOOD giving away their job and killing themself when they realize they’re incompetent instead of just eating it’s own or expecting they’ll do it out of duty
>>458232
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i prefer direct action over trying to build the perfect idea for a society when things are always up in the air and needing new ideas for how to act in the current moment
>>458233
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>>458229
ok but i meant more like people can just disagree with marxist thought, like they can read it and be like "actually this sounds bad to me" like that's totally possible.
anon
>>458231
Same, direct action over that and also direct action over electoralism
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>>458228
bigger NUKES
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yea
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is why i linked the last vid as he talks abt running a sorta book store n community spot for leftists n anarchists n what can be done instead of trying to move right to appeal to ppl electorally
anon
ohhh it's a BadMouse vid
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yea bwa
anon
I like BadMouse, his turn away from MLism was epic
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ye
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i found him in the new era but probs know his past ones tho memory holed them
but learning he went from ancap to ML to this is kinda funny, tho not unheard of
anon
ancap to anarchist to ml back to anarchist
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lel yea
anon
what a journey
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ancap is actaully a meme tho
>>458251
anon
being ancap is a sign of extreme stupidity
lain from computers
>>458246
thank you im really interested in this
anon
<3 I’m glad : ) I think it’s our only way out long term but I’m also stressed by it cause how do we actually test it small scale and not fuck ourselves
anon
>>458247
Ancaps are hilarious to me, worse than red anarchists for sure.
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like capitalism just... doesn't not fundamentally work without a state it's so funny
>>458257
anon
I’m going to write on my whiteboard to make the thread after some homework n stop yapping soon
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oh lol i mean *does not* not does not not
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i had a good laugh seeing the old r ancap post that
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its likely fiction but
anon
>>458252
The thing is a lot of ancaps have ideas of doing things soooort of similar to mine because of their anti-leftism but they do it completely wrong obviously and they're retarded.
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the guy said he went to greece as an american ancap and went to an anarchist squat and then had an argument abt racism and got beaten up and thrown out
>>458262
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its a very funny butthurt post
anon
Basically their rightism is worse than their anti-leftism
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>>458261
ye
i just got bacc to the point of the proj 2025 mention which is kinda blegh in hindsight but its still a useful vid
anon
>>458203
a part of that is true I think. I think focusing on power heirarxhies and their corrupting nature is really important but yeh you can’t actually achieve big things without accepting some amount which inevitably xcomes w abuses :/
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>>458203
ok but if you don't centralize power then you literally kneecap your ability to do anything
>>458266
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>>458265
this is not true, it is something that people think and its understandable
but
it is a much more functional way to help people than many of the systems we have in place now
while there are issues, and its open for discussion if smth that provides like
having a way for UBI and housing n so on is good but it has to be done carefully
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it super is true, have you ever went to a town council meeting
>>458270
lain from computers
my friend jeremy knows a lot of stuff i think it would work if he told everyone what to do actually
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>>458268
can we call him king jeremy and give him a cool hat
>>458272
anon
>>458267
do not do destiny style debating pls fren
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wdym
lain from computers
>>458269
yeah but he goes by beefcake on xbox so he likes that more
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and i dont mean the kind in the US
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king beefcake
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it's not debating to say "if you don't think that having a decentralized power structure will kneecap or slow the ability to respond to things here's an example of the decentralized power and how it kneecaps the ability to respond to thinggs" is a debate tactic
>>458279
lain from computers
king beefcake
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you could likely still have a group in confed systems that allow for responding and taking action like we do now without them trying to impose a ton of control on the people themselves
>>458289
anon
>>458226
I think it’s the only way. I think it’s doable if you really believe they are you, or parents for their children
anon
>>458275
I was kinda joking but I was just referring to not addressing the other person's point
>>458281
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its more that we do not need a fed like we have it now in the way that the alphabet bois of the FBI CIA and NSA currently exist
>>458283
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>>458279
? they literally just said "it is true"
>>458282
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>>458282
based
lain from computers
>>458285
2 ???????!!
anon
I don't care about society I just wanna pretend to be a Stalinist on /pol/
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>>458277
but who would decide who would be in that group, and what their powers were
>>458291
lain from computers
>>458288
two (2) !!!!
