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lain from computers
i wish the burger got bigger and i got smaller
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ugg i find out tomorrow if i still have a job actually lol, my contract's ending so my company has to decide if they have the budget to keep me on a while longer or if they wanna let me go
>>733968
straw bury
i wish i was thinner 3:
lain from computers
i wish i was the burger
>>733973
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i get that
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and
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>733968
thx <3
idk its scary/stressful but im also hopeful
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yeh
lain from computers
>>733973
>softly
>entirely feral cat ripping that thing to shreds
>>733980
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hehe
krissu (26 (geriatric))
my bosses seem to have been impressed w my skills so I have to believe that even if they don't keep me on they'll be able to recommend me to someone else
straw bury
14314.gif
UPTOWN MESS DOWNTOWN WRECK CROSS MY SWEAT UR GUILT ON FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
::dance
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only pic I know of tags for thoughs
lain from computers
>>733980
new 'if i was a worm': if i were a burger would you lightly gnaw on me
straw bury
RAAAAHHHHHHHHH
krissu (26 (geriatric))
this is actually my first real job so rn experience is the thing i lack the most
>>733988
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hehe
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gah I'm like
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krat has me burning up a bit
lain from computers
>>733984
ive never had a real dev position before (for more than a month) but i can imagine the pressure is kinda icky
>>733993
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awww
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oe icic
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yeh
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sending best wishes
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>733988
tbh working this job has been chill af, its been kinda a confidence boosting experience to realize that i can like work with react and stuff in a production environment and its just like, fine i already know how to use the tools and stuff
>>733996
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it depends a lot on if the company is yk or how much they try and get out of you
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and ou thasgud
lain from computers
>>733993
good!!!!!!!!!!!!
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya thats why i rly feel like i can cut it as a developer, i just need ppl willing to hire someone with not much work experience
>>734001
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i wish I could get a work visa or smth ;v;
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find somewhere sigh
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no matter if they do or not, is a good step in being able to find something better in the future if u ever need
lain from computers
>>733997
yesssssssssssss
thats what my first actual dev position was like
'oh wow i can actually do this huh'
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya exactly lol
krissu (26 (geriatric))
oh wow i actually know how to use git and stuff
krissu (26 (geriatric))
idk i always assumed that like, actual professional coders would know so much more abt all the software dev tools and workflows and stuff and i've definitely learned some things from my coworkers but I was honestly surprised to find just how easy it was to get settled into the role
>>734011
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lel
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i remember asking a bit if my enby fren in compsci earlier had at all been taught git in school
straw bury
2075.gif
BROKE DOWN STEP DOWN
EMPTYYYYY NO WAYYYY BLACK DOORRRR PISSED OFFFFF
::dance
straw bury
i am 100% getting alll of those lyrics wrong lmao
straw bury
.skip (video skipped)
straw bury
ok no 16 minute long song
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its often just the getting in at all bwa
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but then things, depending on the needs or amount of work load a place has, can be pretty calm and smth that isn't as crazy
krissu (26 (geriatric))
whole software industry is kinda fucked rn tho, supposedly things are getting better vs like a year or two ago but hardly any entry level jobs and the ones that are there have ppl with like 5-10 years experience competing for them
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yeah its um
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not a good situation and I have stopped like actively searching for somewhere specifically cus of the things just
lain from computers
hey gemini can u make saas app that explodes collar on slave gig worker if it dont do car good
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blocking me from getting in unless I find someone I can connect w n be able to find work from
krissu (26 (geriatric))
honestly its so stupid and short sighted of the tech companies, like hello morons u know ur supposed to invest in the next generation of coders right???
