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fentmom
>>750069
i see that shiit sounds gayer than pulling cock if U ask me !
0.2401% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i'm gonna get DENNY'S
>>750125
0.2402% laptopbooger!boymodewng
what should i get
>>750127
0.2403% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i don't move into my apartment until tomorrow otherwise I Would (tm) made stuff
fentmom
cant wait to have my own space to cook in
fentmom
going to eat french toast every breakfast and no one will stop me
anon
Oh Damn I need to make biscuits and gravy tomorrow
0.2404% laptopbooger!boymodewng
the nice part of my job though is that we're not allowed to have phones er while working. But we are allowed to read and stuff, so on midnights, I think I might actually be able to get into reading which will be kinda nice
fentmom
wish i had my own place in a small american town and i can drive to The Big City in 1-2 hours
>>750135
0.2405% laptopbooger!boymodewng
just well like 6 straight hours of peace and quiet basically, most nights, although sometimes there's err one or two customers
anon
Baton Rouge is a shithole lmao
anon
Our major landmark is literally a megachurch and their crosses they set up by the highway
0.2408% laptopbooger!boymodewng
oh yeah i've been debating getting back into church stuff
anon
I think we have the third most megachurches per capita behind Houston and some other shithole
0.2409% laptopbooger!boymodewng
not megachurches tho
0.2410% laptopbooger!boymodewng
small catholic churches can be pretty nice depending on the community
anon
We have a ton of Catholic churches here because Louisiana is full of them
0.2411% laptopbooger!boymodewng
it depends on the community
0.2412% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but it's nice sometimes
fentmom
twinkman your lifestyle kind of reminds me of this tim heidecker movie but its a different setting
anon
It's heavily dependent on which catholic church you go to, some will screech about faggots and abortion, other ones are very chill
>>750250>>750152
0.2413% laptopbooger!boymodewng
and i think it's a good way to meet people
fentmom
The Comedy
fentmom
you have the southern aristocrat scion thing going on instead tho
>>750157
0.2414% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750148
yes, but the protestants and the anglicans are fucking monsters and i hate them generally
>>750153
anon
>>750152
The issue with protestant churches is that like... there is no central authority and pastors just get to do whatever the fuck and say whatever the fuck, Anglicans in Louisiana are generally fine though
>>750155
0.2415% laptopbooger!boymodewng
(joking kind of)
0.2416% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750153
the issue with protestant churches is they took a religion that was already sexist and was like "well maybe we should be a bit more sexist" and erased Mary
>>750159
0.2417% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but that's my Controversial Religion Opinions
0.2418% laptopbooger!boymodewng
and i grew up catholic lol so i am in fact biased
anon
>>750155
I'll say this, I can understand the criticism that prots have about Catholics praying to saints and mary and such
0.2419% laptopbooger!boymodewng
really?
>>750165
0.2420% laptopbooger!boymodewng
that's crazy to me
anon
Hold on lemme grab my pizza
0.2421% laptopbooger!boymodewng
not saying it's bad i'm not actually that religious, i just find sometimes, it's easier to meet, not insane people by going to church when moving to a new community
0.2422% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but it's definitely dependent on your specific community
anon
>>750160
Like think about it sort of logically, the center of christian doctrine is that you have an all powerful and all knowing god, but like... why would you have to pray to some dude that was tangentially related to that god in order to get your specific prayer about veterans to him? And then you have full blown voodoo syncretism like burying statues of saints in your yard upside down to help sell property
0.2423% laptopbooger!boymodewng
yeah and this all-powerful god chose to act through saints and those people should also be worshipped, and Mary literally birthed and aspect of God so in a sense she is the Mother of everyone and should be worshipped as well and erasing her is purely sexist
>>750167
anon
>>750166
That's where I think prots can be insane, because they can also overcorrect *so* hard on this that they outright insult and degrade Mary. But I do understand when they argue that certain Catholic approaches to the saints are borderline worship, which is something that officially the Catholic church argues shouldn't be the case as well
anon
wassup fampais
0.2424% laptopbooger!boymodewng
ok and the protestants only exist because some dipshit english king wanted to divorce
>>750171
0.2425% laptopbooger!boymodewng
so i don't take them seriously
>>750173
anon
>>750170
I prefer the Catholic church on the basis of organization and effectiveness, along with being able to actually adapt to shifting social currents. But I can see the sort of doctrinal arguments against them, I am not a Jesuit so I don't know how to respond to those arguments and quite honestly I don't care that deeply about the doctrine arguments in the first place
0.2426% laptopbooger!boymodewng
well listen they definitely have some probleems in their organization lmao
anon
ok i c u r doing religious wars
0.2427% laptopbooger!boymodewng
a bit of errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr child abuse and not really a bit like possible as high as like 20% or something....
