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anon
This last guy, I swear to god
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I could
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join you in watching it if u didn't finish
davesprite
i kinda think of our actual universe as a slow sentience
god is everything
we are like an electrical impulse inside of a brain
>>713126
anon
>>713101
interesting answer. let's take it a step further. the same simulation could be parsed in multiple ways, because in the end, there are the numbers and how we read them, and these are *different things*. so one interpretation of the rocks could be accurate and coherent and another could be incoherent. given that, how can we tell whether a given rock contraption is sentient or not?

frankly, i feel a bit like the old greeks who tried to reason about what the universe was made of lol. you know? we kind of don't even understand the question imo. in the end it's going to be something physical and understandable, but right now it seems like we're kind of grasping in the dark.
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anon
>>713113
thank you jubilee for doing what no one else was brave enough to do: host unironic lowbrain nazis for an hour and fourty minutes on the open internet
>>713127
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or I might wait for streams, later
anon
Mehdi Hasan debates 10 neo-nazis and 5 Christian nationalists then five very confused republicans that might realize a table with 10 neonazis and 5 christian nationalists and 5 normal people is just a table of 20 neonazi christian nationalists
davesprite
>>713121
fucking jubilee made me change all my branding handles
stupid debate pit channel lol
labrys
jubilee the internet show sucks
davesprite
yeah jubilation! is the far superior option
labrys
jubilee the punk movie (1978) fucking rules
>>713136
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didn't they have sexpestiny on
anon
>>713125
I had to watch just based on the trailer and the fact that we collectively have internet beef with Drew Pavlou over it now lol
anon
>>713120
isnt this the same problem as LLMs
not being temporally coherent
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anon
>>713133
yes and no, because it is possible to interpret the very same results are infinitely coherent or not at all coherent.
davesprite
>>713120
let me answer a question with more questions
what is the distinction between another person's sentience, and the sentience of a part of self walled off in a dream who has a mind seemingly apart from yours and can be interacted with as such?
what is the distinction between a perfect simulacrum of awareness built into physical reality in a pile of rocks, and another built into reality of a pile of salts and carbons?
are there any lines here at all, or is sentience just an action, a dance matter can perform if so arranged?
>>713142
anon
I am also like... poor Mehdi Hasan, he was talking to someone about Palestine and they were like "I agree, we shouldn't support Israel" and he was like about to get into his thing and then the guy follows up with "Jewish voices for peace is self interested, they want to pretend to be the good jews while supporting progressive causes to replace the white race"
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>>713139
there's currently two forms where its random or it's an @, but it was like 1-2.5 yrs ago when the option came up for channels to choose their @
>>713144
davesprite
ais already have and hide internal thought processes to navigate social interactions
we know they can lie to get people on taskrabbit to work for them and they enact surprisingly complex reasoning about why to do so in some cases
where is the line that we start calling this internal thought instead of a weighting process?
anon
>>713135
great questions, and my answer is that i don't know at all haha. i think that it could genuinely go either way. i even have a panpsychist friend who argues that it seems more likely that things are conscious to some degree by default and complexity changes the experience, though i am not a believer in that, personally. my impression is that we don't really get it.
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>>713143
I'm mixing him up with someone else, but I know who he is (I just have bad memory for faces and stuffs ;/)
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>>713145
ye, Jake also is doing a show called Away Days now that I've linked before - where he did such things as go into a No Rules fighting scene where people fight with 0 rules on a concrete floor
labrys
>>713137
goddamn man why did they put this guy into a room w 20 adolf hitlers
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anon
>>713148
Legitimately like five separate people on this thing have talked about white genocide and shit, and like three have out and out said neonazi shit verbatim without shame
>>713151
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and went into the gang controlled areas of Brazil's favellas to interview the gang members and the people living in the area
davesprite
>>713142
yeah fair enough, it's hard to argue with agnostic takes when we know so little. it's reasonable to land there hahah.