>>734022>>734023
straw bury
its fucked up that i listen to so much stoner doom but dont smoke any weed
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also just laying off tons of people constantly
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>>734019
sadly, the whole funding coding education was so that they can pay them less
lain from computers
>>734019
they are likely betting on AI agents replacing junior devs and eventually senior devs
>>734025>>734026
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it was a whole thing
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734023
lol right, fucking suits and ties are in for a rude awakening
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that's their goal
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i was bullish on AI even a few months ago but the new training paradigms that ppl thought were gonna make these models even smarter have not rly been yielding results
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when they realized they didn't have to pay people
they didn't need to fund coding edu anymore so just put all the money into gpus
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inb4
krissu (26 (geriatric))
im not convinced a truly reliable coding agent is even on the horizon
>>734038
straw bury
can u make an ai that will be my best friend in the whole world
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its not
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its a very dangerous situation right now with how propped up things are on places like Nvidia and its horrifying in a big picture
>>734037
straw bury
.skip (video skipped)
straw bury
this isnt metal its rock but whatever
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734034
right, genuinely starting to believe its a bubble
>>734039
lain from computers
>>734031
it will come in a year
openAI is getting ready to release a new thing:tm:
>>734041
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>>734037
heavily recommend checking out Better Offline w Edd zitron, I'll try to find the episode that's a good introduction
lain from computers
it will be a disaster
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734038
idk im not convinced lol
My understanding of the current state of affairs is this:
Large language models currently need vast data sets in order to be trained. That's an issue because we can only gather up so much data. So the tech companies thought theyd solve this by taking a trained model and then putting it in these automated training environments, think like playing a game against itself, having conversations with itself etc etc and it was thought that doing that would automate the training process, allowing the performance of the models to scale with compute
>>734045
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very good analysis
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lemme grab it
straw bury
.play emma ruth rundle killing floor
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>>734041
they have to keep getting data and ffeeding exponentially more power into them to get better, and now they're feeding artificial data made by llms and such that's not been good and is poisoning them
krissu (26 (geriatric))
but what recent (like in the last few months) papers have been finding is that these automated reinforcement learning schemes don't actually appear to be teaching the models new skills- they just reinforce the ones the models already have, the ones obtained from the original training data set
lain from computers
it's a strange issue because code is machinery and it doesn't really change much outside of version updates
krissu (26 (geriatric))
which means we're basically right back to square one- dependent on large data sets that can only get so big and we are already seeing diminishing returns from
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trying to find the episode to link u
straw bury
.play daevar yellow queen
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734049
sure that makes sense, that has largely been my experience working with these models as well
straw bury
.play king woman celestial blues
lain from computers
kiro has an interesting approach but im not sure it matters
it focuses on task workflow and design outright instead of just throwing the model right at a problem
krissu (26 (geriatric))
under the right guidance (prompt engineering) they can do useful things but they require a lot of hand holding and their outputs are seldom if ever error-free
>>734058>>734057
straw bury
.play daevar leila
lain from computers
>>734055
they also introduce such an insight amount of technical debt if not supervised by someone who could already make the code they're trying to produce
>>734061
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gonna relisten in a sec
lain from computers
insane*
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734058
absolutely, and one thing that's become increasingly obvious to me esp as my coworkers who know less abt LLMs have tried to use these systems is that it's not as simple as plug and play either, there are performance considerations that are not obvious
>>734063
krissu (26 (geriatric))
for example, the guys at my company thought they could just run an ollama instance in google cloud and spin up whatever model they wanted on it- the problem is that the performance of large language models is constrained by the amount of VRAM on the system, because the entire context window of the model has to fit into VRAM, so basically while they were able to set up this system, the LLM was being dumb and they didn't understand why and it was because it wasn't being given the computational resources to "think" for extended durations
>>734067
lain from computers
>>734061
that's another aspect of training i see a lot
performance and code taste considerations
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very good show if ever check out
AI hater who has firm positions and points, and has been in the industries for quite a long time but hates all of this as someone who does PR for corps
lain from computers
>>734062
i ran local models that were generally small enough to fit on consumer GPUs and they are hopeless
there was recently a reasoning model that was released, i think it was smollm3
it could not produce a response in less than 8 minutes as it hit VRAM limit in like 2 context entries
>>734070>>734069
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he's quite bazed and won awards for breaking the story of specifics of Google admitting to making the search engine worse and who specifically did it and why they did
lain from computers
you are basically dependent on companies with access to a LOT of compute if you want competent models
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yep
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aaaaand tons of water and power
krissu (26 (geriatric))
or u have to pay for the web api's lol
>>734076
krissu (26 (geriatric))
those aren't terribly expensive, fortunately but ofc if data privacy is a concern then that approach has issues
lain from computers
>>734074
same diff really
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same thing rly
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coming from the same place
