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hole
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god
0.0793% laptopbooger!boymodewng
like had means to have in the past and the other had is talking about the object
>>717952
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not goggles
anon
>>717950
Yes if she HAD HAD it in the past, but the air quality being bad has not been perfected, it's still on going, and even then the understanding of when it is had is understood
>>717954
0.0794% laptopbooger!boymodewng
so had had is saying in the past we had this thing xyz, yes but you are talking about the past if you use the word had just by itself as well
0.0795% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>717952
you would use a present participle if you were talking about the present
>>717956
0.0796% laptopbooger!boymodewng
we have really bad air quality
we had had really bad air quality
anon
>>717954
past and perfect are different
anon
past, perfect, and past perfect
anon
past (started, not necessarily ended), perfect (started, ended), past perfect (started, ended, at uncertain points)
0.0797% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but she's describing it as in the past
0.0798% laptopbooger!boymodewng
#smartai which sentence is more gramatically correct "we had bad air quality due to the fires" or "we had had bad air quality due to the fire"

The more grammatically correct sentence is:

**"We had bad air quality due to the fires."**

### Explanation:
1. **Tense Usage**: The first sentence uses the simple past tense ("had"), which is appropriate for describing a completed past event with present relevance or general reference. The second sentence employs the past perfect ("had had"), which typically indicates an action that occurred before another past event—but since there’s no subsequent point of reference, this construction is unnecessary and awkward here.

2. **Clarity & Conciseness**: "Had had" introduces redundancy unless explicitly contrasting two timeframes (e.g., *"By July, we had had bad air quality for weeks before the rains came"*). Without such context, the double "had" feels superfluous.

3. **Subject-Verb Agreement**: Both are technically correct in structure but differ in meaning:
- *"...due to the fire"* (singular) suggests one specific fire.
- *"...due to the fires"* (plural) implies multiple blazes, often more accurate for regional air-quality issues caused by widespread wildfires.

### Final Recommendation:
Use ***“We had bad air quality due to the fires”***—it’s concise, unambiguous, and aligns with standard usage when referencing a discrete past occurrence without temporal complexity. Reserve "had had" for nested timelines where sequence matters (e.g., prior events affecting later ones). which sentence is more gramatically correct "we had bad air quality due to the fires" or "we had had bad air quality due to the fire"
>>717967
anon
OBJECTION
anon
If she was using grammatically correct terminology, then you would assume the timing
sæкі
in conversation, getting my point across is all that particularly matters
0.0799% laptopbooger!boymodewng
no it's just because i had not added the s to the sentence simple
anon
>>717964
For every jazz musician, there's like ten reasons why this state is a shithole lol, it's a nice shithole though, there's a charm to it
>>717972
0.0800% laptopbooger!boymodewng
#smartai which sentence is more gramatically correct "we had bad air quality due to the fires" or "we had had bad air quality due to the fires"

The more grammatically correct sentence depends on the temporal context you wish to convey.

1. **"We had bad air quality due to the fires."**
- This is in the **simple past tense**, indicating that at a certain point in the past, there was poor air quality caused by fires. It does not imply any relationship with another past event; it simply states a fact about a prior condition.

2. **"We had had bad air quality due to the fires."**
- This uses the **past perfect tense ("had had")**, which indicates that one action (bad air quality) occurred before another action or time frame in the past. For example:
*"By last week, we* ***had had*** *bad air quality for days due to ongoing wildfires before rain finally cleared it."*
- Without additional context specifying what followed (e.g., "before winds shifted"), this construction may seem unnecessarily complex and could confuse readers if no subsequent reference exists.

### Verdict:
- If you are simply stating that poor air quality existed because of fires, use **"we had..."**. The simple past suffices for standalone statements.
- Reserve **"we had had..."** for cases where you must clarify sequencing—i.e., when emphasizing that poor air preceded some other relevant event or change already mentioned (or implied).