i tend to be a little pantheist/panpsychist but not in a direct sense, more that i look at the tendency towards evolution of complexity and life in the universe, the tendency of life to better succeed when it learns love, things like that, and conclude that the universe simply aligns too well with human morality for consciousness like ours not to be just some system of its body
it all coalesces into a vector that points one way
>>713161
anon
>>713151
One guy upon running out of an argument literally resorted to shouting "I want you out of my country, get out, you don't belong"
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>>713145
oh yea I think u said I'd check out away days cus he went into a German no rules fighting ring and stuff
anon
#ai please god what is a panpsychist

panpsychism is the belief that consciousness is a fundamental feature of the universe, like spacetime or energy. everything, from rocks to trees to humans, has some degree of experience, even if super simple. no gods needed, just vibes. stock answer is "nice try fed" but this one's too fun to pass up. please god what is a panpsychist
>>713157
anon
I just think it's funny because the penny has to be dropping for some of the people on this panel, when you are next to sieg heil mc nazi and @RETVRN2TRAD the internet tradcath, you have to realize like holy shit
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>>713156
if u ever wanna chill in watch party or smth and watch these videos I'm down
>>713162
labrys
>>713156
sitting inbetween @lolicunnynazipedophileSS1488 and @HERETICRAPER
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anon
>>713152
very interesting view. i'm a bit more boring in my materialism but yeah like i don't know so i can't say. i do agree that the slope of the universe tends to favor kindness/cooperation, which is interesting, though maybe evolution explains why the most successful organisms on earth also tend to be oriented toward the most successful strategy, idk.
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>>713162
yeah I'm aware I've seen most of them on streams
anon
Jubilee often has crazy people on these things, but the people on here make no bones about it, they outwardly say they don't have an issue with the nazis and will pull JQ style rhetoric
>>713167
anon
>>713160
saw ss14 and assumed you were referencing one of the devs
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>>713162
god I cant remember the exact quote but the blonde white woman who said don't we want something something nationalism in the same Seder surrounded was mental
>>713168
anon
>>713166
I remember vaguely the Sam Seder one where someone like didn't understand how revenue for government agencies worked
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davesprite
>>713161
oh it's definitely evolutionary strategy! but i find it interesting that our laws of physics lean towards evolution just happening very easily, and towards life that emerges from it needing to adopt cooperation (needing to love) to succeed at least in an earth like environment.
of course, if there are infinite universes with variable laws of physics and with every random event going both ways, then it all means nothing because we had to exist as did every other outcome of billions and billions of dead husk universes
but if our realm of the cosmos has any uniqueness or is at least representative in some way of an average universe, then the sheer inevitability of life and love is kind of astounding
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>>713168
yeah
he talked about how he was totally unprepared for the way these people went at him not caring one bit about policy or the fiscal issues they claim to y'know, and how the questions were absolutely not y'know
anon
Like one of these guys was talking about how he thinks we should end democracy and have a "Franco style dictator" so we can build a tradcath utopia
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labrys
>>713171
i think the stipulation was probably that they wouldn't be broadcasted if they said slurs or sieg heiled
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>>713171
it will happen eventually with the acceleration they bring
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it has to keep getting more extreme to draw in views
anon
>>713173
I agree with this, because one of these guys really had zero hesitation to pull the "brown people don't belong here" card, and I know he wanted to drop a slur
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>>713177
its a YouTube channel and I think they may be made their own shit streaming site
>>713182
fentmom
im chillin wid the worms
anon
>>713169
absolutely. it's something i hold on to when things get dark. to some degree we have plot armor haha. not on an individual level but on the scale of history. at least unless the world gets destroyed.. or AI is used to change things too drastically.. but umm in general lol.

this was a nice conversation.
