>>459870
yeah
and the giving up of the choice to try and learn your craft, trade or so on
its deciding to stop pursuing the thing you want to do or learn n instead letting it be done by smth else and likely become reliant on it for some peeps

yeah, there nuance in and big parts that make LLMs/current ML different but its also similar
though its something that we need ppl doing to make serious novel progress in, fully

>>459875
yh

and we're destroying the earth as we do it
what a combo! thanks big tech

well i mean

#smartai how much power did it take to train gpt 3 and compare it to the amount for gpt 4 and the time it took to do so

Training large language models like GPT-3 and GPT-4 requires massive computational resources, measured in floating-point operations (FLOPs) or energy consumption. Here's a breakdown of the estimated power requirements and training durations for both models:

### **GPT-3 (175B Parameters)**
- **Compute Required:** ~3.14 × 10²³ FLOPs (314 exaflops).
- This is based on OpenAI’s estimate that training used approximately *3640 petaflop-days* (1 petaflop-day = 8.64 × 10¹⁹ FLOPs).
- **Energy Consumption:** Estimated at ~1,300 MWh to ~2,500 MWh (~50–100 GWh if including cooling & overhead).
- For reference: Equivalent to the annual electricity usage of ~120–250 average U.S. households.
- **Training Time:** Several weeks (~few months) on thousands of GPUs/TPUs.

### **GPT-4 (>1T Parameters?)** *(Exact specs undisclosed)*
Since OpenAI hasn't released precise figures for GPT-4's size or compute costs, estimates are speculative:
- **Estimated Compute Required:** Somewhere between *10× to 100× more than GPT-3* (~5 × 10²⁴ to >1 × 10²⁵ FLOPs).
- Likely trained with a mixture-of-experts architecture—reducing active parameter count per query but increasing total model size.
- Microsoft’s whitepaper suggests it was trained on tens of thousands of GPUs/AI accelerators over several months.

**Power Consumption Estimates:**
| Model | Est. Training Compute | Est. Energy Use | Training Duration |
|--------|----------------------|------------------|--------------------|
| GPT‑3 | ~314 exaFLOPs | ~1,300–2,500 MWh+ | Few weeks/months |
| GPT‑4 (**est.**)| ≥5 zettaFLOPs | ≥15,000+ MWh | Months |

#### Key Observations:
✔️ The jump from GPT‑3 → GPT‑4 likely required ***order-of-magnitude*** more compute due not just to scale but also improved data efficiency techniques like RLHF and better optimizers.

✔️ While exact numbers aren't public yet (*OpenAI keeps details secret post-GPT­‐2*), extrapolations suggest modern SOTA LLMs now consume as much electricity as small cities during full training cycles.

Would you like deeper analysis into carbon footprint implications versus algorithmic efficiency gains? how much power did it take to train gpt 3 and compare it to the amount for gpt 4 and the time it took to do so

>>459885
yeah

i was kinda doing it for the bit

but also i dont mind doing this *as much* because it's deepseek and its efficiency, thoooough the training power is still likely to be very high and its using chinas coal power so

most can but it all depends w how long itll take for it to respond n so on

deepseek is quite efficient and is wh is used here

is able to run on mac minis, 2018~ ones i think(?), but its still yk

philosophically i dont enjoy using them outside of all the other issues

getting to writing

hab had my IDE pulled up but partially obscured by politics stream

pat

yeah i can erm

i gotta find what ep id recommend first but

check out better offline sometime n the AI info he provides, one sec

his analysis of things progressing far past enshitification into the rot economy is a lens ive found very useful

this is part one of last years finale and made me feel seen n validated a good bit last time i listened, gonna relisten while i work/write i think :
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-better-offline-150284547/episode/the-invisible-war-253619638/

heres this non i heart one
https://omny.fm/shows/better-offline/the-invisible-war

>>459915
yeah
is what i tend to focus on but more so in terms of a union system or organizing method of communities

i find theres no reason to entertain it but
its an even more dystopian world in the end where the rich control the tool that provides uh yk

whatever they say it will, but wont because theyd have the power over it

man the intros to these are

hit me hard sometimes

this is a good thought to have spoken out
"Some people really just don't try and learn how to use the computer or a smartphone, and they just kind of reject technology or they refuse to pick it up because it's not for them. These people exist, they are real, We all know them, and I don't think anybody hearing this falls into that camp. Basic technological literacy is a requirement to live in society, and there is some responsibility on the user. But even saying that, even if we assume that these people are very common and this is the case, should companies really take advantage of them? And the answer is no, of course."