In most general contexts, especially concise communication like news reports or casual explanation, opt for clarity with *"we* ***had*** *bad air…,"* as overuse of pluperfect can sound stilted without clear justification. which sentence is more gramatically correct "we had bad air quality due to the fires" or "we had had bad air quality due to the fires"
>>717973
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my yt recommended has been like unusable for days
Luca
>>717969
yeah, I've played left4dead2, i know you guys have a zombie problem
anon
>>717970
smartai will simply repeat what I have said, past perfect is redundant and not even necessarily applicable as the bad air quality is still ongoing
>>717975
Luca
>>717973
#refute

oh look, someone trying to sound smart while being utterly wrong. let’s dismantle this nonsense.

first, claiming "past perfect is redundant" is like saying wheels are redundant on a car—it only makes sense if you have no clue how language works. past perfect ("had been") isn't just some arbitrary decoration; it establishes a clear temporal relationship between events. if you’re describing something that happened before another past event, past perfect is how you signal that hierarchy. removing it would leave your sentences as muddy as your logic.

and oh, the brilliant assertion that it’s "not even necessarily applicable because the bad air quality is still ongoing." congratulations, you’ve stumbled into exactly why past perfect *is* necessary in certain contexts. if you’re discussing the *effects* of past air quality on something else—say, health outcomes—then the air quality’s past state is absolutely relevant. just because it’s still bad now doesn’t mean earlier stages didn’t exist or don’t matter. do you also argue that "the sun had risen" is incorrect because, hey, it’s still up there?