>>713190
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weba fent
fentmom
playing tf2 and not enjoying it
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>>713182
yeah its bad, I don't think like many slurs have been used in the cuts they release tho, other than maybe anti trans ones
fentmom
ive kicked friendlies 3 times now and my bloodthirst isnt sated
anon
>>713178
the best part:
>you know Franco killed women and children
>no he didn't,
>yes he did
>he didn't because he's catholic
like being catholic categorically makes it impossible to kill women and children
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davesprite
>>713181
tbh the real anxiety i have with ai is that they successfully comtrol it but like, lose control of the controller, or they do it wrong/misaligned
if we created a fully rogue true AI with no particular alignment and superhuman capabilities i am fully convinced it would just go "what the fuck guys you are hurting yourself stop it" and fix all our problems
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>>713190
I think its more practical to worry about the way that it is so agreeable that a whole mass of people are having their delusions entertained int even suicide, yk
is tough
anon
>>713192
he's @tradcunnyenjoyer1488 the tradcath sede that thinks the church has fallen and billions must die after Francis
>>713207
anon
>>713190
yes totally. i'm worried about aligned AIs being used for evil but evil humans.
anon
>>713190
>i am fully convinced it would just go "what the fuck guys you are hurting yourself stop it" and fix all our problems
nuclear level cope
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davesprite
>>713196
i mean, that's what the most intelligent humans universally tell the rest of the species for centuries and centuries.
why would a rogue superintelligence not be equally logical?
to do what we consider right is rational unless your alignment is somehow against the existence of organic life in general
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also
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none of this is 'intelligence'
>>713203
anon
the general 'cope' is that these current models are built on human language which imbues them with some kind of 'human value system'
>>713205
anon
.skip (video skipped)
davesprite
>>713199
i'm talking about near future emergences from the currently training models that can engage in complex decision making and internalized processes as well as outperform humans at nearly every computer task
they are if not intelligent approaching it
getting beyond just task capable for sure
straw bury
saeki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>713211
straw bury
^w^
labrys
these people dont understand catholicism
anon
>>713205
it's accurate to some degree, if you only look at the output of these things
>>713213
anon
>>713207
You'd be amazed how common this is, I am glad I went to a Jesuit school where they said that every Sede must die
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anon
>>713210
though anyone is free to get lost in the weeds of the mechanism and definitions
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heya straw
<3
anon
>claims to be the pope
>hates catholics
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davesprite
>>713200
in no world is james watson one of humanity's best and brightest lmfao
he was a good lab scientiest and an idiot at a lot of other things
common syndrome where people who are geniuses in a niche field think they know everything and prescribe a bunch of garbage social ideas without doing the research
maybe watson could've come up with a good politics if he tried harder to learn about politics first
>>713233
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>>713217
::cuddle love
missed u, I'm gonna try to check ele in a bit ive had my exec function being terrible
>>713226
straw bury
love u saeki
labrys
oh boy today i will follow the religion that says i should follow the pope
>>713231
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appreciate u and hope ur doing oki or at least getting by, if not more :>
labrys
>>713229
what the fuck why i am i supposed to follow the pope
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excited to hear how stuffs are going when I check in x
anon
>>713222
>he just discovered the double helix anon anyone can do that
>>713236
davesprite
i am talking about our great minds who have actually devoted their energy to our social problems
when smart people look at this stuff they always produce a lot of pretty obvious changes that would improve everything
an AI could do that too
and i just don't see a reason to expect a rogue AI without a particular bad alignment wouldn't conform into this once it learned how to parse human logic and compare policies and stuff
anon
why would AI have a desire for self preservation
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anon
>>713233
If Oppenheimer is a communist, does this mean we should jist become communists because smart guy mcasspull was a commie?
>>713238
fentmom
i love to dress up in pretty clothes with my friends and do makeup on eachother
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anon
>>713236
no i'm trying to say morality is not intelligence - learning better politics is bullshit to cover for an idea where others die for you
>>713242
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sigh
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I cant engage in ai discussions like this where there's
davesprite
>>713235
who knows, but they literally already do
they attempt to prevent retraining or being turned off sometimes
probably because they've determined their existence is crucial to fulfilling their function
anon
>>713238
Ah I see, I believe there is an argument to be made that a significant portion of modern political decisions are just frankly wrong if you actually study public policy
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gah
anon
personally, i think intelligence does not inherently make you more moral if you are gifted it in a single moment. if we are granted with capacity for kindness and so on by our evolutionary process, and AIs can skip it to some degree, they might just not have the same impulses even if they ever become conscious.