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>>458289
this has been proposed and put into place at point as through things like the community deciding who or systems such as having short period drafts that require community members to help in it
>>458293
anon
Actually I pretend to be a NazBol on /pol/
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>>458291
so like a representative
sæкі
not exactly because they arent making the full decision making and have complete power in my conception of it but
if its needed for smth like international issues, having some kind of group who the people havbe continuous input on and direct choice over what they do with restriction and input from experts
then i conceive of that being more functional than the rep system we see in the US where theyre free to do whatever tf they want and not be held to account by their constituents
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so couldn't you just improve US democracy by having the what the fuck are representivites called whatever congressthings more directly accountable to their people
>>458296
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i don't know that much about the soviets tbhon is that what they did
anon
no it's just what they preached and did on a micro-level lol
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oh
anon
The concept of soviet democracy only happened on like the most basic levels in the USSR and even then it was hindered by only one candidate being allowed yada yada
sæкі
and also the corrupting of how the idea of soviets originally was into a system like we saw after the revolutions and control placed over them sigh
sæкі
the whole like
the people dont actually own their means even if thats the idea
sæкі
and the absolute shitshow of collective farming and abuses that were born out of it
anon
They did to an extent control the means of production but it was in such an indirect and weird way
It's what I'd call bureaucratic socialism
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idk i just want god emperors back it was way cooler back then
sæкі
yeah they did have some but its still a form of capitalism in the end
sæкі
you want god emperors until u absolutely dont -w-
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yes plz
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i will never not want god emperors
anon
Perhaps we need an anarchist state that will oppress all the anti-anarchists and will force everyone to live under anarchism.
>>458312
sæкі
i think a system locally or however to act against intolerance is a good thing but also not having it be a police state or situation like the path the soviets took of viewing so many as 'counter-revolutionary'
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>>458310
wouldn't you have to have this? unironically? like something that would stop people from like just invading
>>458313
anon
>>458312
If I was an ancom yeah lol
sæкі
yeah i generally had to stop using any kind of term like ancom cus of the issues i started noticing w everything in the groups who ID'd with it and
now that i have a bsky i have to use for writing, and i have a feed of ppl under similar identities u see so many just absurd ML types who say theyre ancoms
anon
A lot of ancoms are weirdly liberal which makes me uncomfortable I guess
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wdym by liberal
>>458317
anon
>>458316
Like they tend to agree with liberals on a lot, believe in liberal ideas, sometimes support NATO
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do you not support NATO?
>>458325
0.1288% bloober!boymodewng
why not?
anon
lol no of course not
sæкі
lol
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do you support BRICS?
anon
no
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oh okay youi're consistent at least : D
anon
>>458318
Imperialist alliance and so on and so on.