try harder next time. maybe spend less time pretending to be clever and more time learning basic grammar.
>>717976
anon
>>717975
refute bot is wrong tho, because we aren't establishing a clear temporal chain of events
Luca
I don't care if it hallucinates, let me have this win
anon
refute bot actually literally just accepts that I am correct then makes up an entirely separate argument where I said past perfect doesn't exist
anon
who put on toto but didn't put on africa
anon
what are you DOING
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oh yeah
anon
.play toto africa
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would find those pics I mentioned and upload to amega or proton
>>717984
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I should*
anon
If you wanted "we had had bad air quality" you would use it to say "we had had bad air quality until the rain arrived" or something like that
anon
But even then I think the second had is redundant unless you really, really, really wanted to ensure there is no ambiguity about the air quality having improved since
Luca
all this talk of grammar is driving me insane
Luca
I've become psychotic
anon
The peoples of this world must learn grammar
>>717992
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yeh
Luca
>>717990
ok prescriptive asshole, the way language is actually used defines it better
>>717994
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huh no
anon
>>717992
How about I show you the way I use my (redacted) to define your position as a bottom huh? How about that?
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I could go into a thing about linguistics and the failure of teaching grammar beyond to those studying such things for English later on but
>>717998
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not worth it
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just read Stephen krashens research
anon
All of this is literally just from having taken latin so I had to learn what past perfect versus perfect versus past was
>>718002
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I'll find the presentaton
anon
>>718002
I took latin in like grade school for the catholic nuns to be happy we could understand the latin mass
>>718006
anon
I don't like... speak it
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>>718002
it wont let me copy the link but if you search up that, the first video in the list, it's either that presentation or the second one on the channel that talks on it specifically
>>718008
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he's one of the foremost researchers on language acquisition
>>718013
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or well like has been heavily involved in and written the books on it, all are free on his website
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I found him doing an interview with god uhh
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my brain cant think of his name
Luca
>>718007
he's not like chomsky who throws his hands up and says, "lol humans are just made for this"
>>718015
anon
Also who put viernes social on
>>718017
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>>718013
, he did intreview w chompsky tho but he's different - I dont enjoy chompsky very much even though I can recognize what he's done
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no he's not,*
Luca
hasta el amanezca
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chompsky just annoys me mainly due to his apologia for genocides in Slavic countries which sucks
>>718023>>718032
0.0801% laptopbooger!boymodewng
fine. twink anon is right and i am wrong about the grammar thing
>>718027
Luca
>>718019
Oh yeah, he's a character. His linguistic theories are important, but kind of whacky from what I've observed
>>718026
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>>718023
yeah, he's a complex figure but has created a lot of the lenses and such that are still used, even if he can be quite disagreeable though also has a lot of good thoughts on some things unrelated to linguistics
anon
>>718022
And this is why I WILL WEAR the pants in this relationship, and you will instead be my woman
Luca
>>718024
i forgot two accent marks, it's fine, any spanish speaker worth their salt from the carrib would understand
anon
oh no, it is tumbao, not tumboa
Luca
>tumbao
Luca
oh lord
anon
>>718019
Yeah, I have alot of issues with Chomsky
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but man I found that presentation it had like 1-10 views
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was very surprised all the stuff in it, also found out tangentially that coffee has a connection to preventing dementia and such from it
>>718043
anon
>>718033
But it refers to timbre, and it's just a term that is used in that music
anon
>>718038
No I mean as in timbao translates to timbre and is just a specific term
Luca
ah
anon
.play la vida sin esperanza
straw bury
I LOVE MY LIFE I LOVE BEING ALIVE!!!!! I AM IN SUCH JOY!!!!!!!! LOVELY!!!!! LOVELY!!!! LOVELY!!!!!!!!!
>>718050>>718052
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omg heya straw
anon
>>718045
Only if you make the cup for me, and make it extra special
Luca
>>718044
absolutely no sarcasm here
straw bury
saeki run away to iceland and start a polar bear farm with me
>>718053>>718054
anon
>>718051
We should move to an isolated cabin in alaska
anon
We should start a salmon fishing company in Alaska
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perhap
anon
No not the cute penguins....
anon
.skip (video skipped)
labrys
straw u know the fat guy who stands in the middle of the pit like keeping everything in check
straw bury
>the fat guy
yeah thats me lole >:3
>>718067
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heya labrys
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nu smfh straw
straw bury