>>750177
anon
>>750176
I want you to think to yourself how many rolls royce reverends are fucking 14 year old girls, because I came from New Orleans and I can absolutely tell you that the sexual abuse that goes on in Protestant churches is insane but unlike Catholic churches doesn't get the same degree of coverage because it isn't tied to a massive org
>>750179
0.2428% laptopbooger!boymodewng
yeah i'm not saying that it doesn't happen outside of the catholic church but the caltholic church defintely covered it up
>>750180
anon
>>750177
likewise with orthodox jewish communities. there are lots of cases of sexual violence where the rabbis tell those involved that they shouldn't go to the police because it is better to resolve things internally. for some reason religious radicalism and sexual abuse tend to go together.
>>750182
anon
>>750178
And I get that complaint, like 100%, I just often find it to be a "pot calling the kettle black" situation, except even worse because I would legitimately stake my life on the sexual abuse thing being substantially worse in prot communities than in catholic communities, to the extent at which it is entirely normalized in alot of the protestant communities I interacted with
0.2429% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but anyways all i was saying was that i might go to church to see if i can like meet people in the community, or at least hear about some events where i can meet people
>>750185
anon
>>750179
Religiosity is linked to an affection for authority, so it makes sense that abuse of authority is highly common along with the preservation of authority figures
anon
sorry idk what's going on with the conversation i just wanted to share fun images
>>750187>>750188
anon
>>750181
Yeah you should, it'll likely be fine
0.2430% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750184
that's ok nonny
anon
>>750184
it is a good image though i only saw the comic until now i had no idea it was like a thing
anon
this place is rlly interesting
>>750200
anon
It's pretty good yeah
anon
.play all along the watchtower
>>750193
anon
oh lol
anon
Similar
anon
>>750196
i don't entirely relate but i see the appeal of that!! similar kinda thing yh. there's the whole thing of 'cannibalism as the ultimate expression of love' as an art thing
>>750209>>750202
anon
.play black sabbath paranoid
anon
wait btw does this place use all the /tttt/ brainworms lingo
anon
My period key doesn't work, but otherwise I would rune that post
anon
it used to but it has been cleansed
>>750208
anon
not literally but people have been hash tag debrainwormed
anon
>>750208
Similar but don't be obnoxious
anon
>>750208
it's adjacent but not evil lol
anon
oh that's a relief lmao
anon
i think it's really interesting with /tttt/-adjacent spaces, how the culture starts to change as you get further from /tttt/ itself (like even r/4tran is a lil better but still shit, and something like r/fitttts is a lot less brainwormed)
>>750218
anon
as far as i know this is literally literally the only moderated chan (literally)
anon
It's the only alt chan I know that has a fairly fast post per hour while still being moderated
>>750217
anon
>>750214
it really is. i think /lgbt/ is honestly bad for most of the people who regularly post there. the haters because harassing others corrodes the soul, and the hated because it's just self-harm. i say this as someone who used to post there for a very long time. and honestly, there are nice things about it as well. i learned a lot from many conversations that i had there with all of sorts of people, discussing things i wouldn't be able to bring up in polite society haha. even so, despite of what good it did, i absolutely recognize my mental health got way better after i left.
>>750219>>750220
anon
>>750218
wow that's really interesting. also well done for leaving that must've been difficult. would you say the appeal of those kinds of spaces comes from like the ability to say things you couldn't usually say in other trans spaces? like expressing anger? i've heard that. also ppl go there to escape 'hugboxing' which some people think exists in main trans spaces, others don't. i think i see the appeal in it for that as like an escape from 'toxic positivity' but then it's just so in the opposite direction of just 'toxic negativity' that it's then not useful ig. does that make sense? maybe i'm speaking nonsense lol
>>750224>>750222
anon
>>750218
I never posted on /lbgt/ lol, I found this place from lainchan
>>750223
anon
God this fucking heat wave
anon
>>750219
it does make sense. many people say that's the reason why they use it. i think it's accurate, but also that some of the people post there just happen not to be great either. you can be both a victim and a victimizer sometimes. as for the appeal, for me, it was the ability to debate anything. unfortunately lots of people who had little interest in discussing things honestly made things way harder.