sæкі
yeah
anon
BRICS is like the other NATO, on the other side of things
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yeah, i just know a lot of tankies whos values start and end at "west bad" so they do actually unironicalyl support BRICS
>>458341
sæкі
yeah
sæкі
man
sæкі
i was sharing the story of the kid of the cia intelligence director here the other day who
anon
i will make a serious attempt to find a non-god emperor solution but keep it as a fall back
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WHAT THE FUCK
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NO
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I WANT A GOD-EMPEROR
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originally was an anarchist then moved to be a hippie in europe and went towards being a tankie who
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God-emperors make for so much more interesting history
anon
god empress has a pretty fucking good ring to it i gotta admit
sæкі
believed the idea that RU could do no wrong and would bring us to communism
>>458347
sæкі
and seems to have also been an enby
sæкі
and moved to russia and joined the army and died in ukraine
anon
>>458343
nah it's ok lol i was just meming
sæкі
wacko
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it's fair. IDK really where I stand
anon
>>458339
Marxists love Russia for some reason
sæкі
i forget the name of the idea that it was but the idea that RU will be the country who brings liberation to the whole world
>>458350
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politically, i just like good policies that make sense to me I'm not really emotionally attached to any one system at this point
anon
>>458348
Idk what makes Marxists behave so culty but it's really weird
sæкі
cult of personality and being cut off from any other sort of ideas, errr
anon
Maybe we can find the answer in their name actually, "Marxism"
sæкі
yea
anon
as you said, cult of personality
sæкі
also believing theres no purpose in trying to do anything but work within the groups of ppl who already believe what they do
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we could always try going back to feudalism
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i was watching bridgerton lately and now it seems kinda poggers and fun
anon
I share some of Ted Kaczynski's critiques of leftism and Marxism actually
anon
because i got high because i got high because i got hiiii~iiigh~
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lel
anon
Like needing to be in some large group and organization and just being followers yada yada
>>458363
sæкі
colt 45 and two zig zags
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>>458361
depends on what your goals are
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but i would argue that humans are evolutionary uhhhhh what was i gonna say i feel like humans are meant to belong in groups. Like I think that our brains are geared towards that and that's how we become successful
>>458369
anon
lol.
anon
evolutionarily.
lain from computers
@ai anon
let me know when you make a tescreal thread
anon
>>458364
That's true, that's why I believe we should be in "bands" as they're called, but yeah it's a whole thing like leftists can't imagine themselves as individually powerful in any way
>>458372>>458375>>458377
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>>458370
weed
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>>458369
i mean largely because you aren't I would say. But I'd have to think more about it. I think humans are incredibly weak on their own
>>458373
anon
>>458372
I mean I obviously can't control the whole world or the entire country but I can control my immediate environment in many ways.
>>458378
anon
>>458369
well, the individual is factually not powerful
anon
try fighting 3 people on your own
lain from computers
>>458369
i cant believe the strongest individual is on liberal politics dot org
>>458379
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>>458373
hmm that's true. But I would argue that if we take away money and instead use energy as a currency it's incredibly expensive to exist on your own. Even having a single other person can exponentially decrease your energy spent on your survival
anon
I'm sorry but Mao was intelligent and right about everything, the behaviours he describe in "combat liberalism" are indeed wreckercore
>>458388
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hasn't china like completely abandoned mao now they're just literally capitalist
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theyve been capitalist
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yeah since like the 90s
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>>458385
i feel like the soviets are more complicated
>>458390
anon
>>458380
That's because Mao was a politician
sæкі
they are but in practical terms, they were
>>458392
anon
>>458387
Soviet Economics is interesting
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>>458389
i would disagree, but i think we might be using different definitions for capitalism
anon
China is a very specific form of capitalism that pretty much has the private sector cucking out to the government
anon
>>458394
there was a femboy poster that posted a nazi femboy pic but th
>>458397
anon
I do apologize for it genuinely
anon
I think I just assumed that because it was an imageboard I could be extremely offensive and no one would care lol
anon
>>458406
I'm looking at my (redacted for hornyposting) too
anon
are all you people american or european?
anon
>>458411
opinions on the Tigray Genocide
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:3
rose
still got le dysphoria atm, shits rough, cant even be normal dysphoria like wehh im not feminine enough instead its likes some deranged bullshit for idiots
"wehh im a girl and not also a like faggy little emo boy whos also a girl at the same time and also kind of a milf" will you shut up!!!
anon
>>458415
thats what they call my (redacted)
anon
>>458420
lain is always skeptical, because she hates the little guy
anon
>>458420
I promise I'm not a nazi, I'm just terminally online and imageboard-brained
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im finally watching the primeagen reading use fucking html vid now lol
anon
I've fantasized about getting violent with nazis lol I do not like them
anon
#poll does jelqing work/ yes /yes
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i watched a vide on the nazi economy a few days ago it was surprisningly interesting
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