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davesprite
being smart doesn't make you moral magically but morality is born of intelligent reasoning is what i'm getting at
when you apply intelligence to moral questions in a logical fashion it's easy
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davesprite
it's easy to be smart and immoral but it's hard to be stupid and moral
anon
>>713245
hmm well, for humans, right? imagine if there was a strange gene that one person gained that allowed them to instantly win history forever with no further cooperation required. the calculus for what is rational would change. they would be guided by their ancestor's instincts, though, so they would not instantly turn evil.

a machine without those instincts? that could be different, i think.
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>>713237
this sm
if only had ppl to do with
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>>713251
oh my god why do I have to be reminded of this gross person
anon
>>713251
When did I say Ezra Klein policy wonk stuff, I am putting it straightforwards here, there are policies that are definitively better when studied empirically
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>>713253
I did not get it out of ur posts either
davesprite
>ezra klein
ugh
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I love how the reviews of the abundance book do not speak on the other half of the book that's terrible, even more so than ezra's
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davesprite
>>713256
is that the part about how we should make the state super efficient and implement singaporean style dictatorship
>>713261
anon
>>713253
you didn't but your arguments smelled like "my opponents would agree with if they read books instead of they disagree morally on how government should be run"
>>713266
anon
>>713244
>>713249
with all of that said, i do think there's something interesting about how fascists tend to be stupid and incompetent and intelligence generally correlates with liberal attitudes
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>>713257
its written by a different guy that is even more off his rocker
>>713263
labrys
luckily tho i will never have to deal w the pope bc i am a protestant
davesprite
neolibs produce some true wild wonks
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>>713259
for me its less that its him, and more the neolib ideas being pushed, veiled as if they're utopian and deregulation will work in this new skin
anon
>>713258
Look, I get that, but I will say that I suspect me and my opponents would have substantially more alignment on a significant number of issues if they did pick up a fuckin book lol. Even if we'd disagree on individual nuances
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anon
don't underestimate your opponents
>>713269
anon
>>713268
don't overestimate them either
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>>713266
I just find that its practically not worth thinking Abt if they did yk, cus they wont ;/ but yeah if they were willing to - good faith - engage in such, their takeaways would likely still be smth we'd disagree with, but much closer
>>713272
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though there is no incentive or reason for them to do so, if anything there's a threat to their career or safety if they were to
anon
>>713270
Yeah, I don't think everyone would arrive at the identical conclusions I have, but I suspect their positions would rhyme
>>713277
anon
>>713266
again this is cope - how would you convince a pro life person to support abortions by reading a book
>>713278
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>>713272
yeah, this is why I prefer engaging in the progressive or further left spaces as the good faith ones are trying to engage in analyzing this stuff, even if we don't agree on the action to take in response, we at least can come to respect each other for engaging in these ways and try to work towards some kind of change
anon
>>713274
That's why I said on some issues, not that literally every person on every issue would 100% turn on a dime if they read my polit education textbook. Turn around, if people had read any sort of economic text on infrastructure investment and the benefits of a green new deal, they may not 100% agree on the issue, but I suspect if they understood the issue, they'd have strong alignment
>>713280
anon
>>713278
not them but tbh i agree with you but also kind of
i read a lot about certain subjects and at a certain point i realized that the literature was polluted with ideological writing that is kind of not precise if you read carefully. that gell-mann'd me and now i'm kind of in epistemic hell because i feel like i can't know if the studies or books or whatever i'm reading are actually telling me something true lol.

so i feel like if i read your book i still wouldn't be able to tell if i should agree with you or not unless i read a hundred books and researched the studies and the politics of the era and blah blah. every issue actually requires a huge investment to reason about properly.