>>750228
anon
>>750220
i never posted there but i got into /tttt/-adjacent spaces via reddit sadly. first from r/transgendercirclejerk, and then the brainworms started piling up. i only visited the board like twice and both times i was like "this isn't funny like some of the greentexts this is just bleak" and so i didn't really go back
>>750226
anon
>>750219
I think the sort of "anti-hugboxing" thing is pretty much the core of it
>>750225
anon
>>750224
yeah on the one hand i do get not wanting to feel patronised or lied to with stuff like 'hugboxing' but like /tttt/ is like the inverse problem where everyone's just so negative even when it defies reality. just making people feel like shit. idk how to solve 'hugboxing' as a problem but it's defo a lesser evil to brainworms. i hate that i have all these things in my head
>>750234
anon
>>750223
i think it legit got worse over time, or else my immunity has waned
anon
so, funny story, i'm pretty sure i got hugboxed with regard to my appearance on /lgbt/ lol. ime it isn't really the lack of hugboxing as it is some very mean people being cruel to everyone and some very nice people still being overly nice to everyone. imo the freedom came more from being able to discuss anything without getting banned.
>>750232
anon
>>750222
hm that's interesting. maybe with the anonymity + unmoderated aspects that makes saying mean and anti-social shit a lot easier? because there's no consequences. but i guess that's also part of the appeal
anon
it's also a matter of people being banned from every other place
anon
they drain into this nether well
anon
it is a natural process
anon
.play the return of sathington willoughby
anon
>>750225
with regard to brainworms, i find that it helps just to spend time in a more sane environment. these are learned reactions you're dealing with, and with time, they will fade, like all other "skills". it's all use-it-or-lose-it in memory land.
>>750235
anon
>>750234
huh that's nice. hopefully they'll go over time, but even though i know the concepts are all bullshit it's just stuck in my head. and i apply it to myself but not any other trans people. though i guess that's standard, internalised transphobia
>>750237
anon
>>750232
theories of transness, for instance. and no this isn't code for cringe blanchard shit, though there was lots of that too there. i just found it interesting looking into the biological and social aspects and the philosophy of it idk.
>>750240
anon
>>750235
ahh yes. "everyone but me is valid syndrome". many such cases.
>>750239
anon
can relate
anon
>>750237
b-but... everyone but me is valid!!! this is literally true...... for me and only me..
anon
>>750236
ohhh that's interesting yh
anon
i think i'd be scared to ever use a space like that bcs i'm not white lol and 4chan ain't exactly great for that
anon
it's super racist yeah :/
anon
i kind of regret stumbling upon it as a 15 year old. just kind of stuck there over time. but looking back, it was never a very nice place.
anon
>>750244
seems bad play the uno reverse card
anon
i know i should care about that a lot less than i do
anon
.play pink floyd wish you were here
anon
there are all sorts of people in this world. i hope you don't let that get to you. i'm sure most other transgender folks wouldn't say that.
anon
>>750244
booooo that's bullshit. sorry they were shitty to you like that
>>750251
Luca
>>750148
I went to this one church I was invited to by someone, and I thought, what the hell, it's been years since I've been to a catholic mass. They started preaching about abortion and I said, ok, not coming back. I knew exactly where that was going.
>>750255
anon
there's always pick-me's ig who just wanna be the only valid ones >>750249
Luca
I'm really not sure what I expected
anon
religion is cool except for all of the bigotry lol
anon
shame it's everywhere
anon
>>750250
Oh yeah that's like the huge issue with Catholic churches, some of them are very low key about it, others talk about it literally constantly
>>750265
anon
imo the issue is more with organised religion, bcs that gives institutional power to people like priests who can then use that to abuse people
anon
and also gives the church institutional power which they can then impose on the state to push their agenda
anon
speaking as someone with schizophrenia, the problem with organized religion is they dont know epistemology well enough.
>>750259
anon
>>750259
it is possible to keep the insane thoughts cordoned off by remembering empirical principles
>>750262
anon
hm okay
anon
>>750260
that's interesting. does it work for you? it's not really the same but i've suffered from night terrors years ago and a few of them came with hallucinations. i don't think i was really thinking rationally when those happened, but maybe it's different when it comes to schizophrenia.
>>750263
anon
>>750262
terror makes everything worse. your mind runs away at a billion miles an hour. to counter that you need to practice deliberately calming and centering and grounding yourself
anon
i wonder if it really is a matter of discipline or if there is something different about the half-asleep state
Luca
>>750255
My mother loves to remind me I'm baptized catholic. Which is weird considering she doesn't hate me or gay people in general. I'm not sure why she hasn't denounced the church... but we coexist and that's enough for me.