>>459929
yeah, the ability for cities to be both walkable and encourage social and community interaction is important
we can see some of it in the Netherlands n so on that are able to help keep ppl safe n provide spaces for ppl
is smth that most of the world lacks for a variety of reasons but
the US being built around cars and their size, etc, is smth that hurts all of us — even somewhat including those outside of the countries as the amount lost by having ppl not able to connect is immeasurable

am trying to leave the US or get to a place safe, or where i can find peep im oki to room with, is just sigh

dont have a passport cus of the issues as of late n worried abt a lot n just bwa

.search good work ai ed zitron

1. 1.
   
   The AI Hoax is Destroying America with Ed Zitron

   Adam Conover

   1:40:06
2. 2.
   
   Big Tech is out of ideas / ft. Ed Zitron

   The Ben and Emil Show

   1:49:22
3. 3.
   
   Is A.I. overhyped?

   Good Work

   7:10
4. 4.
   
   The Subprime AI Crisis | Better Offline

   Better Offline

   47:34
5. 5.
   
   Generative AI is not the panacea we’ve been promised | Eric Siegel for Big Think+

   Big Think

   8:28

3

ed zitron is the british guy in dis one

he'

he's been talking abt the abuses by tech companies and monopolies, and then into how awful AI is for a long time now

he's recently gotten awards for his reporting on how Google was shown to have admitted it made google search worse to get more queries

i use duckduckgo and startpage a good bit, theres also that one paid search engine i need to look into

ddg does take its results from bing i believe

ive had to use most of them in order to find all sorts of info that i can and using google dork techniques

mhmm

i should take a new pic of mine after i shower in a whiles

yea

wait

wrong vid :c

.play [YouTube]

its not profitable for the Ai companies tho and there is an immense amt of overhype

though its its own kinda thing and there are plenty using it but theres only so many niche use cases, outside of using it to legit just cheat, that mean its not useful or smth majority of ppl want, nor need, in their life

-v-

ugh ads

>sponsorblock tries to skip

a guy i knew in 2018-2021 would go on abt buying tesla stock

That sounds like a pyramid

o/ weba

do u like or listen (if u know of) ed zitron kate
feel like u'd know him

>>459982
don't recognise the name but might've

he shows up in this vid in a couple

he hosts a show called better offline n has been on a bunch of oothers

youll get why i asked in a min, probably

hehe

awroo

(✿◡‿◡)

in reality, yeah

-~- sigh...

awrooga

mhm

his pod has a lot of good discussion n ideas even if he's understandingly pissed in most eps

lol

hehe

>>459994
I've tinkered with using deepseek for bash and while it doesn't give optimized solutions, they do run, unlike what I got from chatgpt.

trying to repair camera

<3 for all of u

.play marcioz how to fall in love with a machine

.play [YouTube]

watched dis one when it came out, been so ugh knowing abt all these corps n owners for yrs n now seeing them explode

#jump (use .jump) 1 minute

.jump 1 minute

.jump 1

.jump 1:00

god did

discord delete my new acc or smth cus i used proton mail i cant get verification ugh

i forgot abt this issue.

i might have to mf re add ppl cus discord flagged n wont let me verify for using proton ffs

>>460084
oh I got lucky that it happened to be the 1 minute mark the ad ended

oh wait no I jumped backward dang it

.jump 6:50

if i re add peeps its cus discord made my acc unusable due to thinking im a bot

i hate this so much

He really just slipped pee into that

yeah

in 2017 it was fine for my proton accs

i just had to make a throwaway, basically, gmail

sorry for having to re add peoeps, i hate this too ;/

I really shoudn't

oops

I really shouldn't've used cock.li as my email for a bunch of stuff it's very spotty if it's online or not

lol

Don't even remember how I got an account there I just got it in highschool and used it since

Yeah I need to get my twitch moved to something else before it goes down again

::amongus

>>460113
like a dollar store version of the movie Minority Report

erm whas cock.li specifically . . .