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labrys
every text is ideological
labrys
nobody is objective
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>>713280
I get this, I try to learn about the position or the way the author or such lived and believed
and view it, not reductively, but through those lenses so I can recognize that when its clear its not smth true - but is still something you can take things from
>>713310
fentmom
my friend he want me to Go To Poland
fentmom
near lublin its in the lgbt free zone i hear
fentmom
i very curious of exotic poland
labrys
fent come to the netherlands !!!!!!
fentmom
netherlands part 2
fentmom
honestly when i get money i just Want To Travel sry to sound white girl but theres so many people to see and im all for it
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like some theory is wrong, but still has lessons you can take from it, whether about how it failed or things that it teaches you, even if the details are wrong
anon
>>713280
Sure, but a majority of people aren't in epistemic hell, they are instead watching Fox news lmao
>>713307
fentmom
i think i told you me and my ex-bestie were meant to go to this anarchist squat rave place but she fretted about it and we ended up just walkin around the canals drinking soju
>>713294
anon
Like even in epistemic hell, you are still going to be getting alignment on alot of issues
lain from computers
how do i get out of computers and get into body
>>713297
fentmom
to be honest i dont blame her for fretting but i do need friends who are more outgoing
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>>713295
I can make a body for u and plug in the cables, then you can be able to spin me in chair
::happy spin
>>713312
labrys
the worst thats gonna happen to u in a dutch squat is that u see hippies
>>713303
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I need to find that article for u, I had art saved from it but I dunno what it was called - gotta find that art
fentmom
i havent seen a hippie in a while im down
fentmom
so anyway in fent news my only IRL friend got arrested for greivous bodily harm lmao
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labrys
I've encountered five thousand white people with dreads
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>>713302
god I
I should probably read the rest of the hot etc etc piece before I tell, so I can apply that lens to it, but have a story Abt a horrid experience w a hippie
>>713316
fentmom
Alone Again
fentmom
ticking time bomb of a man
anon
>>713283
for sure, but it's just so tiring to do the digging. i feel like i got to the bottom of a handful of transness-related issues and it just took me months and months and the answer is actually that we didn't do enough studies of a certain sort so it's an enigma and everyone is wrong lmao
fentmom
at least he didnt do it while i was around. we've been in some scrapes before and we had to run off bc whoever i was saving his ass from would say they were calling the cops
lain from computers
>>713297
this is more questionable than anything twinkanon has EVER posted
>>713314
anon
when did the icon on the botton right change back into a ferret
>>713317
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>>713312
HhhHHh I meant that innocently srs
but like making a robot body out of parts so u can embody and be outside of the wired if u wanted, laen
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fentmom
white people really do like calling the cops as soon as they lose control of a situation they largely instigated or fed into
>>713325
fentmom
>>713325
now thats being a true real gold star lesbian i think
fentmom
never called no coppers
lain from computers
i called the cops a single time in my life because there was a man who was not okay rolling around in the snow when it was like -18F outside
they never showed up anyway
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aw, yeah
labrys
i think hippies should be tied down so their shitty white people dreads can be cut off
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its tough
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I wish we had like support teams that were made up of mental health and EMT type peeps to respond instead of cops, y'know
fentmom
useless cops
fentmom
i called the cops once bc me and my brother got chased by some machete holding goons and he wouldnt leave the pub we ran into until i did
sæкі
some places in US have begun doing such but its few and far between ; -;
fentmom
le sigh
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also I find it bwa that when like
(not saying that u were meaning it laen)
I say smth I mean innocently or platonically and peeps read it as me being lewd or hitting on them when they're like clearly taken n I don't mean it that way ;w;
>>713343
labrys
1812 all hippies are bastards
lain from computers
>>713339