>>750266
0.2431% laptopbooger!boymodewng
mamdani just walked back defund the police, online leftists are in shambles
>>750268
anon
>>750267
Yeah that's probably wise for an NYC mayoral candidate to do
0.2432% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i think it was because the police officer got killed in that mass shooting so the repuiblicucks brought it up as a gotcha against him
anon
Beyond looking for endorsements and hopefully crowding out Cuomo (which will require moderating out some of his positions), it just doesn't seem tenable to run a full-blown anti-cop platform in NYC
0.2433% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i hope cuomo gets ejected from the party what a piece of shit
0.2434% laptopbooger!boymodewng
running an independent campagign should immediately get you banned from running under the party label again, actual ghoul behavior
0.2435% laptopbooger!boymodewng
mamdani won fair and square
anon
Yup, it's gay as fuck, Cuomo thinks that he can somehow hold onto his union support and court the right wing in NYC (somehow getting them out of Eric Adams's camp ???) to win a general election but it's like bro half of your Dem base is going to not vote for you because you did that, fucking give in
0.2436% laptopbooger!boymodewng
controversial take mamdani isn't even that radical lmao
0.2437% laptopbooger!boymodewng
like i don't agree with all of his ideas, but he's literally not some rabid communist who is going to murder all wall street bankers
anon
Eh, I have some issues with Mamdani's platform, I also think he doesn't reflect a viable national level strategy, but I also hate the fact that all the shitflinging is Cuomo v Mamdani when like fuck Eric Adams with a ten foot pole
>>750278
0.2438% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750277
yeah but i don't think he needs to. I think if he tries some of his policies on the municipal level we can gather valuable data
anon
Let me put it this way, I understand why certain Dems at a national level are sitting on their hands to endorse him, and I think that Mamdani is going to need to moderate some of his positions if he wants the full swing national level support instead of just the local NYC scene
0.2439% laptopbooger!boymodewng
like the city owned grocery stores seems stupid as fuck, but at a municpal level i don't see why it's not worth trying even if it fails,
anon
Uh the big fear is that alot of the money is supposedly going to be pulled from a fund put together to pay private grocery stores off that accept SNAP and EBT
anon
Essentially redirecting money from SNAP into a public owned grocery store which... er... I don't think is wise
0.2440% laptopbooger!boymodewng
that's fine if you have the public owned grocery store no?
>>750286
0.2441% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i don't think it will work, but i also don't necessarily see the issue in trying it. I think it could be a lot like UBI, where people thought it would be a terrbile idea, but in all the pilot programs that have been tried so far, it has shown positive results in productivity and economic activity
0.2442% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i think there's not enough data to really say how effective it could be
anon
>>750283
To me, it seems like something that could kneecap accessibility for SNAP recipients in exchange for very miniscule reductions in price for a class of people that don't use SNAP
0.2443% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i don't think stores will just pull snap tbh i think they're saying that because they would be forced to compete with the public grocery store and they're scared of having real competition
>>750289
Luca
>>750266
how about we drop the self-hating part and the catholic part
>>750296
anon
>>750287
I mean for one grocery store competition is very uh... tight, it's not exactly easy so I understand the paranoia around a public enterprise getting thrown into the mix that intends on not turning over any profit. But I also do just think that if private grocers do end up having to cut back on certain SNAP or EBT programs, it'll likely do more harm than good, I don't particularly know the logistics
0.2444% laptopbooger!boymodewng
it's kind of not tight. A lot of grocery stores AFAIK almost directly collude against each other.
0.2445% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but anyways what do you have to refute this
0.2446% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>With New York City already spending millions of dollars to subsidize private grocery store operators (which are not even required to take SNAP/WIC!), we should redirect public money to a real “public option.”
>not even required to take SNAP/WICI
is it factual that they don't even HAVE to take snap in order to receive the money
>>750295
0.2447% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i'm not sure and there's no source on his website
0.2448% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but if his claim is true, and they're just taking money without no legal requirement to take snap then that's retarded
anon
>>750292
All I know is that the purpose of the fund he aims to redirect out of is specifically to give private grocers money to reward them for taking SNAP, I don't know the exact details of the fund
anon
>>750288
Nah I have just known alot of self hating gay catholics and it is like... insane
>>750315
0.2449% laptopbooger!boymodewng
yeah idk
0.2450% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but my point more is, on a municipal level, I literally don't care either way
0.2451% laptopbooger!boymodewng
if it's a dogshit program and horrible, welp then i guess new york can just reverse it and it's effects are insulated. If its a great program and is amazing, then we can copy that on the national level
0.2452% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>Zohran has a plan to bring down the cost-of-living through city-owned grocery stores, universal childcare, and other bold proposals, and he knows exactly how to pay for it, too. Zohran’s revenue plan will raise the corporate tax rate to match New Jersey’s 11.5%, bringing in $5 billion. And he will tax the wealthiest 1% of New Yorkers—those earning above $1 million annually—a flat 2% tax (right now city income tax rates are essentially the same whether you make $50,000 or $50 million). Zohran will also implement common-sense procurement reform, end senseless no-bid contracts, hire more tax auditors, and crack down on fine collection from corrupt landlords to raise an additional $1 billion.