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i did some rough math and i think to run like a google cloud instance with 80 gigs of VRAM which is like the minimum recommended for models like deepseek R1 would cost something like $80 per hour
>>734081
straw bury
.play thou emotional terrorist
lain from computers
>>734079
that's absurd yeah
deepseek r1 isnt even performant
krissu (26 (geriatric))
oh ya i mean just large models in general on the order of like 80B parameters they usually want u to have like 80-100 gigs of vram lol
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>"it's a capitalist death cult that runs on plagiarism and hubris and an assumption that one day all of this would turn into something meaningful"
>>734085
straw bury
i wonder if i could convince my marine buddy to come to the faetooth show with me. would be funny as fuck cuz we would be a twinkhon and a 6 foot blond dude in like a sea of theyfabs
>>734086
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i say this as someone who loves AI, i think most of the uses that have come out of this stuff are garbage
straw bury
>>734086
well im definitely not a passoid lmao
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>>734085
again heavily recommend this vid even if he gets a big aggressive hehe
krissu (26 (geriatric))
the only, like literally the *only* use of AI that i am excited about is automated information retrieval/summarization
>>734094
straw bury
what i hate about faetooth is that the heaviest part of the song is always at the very end and its always too short :(
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i mean rn u can already do a lot of that for cheap cheap w Gemini and such but
there's tools for it ATM but
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its just important to not let it become the new search engine
lain from computers
>>734090
i genuinely have a good time accessing information via natural language
especially since the big models can access the internet
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya exactly, like the fact that an LLM lets us basically query a database of yknow written documents using natural language is rly rly cool
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it can be useful for explaining smth to find info when needed
krissu (26 (geriatric))
if u ask me that's their most revolutionary feature. in their current state, these AI models lack creativity so trying to use them for creative tasks is stupid IMO. we should be using them to augment our information retrieval flows
>>734103>>734101
straw bury
im boutta brush my teeth
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ou
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me 2 in a couple
lain from computers
>>734097
it's entirely egregious that the image / video / music gen models take up any amount of resources
they are strictly a blackhole in every possible way
>>734105>>734102
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>>734101
its so wasteful and just guh
@gronk
>>734097
real
idk why people want to automate creativity instead of the boring shit
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horrid
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734101
LITERALLY, like WHAT is the use of image/video generation models except to spread disinformation, commit fraud and make porn of ppl without their consent
>>734106
lain from computers
>>734105
fraud thats it
lain from computers
its for fraud and <whatever other retarded capitalist project>
krissu (26 (geriatric))
god sometimes i wonder why even get into tech when the relationship between tech and capital is so nauseating
>>734112
anon
50 rebels
anon
50 rebels, 72 soldiers
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heya weba
lain from computers
>>734108
we love the computer........................... such is life when all the infrastructure is owned and maintained by evil pieces of shit
>>734114
anon
My island is just soldiers and rebels and like a few tourists and a single oil refinery
anon
And then hundreds of shacks
>>734117
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i have a friend whos a UK sw dev tranny, well she was but she got her surgeries and stuff and then she quit to become a firefighter cuz she hated working in tech
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respectable
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i doubt id ever have the principles to do that lol
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i could explain the steps I took but I uh
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left the like
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corporate/business tech path bc I became so disillusioned and I'm too stubborn
lain from computers
im genuinely too interested in tech to want to leave
the evil parts happen with or without me
thats a shitty excuse but i dont really care
>>734125
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i mainly pursue it through writing and researching and documenting, learning all I can, but not being a cog in the specific parts of the machine to the best of my ability beyond doing things that help people as a whole
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734123
nah i feel that lol computers are basically the only thing i have going for me like hell i'm gonna give those up, just wish there weren't so many skinwalkers and posers in tech nowadays
krissu (26 (geriatric))
fucking creeps who think studying CS is their ticket to a six figure salary and dont gaf abt anything else
lain from computers
should kill every tech person with dollar signs in their eyes and a disdain for FOSS
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real
lain from computers
the entire industry runs on collectivist infrastructure
lain from computers
imagine if linux didnt exist
>>734136
straw bury
me and saeki platonically
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hehe,,,
@gronk
>>734133
surely that'd also mean no windows and no mac and no nothin else since they all originated from the same root
straw bury
grok can u jork it a little?
lain from computers
>>734138
bluesky user detected
@gronk
it's true i won't deny it
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hehe
lain from computers
thats actually gork
straw bury
what drove me to have explicit relationships with a serb
>>734146
lain from computers
i like spiders more than most other bugge...
anything that flies is my mortal enemy..
>>734150
straw bury
>>734146
no this is the guy i went out with to smoke cigarettes and converse with the homeless a couple days ago
>>734149
@gronk
>>734147
#this is so fucking real
flies are satan spawn and spiders and little crawlies are lovely little angels
anon
Spiders are innocent, leave them alone D:
>>734152
lain from computers
i was staying in california once and the place i was at, the downstairs room
it had roaches
they flew past my ear and landed on my computer monitor once
left didnt come back
>>734158
@gronk
>>734153
truly horrible i did not realise roaches flew this is terrible news
lain from computers
why fight it
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i had pizza yesterday >< cant treat myself every day
>>734165
anon
>>734159
I support the NATO bombing of Serbia, and by that I mean another bombing right now
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>>734166
oh this guy
I might dm u In a while to talk n hear about mb .w.