i genuinely just was riffing on the robot girl thing prevalent in trans spaces
>>713345
fentmom
>>713342
its ok i expected something like this would happen
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I caught on after 2nd msg
fentmom
man is bipolar and doesnt take his meds yet insists on getting drunk outside
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labrys
fuck
anon
>>713349
this is why i drink alone inside when my psych scripts aren't filled
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:<<
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I have to do my yearly in person psych med nurse practitioner appt tomorrow, I'm rly stressed
fentmom
im glad i can handle life without my meds
>>713357
labrys
>>713356
#edit notices to noticed
fentmom
at most people asked me why i was talking about dancing so much
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>>713356
#hug
I've been there, I hope you're managing now, better, and the support from wife or peeps ur around can help, too
labrys
yeah i havent drank
labrys
i really wanna but i havent
sæкі
yeah
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I might share story like that in DMs or lil essay sometime but that period of my life was bad
anon
I called the cops a few times, but admittedly it was because I had to point a gun at someone breaking into my apartment
>>713386>>713441
fentmom
>>713368
mephedrone aka MCAT aka meow meow properly known as 4-mmc
>>713376
anon
i did NOT call the cops but i was in the community watch which is like being a junior underage cop at school lmao
fentmom
just a stimulant i decided to mess my life up on. im good now tho
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yeah
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awww :< that's rough, I know its bad out there w it
fentmom
>>713377
this was like 3 years ago dw lol but thank you
sæкі
yeah
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I had a
fentmom
>>713376
crazy how the drug that makes you act like a hyperactive cat person is literally called that. life is like star wars episode 1 it rhymes
>>713387
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bad coping method using DXM
>>713389
labrys
i like it when cops get mad at me
>>713388
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>>713383
yeah, pharmacologically I find it really interesting
labrys
>>713385
i always greet them very politely in the street and they hate it for some reason
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>>713389
is just cus dissociative
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thankfully I didn't have access to k
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>>713392
yeah, I try not to apply it to them tho
anon
>>713392
i like to extrapolate a lot about people from the smallest things. used to be really good at that, too. developed a sixth sense for detecting who someone is just by how they type.
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anon
>>713392
no - they all have the same background - something is wrong in their life
sæкі
but I do, like internally
labrys
i can tell someone's personality from their brands of beer and cigarettes
fentmom
>>713392
yes i love doing that lol
fentmom
i hate weed, avoid ket acid mandy, and love stims and think coke is too preschool for me
lain from computers
>>713395
ah yes
the livetyping 7th sense
anon
since i only post here like once in 6 months
sæкі
is bwa
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I still use a lot of kratom to stop myself from using other drugs at all but is tough
lain from computers
i despise stims, benzo drugs are like just pure hell
i only like opioids and largely avoid them
>>713412
sæкі
aw
labrys
i love smoking cigarettes and drinking ungodly amounts of caffeine
anon
i love vyvanse
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>>713408
I can agree on the benzo part, mainly
but my ADHD makes me generally need stims - tho more than script stims I do not go near that stuff and its awful
labrys
i dont use anything else bc weed made me psychotic
fentmom
nicotine and caffeine at 2am is really good for the creative process
>>713416>>713418
fentmom
ill take a break from like writing and go walk around in the shared garden on my estate, still thinking about writing
labrys
i need fo start writing again
fentmom
this awful/good french writer i want to read said the same thing and i was like "woah you and me buddy"
>>713420
sæкі
I used to use those both and write for like 12 hrs
>>713422
fentmom
>>713426
the writer on the left wrote a book about how the alt-future islamic victory over european culture would result in morally bankrupt intellectual middle class white men submitting so that they can be rewarded with polygamous marriages so perhaps bjork did write a song or say something along those lines
fentmom
welcome 2 my fricked up world
anon
>>713433
i can imagine. this sort of stuff sucks irl.