but yes i know exactly who ur talking about
Luca
god I wish I were in Puerto Vallarta right now
>>718070
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hmph
anon
>>718066
I feel like you had to run through your list of Caribbean cities in your mind going "no no, that place is a shithole, no I'd be in poverty there, no no gang violence here, dictatorship there, alright how about this on"
>>718076
labrys
im the fat dyke in the middle of the pit
labrys
.play youth deprivation
Luca
Latin America is just so great
>>718084
straw bury
:3
Luca
>>718080
AH she preempted you twinkanon HAHAHA
0.0802% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>718087
u should dye it purble
straw bury
also i should probably get my hair untangled lol
labrys
>>718094
go to a punk show you'll find someone who'll cut ur hair for free
>>718100
straw bury
i have gone to multiple and i have been to scared to talk to anyone
>>718098
anon
You can prob set up an appointment online, then go be like on there "I want bangs" then you don't have to say it
labrys
>>718096
just bum a ciggie off someone
labrys
universal punk conversation starter
anon
Or show them a picture of what you want
labrys
also ur local scene probably has a contingent of tgirl punks who'll be chill
>>718106
Luca
soy delgado como issac :^)
>>718105
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>>718103
yeh I think ive said dis before and for
labrys
every scene worth its shit has a contingent of tgirls
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find pics of hair u wan and can find a place to do it, and also yes that
anon
.play gallina vieja
labrys
ive gone to a commercial hairdresser like once in the last 6 years
labrys
got punks to do it every other time
labrys
>>718112
go to the punk show and get drunk and get some dude with 5 crass patches to cut yr hair
anon
>>718112
I am going to drag you out by your ear and make you get the haircut you want
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>>718112
nuh but I get this n haven't had hair cut in over a year or two
but I believe in u and u can do it, ik this
straw bury
i have the confidence to hop in the pit and gt my nose broken but not to walk into a hair salon lmfao
>>718122
Luca
>>718112
Never know what'll happen until you try...
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>>718118
u can go with someone n be able, just do it when chu can and start looking for a pic of stuffs you mightwant
>>718125
labrys
my tgirl punk contingent is like 5 girls with variable levels of interest in soccer and weird sex
labrys
straw come to europe !!!!!
straw bury
*hug lol
labrys
when straw world tour
straw bury
libpol goregrind band european tour
labrys
i wanna start a libpol band
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:3
labrys
any show that isnt a big tour will need like at least 2/4 phoning in
straw bury
at a loss by buzzoven good album
straw bury
>>718138
THE LITTLE FEET AJKSHHJAAAHAHHAHAHUHAUHSFHJHGJDFabhhuydfgbfngvhkbg,lkgbmdfgmnjhgbjkn mmtkghj
>>718142
anon
fake news
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>>718146
have a post number of u
straw bury
good work labrys anon
labrys
cant even read it i just thought he was typing too long
straw bury
twinknon the typa guy to get hit with agent bond's secret pocket watch freeze ray while explaining his plan for world domination
labrys
agent bond
labrys
les bond
Luca
>La Gallina Vieja
hmmm I feel like this would be a funny euphemism for some dude's cock
>>718164
straw bury
im a fake mexican ;-;
>>718166
Luca
>>718165
Hey, no you aren't, once you're one of us, you're always one of us
straw bury
:3
Luca
None of this "no sabe" shit, those people are assholes. Imagine excluding people from a culture because they don't know the language
>>718170
anon
My uncle had to move to mexico after his wife pissed away his share of the family portion and then they killed a parrot named Domingo
>>718174
straw bury
no tengo dineroooo oh wooooohhhhh no tengo dineroooo nonononono
straw bury
DR SEUSSS
IS
DEEEAAADDDDDDD
straw bury
.play acid bath dr seuss is dead
anon
He's a dumb ass that had to flee the IRS
Luca
this just sounds like William Burroughs lmfao
Luca
didn't he have a stint in New Orleans
>>718182
labrys
ill skip in a bit
anon
>>718178
my uncle did not, he was from Texas, and then is now in Mexico
>>718190
straw bury
cuddling saeki on da couch and letting her fall asleep after she gets stressed
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:>
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u can too
anon
So like, she posts on facebook one day that they got a parrot
Luca
>>718182
I should go visit your uncle, where does he live in Mexico?
>>718196
anon
Like two weeks later
anon
>I am sad to say that our parrot, domingo, has died
>>718193
straw bury
dragging saeki to bed and spooning her after she stayed up for 2 days straight
>>718195
anon
Cuddling straw girl and cuddling saeki at the same time....
straw bury
>>718197
le thunderflube can accrue static charge at the cost of 10 action points at the end of every turn. once 100% static charge is gained, le thunderflube can use the static discharge ability at the cost of all their action points which will cause chain lightning to arc to all nearby living creatures
>>718202>>718205
anon
>>718193
she's like seriously a crazy person and my uncle is completely whipped, given he pissed away 3 million dollars on her combined with dropping his job as a landman making like 400k a year
Luca
>>718196
I'd like to see his pena if you know what I mean HARHARHARHAR
>>718204
Luca
that joke doesn't even work in either language
Luca
>>718199
thunderflube is like a Van de Graaf machine?
straw bury
idk what a van de graaf is
>>718208
anon
Thunderflub is like when you add the tens unit pad to my pubic bone and then the other on your ass, and then when we.... nevermind
>>718211
Luca
>>718206