>>734173
@gronk
>>734166
i'm sorry for ur life decisions but the important thing is that you have grown as a person
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734160
omg lol i love this
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ough youtube is so boring nowadays
i dont wanna watch bodycam footage!!!
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i like
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hhh'
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I've blocked all cop shit from my feed but I've been getting like nothing I watch or care about and videos that I already watched in my feed for 2 or 3 weeks
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya ive started to do that too, shoulda thought of it sooner
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like I'll find a single vid I feel oke watching every hour
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i have to click new to you and its even more junk but its not the same stuff I already saw -v-
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya exactly, sometimes i get recommended a fun coding vid but even those are rare
>>734183
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i was making a playlist that was collaborative for worms to add their fav long form/essay stuff earlier
::gle
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I'll link smh gud
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you know Jason Scott for the internet archive n stuffs?
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i have lol
krissu (26 (geriatric))
that stuff is crazy, diving into the guts of windows.. i could never
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lemme link--
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and think I saw too
krissu (26 (geriatric))
my creepy twin bro who hates me once wrote a windows screensaver and had to learn abt all that shit
>>734190
@gronk
consulting the forbidden tomes for gui creation spells
@gronk
>>734188
makin screensavers sounds like fun except for the fact nobody uses em anymore...
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya hes big into CRTs so he still uses them lol
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loading one sec
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hab a crt for chatrooms n libpol at my desk setup
krissu (26 (geriatric))
thats cool c: my bro has legit like half a dozen of them crowding his apartment, three on his desk alone
@gronk
we're lighting up a cathode ray tube!! hi electrons
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I recommend this vid/pod EP, its by the guy who's responsible for the internet archive being able to emulate software and much much more
krissu (26 (geriatric))
once played elden ring on his crt it was kinda cool, glowing colors look rly cool on crt's
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made me feel a lot n his like tiny following pod has a lot of stories that are really helpful
dev, tech, archivism, and otherwise
@gronk
>>734201
you're getting the evil youtube pulls
bottom of the barrel type shit
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I'm gonna queue it yk what
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its emotional and a lil but its
krissu (26 (geriatric))
>>734206
omg love this one
krissu (26 (geriatric))
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::gle
krissu (26 (geriatric))
aww
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has some good lessons and things
krissu (26 (geriatric))
man yknow what i miss abt LA tho, spicy food
>>734217
krissu (26 (geriatric))
can't get much good spicy food in northern finland lol
krissu (26 (geriatric))
fish tacos used to be my favvvv
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I'm stuck in Midwest and wanna at least move to like
@gronk
>>734214
breaking news gangstalking simulation
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anywhere I can room w peeps
>>734222
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sigh
krissu (26 (geriatric))
::eepy yaoi
krissu (26 (geriatric))
aw
krissu (26 (geriatric))
sometimes i h8 being bisexual
lain from computers
do you sometimes feel good about it
krissu (26 (geriatric))
hm not rly, im either not thinking abt it or im thinking why cant i be gay or straight
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I'm demi but mostly gay
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well I'm very gay but my attraction will have me connect w a guy or such sometimes and be alr w
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i like men and dominant women ><
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awe
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im generally a switch n just depends
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just wan someone to hug n be cozy w nowadays
::sad gle
krissu (26 (geriatric))
same Dx i get so lonely
krissu (26 (geriatric))
never had a proper relationship
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i dated another tranny for like a month as a baby trans and that was it
>>734251
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I've mostly dated trans peeps
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also had this experience a couple times
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oh things playing
@gronk
>>734242
better than nothing at least, hard 2 get relationship experience these days
>>734254
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oh yeah this pod
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so he's one of the core people of the internet archive but has been in debt for most of his life
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and not had stable finances, and this was to help him work out of that
@gronk
>>734254
the first one always sucks!!!!!!! good to get it outta the way !!