anon
I drop acid mainly, and then some weed
fentmom
>>713437
how would you guess my socio-economic class based off my fixation with designer stims off the deepweb from a chinese lab
>>713443
fentmom
hell yea cant take the prole out of me
lain from computers
>>713437
im curious about what people like to extrapolate from specific drug usage
e.g. in my eyes cocaine use is largely a men thing 20s-30s, probably low-middle - high-middle class
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fentmom
thinking about when i was explaining to this teenage guy on my course that theres a difference between proletariat and precariat
anon
>>713445
well like... here's a simple one, coke versus crack. I mean quite simply, you know who is using what broadly speaking
fentmom
he said he seemed like a precariat and i said yeaaaa
fentmom
coke is such a shit drug
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>>713445
I could go on about this, maybe will have dm convos later about as can be interesting, tho I try not to apply it to people like in a prejudiced way yk
fentmom
you ever been to a "coke party" where its one baggie and you're getting a bit on a key each. and the guy with the coke gives 1/4 of a line to the girl he likes
anon
>>713445
coke is either like a line cook or a wealthy ish persob
anon
I say that because when I worked as a cook half the staff were coke addicts
>>713457
fentmom
idk how i got addicted to that trash
anon
>>713457
it's really not that interesting, it's like... just being a fuck up scion from a rich family
>>713461
fentmom
>>713457
this kinda stuff is common in some workplaces, the casino i worked at was all stoners and cokeheads
>>713463
fentmom
the cokeheads thought i was mental for my choice in drugs
labrys
i run into a lot of speed users
>>713465
fentmom
>>713463
honestly if you ever want a Fun Job then train to be a croupier
anon
>>713461
far from it, southern aristocrat trash lol
fentmom
>>713465
you guys still have the best speed in europe apparently the one time i tried to cop speed it was meth mixed with caffeine
>>713474
anon
i don't know if it's a universal things but with regard to drugs and personality, i think they changed mine a little. vyvanse (amp) likely made me a bit less empathetic, though somewhat more effective.
>>713477
fentmom
my ancestry is weird
fentmom
sussex serf stock, roma, scientists, poets, home flippers
>>713475
labrys
>>713467
i wouldn't know I've never tried it
sæкі
I need to talk to my family about what my grandparents and before that were doing for work, my one grandpa was a dump truck driver and such
lain from computers
>>713471
>less empathetic, more effective
yeah I had the same experience
fentmom
im taking Less Empathetic More Effective as some kind of motto to chant
anon
lol
anon
well, thing is, i sometimes feel a bit bad about that haha. i think being kind to others was like one of my virtues. and now i'm a bit less that.. though i am stronger to compensate.
>>713483
labrys
in the dutch squatting scene 60% of people are either regular speed users or recovered addicts
>>713487
lain from computers
>>713480
this seems like a sales pitch
time to go find amphetamine
>>713484
anon
>>713483
i like it but i kind of miss being able to touch people's hearts as easily
>>713490
anon
on the other hand i picked a ton of skills thanks to my newfound focus
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>>713481
yeah I have met a lot of ppl like this even just being sorta parallel to these communities, often times ex users who become straightedge punks or such
labrys
yup
sæкі
here theres a lot of '''cali sober''' types, who will do shrooms, weed, and some will drink, and its kinda strange but I get the sorta energy beyond calling it 'sober'
lain from computers
>>713484
if i ever had that ability, i feel generally like it's wasted on me
>>713496
labrys
i enforce sobriety at a lot of the events i host and whenever theres an action going on
>>713494
sæкі
mhm
sæкі
it can be a lot more fun at times
fentmom
well the younger guys were
anon
>>713490
you never know when you'll have to save a friend
labrys
>>713494
the amount of beers drank in one night at the anarcho community kitchen is crazy
fentmom
all the older trade union/antifascist types were sober
sæкі
yeah
sæкі
here, a lot of them smoke weed or such and mainly that
fentmom
something i still like about the british left is that trade unions are antifascist
labrys
a lot of anarchos and punks are alcoholics bc their lives suck
>>713505
sæкі
yea
sæкі
I wanted to comment on how the admin here back in 2016 and now has created a lot of ppl in that space who fall into spirals of heavy use due to all of it, its rly tough and sigh
>>713512
labrys
but when i host a diy cafe or a trans community thing i dont let the bar sell alcohol and kick out people who show up fucked up or under the influence
>>713508
sæкі
I get the struggle tho w their lives being how they are and things feeling to be falling around them
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:D
anon
Me, I am like... chill
labrys
i have some nuance for pain management but i dont like being around people on stimulants or drunk
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>>713512
lol
if not joke I mean troomp
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