>>460116
email service, I guess the guy that ran it ended up being a chud

>>460117
ah yeah

or

nvm

>one of their reasons is assuming people don't read emails
This is like when people just paste a whole chapter of a book because they don't trust people to follow a link

yea

mhm

waiting for my hrt to arrive stills

its not tracked

i need to check the email tho

not good

the first months were absolute like

not fun at all and suffering filled idk
its like going through an almost third puberty

>gon hab to go through a 4th welp

i hope u can find the path towards what fits u still

sigh

oh apparently it only shipped yday

but still can be immensely painful to go back to trying to present in a way that doesnt match what u feel closer to even if its not fully what u wanted in smth like boymode

folding and bt for originally pdas, the one i wanted a while ago goes for 75-150 but these are only 20-25 . .

awe

is able to better cold even modern devices i think
found a blog of a peep who reviewed both in more modern times for phones

>>460187
it might be because i havent had my morning estrogen yet but i swear to god i thought this was a fucking cat for a hot minute

this guy seems cool
https://jsyang.ca/hardware/hp-ipaq-bluetooth-folding-keyboard/

how many of u guys would shoot me on site

umm

i think maybe a flower garden bc they are pretty :)

gm derrick phan

hallo

i make a discy again cus my last one got marked as spam for using proton mail if u or peeps wan add me

>>460206
we are simply there at the same time and you got that strap on you

messaged a bit ago in libpol server

you are too kind lain

what if the site was like 3 miles from the white house and it was a parking lot

>>460214
u at me?

u can add if u wan didnt wanna pressure into (:

>>460215
what would the circumstances have to be for you to shoot me unprovoked

>>460220
oh wowzers i can see that im in your good books from this

i wouldnt do that tho

YAYYYYYYYYY

sleepover? or are we not that chill yet

>>460228
omg yay!

>>460228
:3

if fan or twinkanon wan add on discy tho can lmk

omg lain ur so based

i love gybe

cute

<3

id send it in this chat but if u wan it n are not in the server then can dm

dm it

its a bit safer

im in the server

so u can add me

i messaged last

ye

when it comes to a board like this where many may or do value privacy, i try not to add ppl cold yk .3.

i like exploding and blowing things up

it makes me laugh sometimes

hell yeah

#smartai what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow

The airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow—specifically, the European or African variety (as famously pondered in *Monty Python and the Holy Grail*)—has been a subject of both humorous debate and genuine scientific inquiry.

Based on empirical studies, particularly those analyzing bird flight mechanics:
- **European Swallow (*Hirundo rustica*):** Typically attains an average cruising speed of **11–16 m/s (~25–36 mph)** during steady flight.
- **African Swallow (*Hirundo senegalensis*):** Likely similar, though exact measurements may vary slightly due to wing morphology and environmental factors.

Key aerodynamic considerations affecting this include:
1. **Strouhal Number:** Optimal flapping frequency for efficient lift-to-drag ratio (~0.2–0.4).
2. **Wing Loading & Aspect Ratio:** Higher aspect ratios (longer wings relative to width) reduce drag but may limit agility; swallows strike a balance for maneuverability while foraging mid-air.
3. **Body Mass & Unladen Assumption:** Absence of additional weight ensures minimal encumbrance on thrust generation via pectoral muscles.

For context, if "unladen" implies carrying no cargo (e.g., coconut), it removes parasitic mass that would otherwise necessitate higher work rates from the flight musculature per Bernoulli’s principle adaptations in avian biology.

Would you like further elaboration on kinematic models or comparative analysis with other passerines? what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow

i luv all the chatters on my puter

#ai do NOT make a hornypost

ok do NOT make a hornypost

its as simple as that