krissu (26 (geriatric))
real, glad i spent the first time on someone who sucks
lain from computers
okay im just being obtuse i am kidding i am wrong
>>734263
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nah
krissu (26 (geriatric))
dont tell me that lmao
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i disagree
krissu (26 (geriatric))
all my ex ever did was like, take my money, refuse to use enough lube and
>>734266
krissu (26 (geriatric))
eugh
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a few of my later relationships were much better n more comfortable
lain from computers
>>734262
EAT HOT CHIP
krissu (26 (geriatric))
lol
krissu (26 (geriatric))
other shit that i am too ashamed to say
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this depression experience is so relatable to me
::gle sad
krissu (26 (geriatric))
mm ya this reminds me a lot of how i felt when i dropped outta grad school
krissu (26 (geriatric))
who life was on rails up to that point and then all of a sudden its like wtf do i do now ive fallen off the path
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I hope I can get bacc into school n such if I ever get out of the US where its affordable, or I get some path to, as I had to leave college due to money n disability
krissu (26 (geriatric))
:< im sorry fren
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isokej patpat
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hope chu worked out of that place u had thoughs, too
krissu (26 (geriatric))
honestly, truly u never know what the future holds... a year ago i was driving for uber eats and thinking abt jumping off a bridge lol and now i at least have a job and a better place to stay
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1
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wanna play part of this
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oh yeah he also ran an ISP in the 90s (a big part of his debt) that was in like an artists loft and he gave all the artists free internet in exchange for not paying rent
@gronk
not doing anything is kinda nice sometimes
animals spend like 50% of their time just doing nothing
krissu (26 (geriatric))
tru
krissu (26 (geriatric))
humans work too hard
krissu (26 (geriatric))
gotta drive up that shareholder value!
@gronk
line must go up!!!!!
@gronk
i geuss it becomes problematic when you forego obligations and self care stuff
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya
krissu (26 (geriatric))
been there lolo
krissu (26 (geriatric))
lmao hell naw, i was doing this abt three years ago and nobody noticed when i stopped going to class
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yeh
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I'm kinda in this place now but working through it
::sad
>>734299
krissu (26 (geriatric))
sorry fren :< its hard i know
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isalr
will hopefully change in time, is mostly cus of being stuck where I can't get anywhere where I live atm
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i feel that
krissu (26 (geriatric))
sometimes all it takes is to get outta the place ur in
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yeh, it did in the past, just trying to have stable income a bit so I can find place to room n then help pay rent or stuffs
@gronk
stability is the best place 2 start and aim for....... it is good to have
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yeh
krissu (26 (geriatric))
that sounds like a good plan #hug
krissu (26 (geriatric))
aw
krissu (26 (geriatric))
wtf
krissu (26 (geriatric))
o i get it
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hehe
straw bury
sleeb time
straw bury
cuddling saeki in bed :3
>>734315
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< 3
krissu (26 (geriatric))
lol i once had to take a class abt the history of rock and roll
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heh
krissu (26 (geriatric))
it ended up being a doozy, i had to write a few pages a week on rock and roll documentaries and then in the last week of classes when i was dealing with finals for all my other classes the guy wanted like a 4000 word essay going over 20 of the documentaries we watched in class as well as going into special detail about brian wilson and the beach boys bc the prof was obsessed w the beach boys
>>734327
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awwe
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yeh
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ehe
@gronk
very nice jazz teacher
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya this guy sounds badass
krissu (26 (geriatric))
WOULDNT IT BE NICE IF WE WERE YOUNGER THEN WE WOULDNT HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG
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lole
krissu (26 (geriatric))
.play god only knows
krissu (26 (geriatric))
this is my fav beach boys song
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.seek 1:00
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PAC man suit
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autocorrect
@gronk
hell from the future
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i wish i used the internet before 2016
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aw
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i was so wilfully sheltered, i just spent all my off time in minecraft between the ages of like 11 to 18 lol
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i have some stories from that time
lain from computers
dev uploaded this?
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i started using a
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ye!
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dev likes his stuff a lot I think
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has uploaded a few of his talks and I believe they have pics together and stuff
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Jason was involved in early defcon and made the defcon documentary
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and BBS the documentary
krissu (26 (geriatric))
woa cool
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i wish i was a cool hackermans
lain from computers
i wish dev was my dad.....
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hhe
krissu (26 (geriatric))
i wish kurt kobain was my dad
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hehe and aw
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devs kid is trans fem I believe
krissu (26 (geriatric))
aww
krissu (26 (geriatric))
why is it that boomer coders either turn out funny or they turn out like jeff bezos
krissu (26 (geriatric))
my dad is a boomer coder and in addition to being a pos he's the biggest simp for capitalism i have ever met
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hehe
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yeah
lain from computers
ohh thats why they had the wherewithal to get you apple IIs
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he also has a lot of like
krissu (26 (geriatric))
ya lol
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he would go to an apple Ii specific convention every year
krissu (26 (geriatric))
woa cool

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