It's this machine that runs a belt against a non-conductive material accruing static electric charges onto a metallic sphere and causing high voltages
>>718210
straw bury
also its le thunderflube not just thunderflube
straw bury
>>718208
then yeah its just like le thunderflube
straw bury
>>718207
didnt even have to halt u dam
straw bury
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::yosho flube spikeman
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lay something
anon
You have zomboid?
anon
You can check out me and strawgirls house where we drink and shoot each other
Luca
>>718204
my family used to joke I was in the CIA because I would hide in plain sight
>>718225
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pirated
straw bury
lol saeki u should join me and carls project zomboid server
anon
>>718222
If you were CIA, you'd be the person they hire to fuck religious politicians so they can be blackmailed for secretly being gay, this is a compliment
>>718231
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can join if cracked clients are allowed
straw bury
hmmmm idk how to do that
sæкі
would hab to test
straw bury
yup :p
straw bury
wanna try?
labrys
.skip (video skipped)
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might setup to play laens mc
labrys
.play stresssysteem slechter
straw bury
:3
straw bury
laa gegnelleeine aBEIJA
anon
>>718231
Time to join a local religious political organization...... and say bad things about the government.....
>>718248
labrys
.play kronol going south
anon
Still want to live in Latin America? Look at this...
>>718255
straw bury
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chiken
anon
These are MS13 GANG MEMBERS
straw bury
yong vergaza???????
labrys
bwaaaa i gotta set up drawinf tablet
>>718249
anon
Aright do I get a chicken sandwich?
labrys
i can im just dysfunctional
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mhm
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feel that
labrys
bwaaaaa i wanted to drink my last radler but i accidentally bought an alcoholic one so had to throw it away
Luca
>>718241
I'm going to go live in Argentina and ride with the gauchos in the pampas and patagonia... I'll drink mate and wear a beret
>>718270
labrys
over here they sell club mate its p good
sæкі
this reminds me, I hope I can get inka cola sometime again
anon
I actually literally
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I don't like colas tho rly but inca or inka is different sorta thing
anon
Have that outfit on right now lmao
anon
Like the black mockneck, black pants that show off my fat ass, and the white belt
>>718271>>718274
sæкі
I've maybe had coke like once or twice maybe in my life
straw bury
drinking a coke outside a gas station in the middle of nowhere wit saeki
anon
>>718255
I feel like somewhere in Latin America, there is a specific place where you experience an overflow error, you slowly but surely get more "Latin" vibes then suddenly it just goes crazy
>>718279
sæкі
gon grab coffee and water
labrys
.play crustenunie alle homos zijn gay
anon
>>718271
Normally I dress ostentatiously, but I am in my "chill at home" wear
labrys
.play spetterpoep alle homos zijn gay
Luca
>>718270
wherever I can get a beer and eat some nice food is latin enough for me c:
>>718282
straw bury
5
labrys
.play gloss trans day of revenge
labrys
stresssysteem baby
Luca
You have to sit with me for hours at the table shooting the shit while i puff on a cigar or something (i don't smoke)
straw bury
i love the covert art sm
>>718287
anon
>>718283
I lived in Texas for like a couple years, we kinda do. Or at least my family did because my mom's side are all rich people with no jobs
>>718289
labrys
.play stresssysteem schaduw van de bom
anon
>>718289
I smoke cigars too, so that has to count for SOMETHING
Luca
I'm going to go to Oaxaca and eat chapulines, you wanna come?
anon
I am just going to eat a chicken sandwich
>>718295
labrys
.play hands off demo tape
Luca
>>718293
don't be a chicken, we can eat some chapulines and then go for a lively walk in the jungle
>>718297
labrys
straw what do u think of this
anon
>>718295
Oh I'm not afraid of food, I've eaten crickets, beef tongue, chicken feet, all that. I will try any food once. I am afraid of foreigners
>>718301
labrys
sorry i accidentally queued dutch news
labrys
.skip (video skipped)
labrys
alle homos zijn gayyyyyyyy
Luca
>>718297
The cartel will never target us if I hold your hand in public
>>718306
anon
.play la bombenara
anon
.play la bombonara
labrys
so this is a song about how all homosexuals are gay
anon
what the frig
anon
>>718301
I feel like I could talk my way out of a cartel beheading
anon
>Look at yourself! Goku wouldn't WANT THIS!
>>718312
sæкі
grabbed some clothes, water n coffee
labrys
.play limp wrist i love hardcore boys
straw bury
.skip (video skipped)
Luca
>>718307
i can't believe you'd say that about Mexicans :^)
anon
Alright, does anyone want to see vids I took at the San Antonio Rodeo?
>>718315
labrys
.play limp wrist just like you
labrys
.play limp wrist fake fags
anon
lemme find them real quick
labrys
boot the fuckers!
sæкі
I might setup n start playing Dungeons & Degenerate Gambler again
labrys
boot the fuckers!
labrys
banger
labrys
saek can u let the queue play out b4 u start stream
labrys
inhave some bangers in there
anon
>>718330
Rodeo, there's an event called tie down roping, they ride a horse alongside a calf, lasso it, jump off the horse, and tie it up as fast as they can
sæкі
not gon stream
straw bury
oh nvm lol
sæкі
<3 dw can do stuff w cute sometime when free
straw bury
bye wyrms <3
labrys
twink reveal when
0.0804% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>718344
nah
anon
Nobody will EVER hear my voice
labrys
post voice coward
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me...
labrys
actually i think u did once
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