oh this is why there's so much shilling against him it makes so much more sense now
>>750301
anon
>>750300
The New Yorkers that backed him were the wealthy Dems, it was the Unions that went Cuomo
anon
That is to say, I think that in general the whole "tax the rich" stuff isn't really as unpopular among the rich as people think, not even in the whole "they will just avoid it haha REPUBLICANS ARE RIGHT" but in the like... alot of rich people are fine paying extra for good roads and functioning societies
>>750304
0.2453% laptopbooger!boymodewng
yeah i was more talking about the media being so psychotically against him
0.2454% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750302
yeah i mean, i was more talking about, like the weatlthy dems obviously are okay with him. More that, broadly, I think the large backlash against him was funded by wealthy people who were furious about this
0.2455% laptopbooger!boymodewng
and i think everything else is just essentially bullshit basically
>>750311
0.2456% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>In the world’s richest city, making the minimum wage shouldn’t mean living in poverty. But that’s exactly what it means for working people today, even with the hard-won increase in the state minimum wage. When incomes don’t match the true cost of living, government services have to make up the difference – effectively subsidizing low wage employers.

>As Mayor, Zohran will champion a new local law bringing the NYC wage floor up to $30/hour by 2030. After that, the minimum wage will automatically increase based on the cost of living and productivity increases. When working people have more money in their pocket, the whole economy thrives.
although this is fucking unhinged
>>750308
0.2457% laptopbooger!boymodewng
will probably get blocked but jaysus if this happened NYC would be destroyed
anon
>>750306
Eh, the issue I have with federal minimum wage stuff is that I live in the shithole south where 25 an hour is like.... living comfortably, but in NYC I get it, it's an insanely expensive place to live
>>750310
0.2458% laptopbooger!boymodewng
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this part especially is like geniunley insane
0.2459% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750308
if they doubled the minimum wage in 5 years it would destroy the economy
anon
>>750305
I think I have the usual moderate Dem gripes with him, that is to say that his solutions are a bit to pie in the sky and also kind of miss the point on alot of stuff. Like the bus ticket dealio, the public grocery stores, etc.
0.2460% laptopbooger!boymodewng
and the productivity increases are ... er ... like i think setting a minumum wage based on that is concerning
0.2461% laptopbooger!boymodewng
well he's doing the rent freeze which like rent freezes are stupid, don't work. But at least he said he was going to build more housing (which will actually solve the rent problem) so i'm not that upset about it
anon
I think that overall, he's about what you'd expect from a progressive politician. As long as he isn't absolutely insanely corrupt and generally adheres to reality instead of trying to force things that don't work, I think he'll be fine. And he's shown a willingness to moderate himself, which means I have no issue if the party broadly plays nice with him too.
0.2462% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750315
WHY DO YOU HATE YOURSELF I WILL MURDER YOU
>>750317
Luca
>>750316
Uhhh, well, do you want me to list the reasons? I no longer hate the fact I'm gay, but...
>>750319
0.2463% laptopbooger!boymodewng
TWINK YOU HAVE TO KILL LUCA
>>750319
0.2464% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>However, Canadian goods that meet the terms of the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement will not be subject to the tariff, which means the vast bulk of Canada's exports can still cross the border tariff-free.
lmao TACO
anon
To think that the EU cucked out so goddamn hard lmao
0.2465% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i wonder if that deal will really hold up
0.2466% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i don't see france actaully going with it
anon
The issue is that if the deal sinks, I have a feeling the EU as a whole is going to get shredded because the Germans and the Irish and a handful of others *really* *really* want to cuck the fuck out
0.2467% laptopbooger!boymodewng
France could destroy germany ez
anon
As I understand, nobody in the EU is particularly popular right now. I hope that deal gets sunk because this like cannot be normalized, it's going to backfire insanely fucking hard if it works now
0.2468% laptopbooger!boymodewng
you take that back you raggedy bitch Macron is my her o
>>750328
0.2469% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750328
I will fucking send you to South America you take that back
anon
The Centrist coalition got completely fucked in a snap election iirc and now it's Le Pen's "cuck out to Trump" right wing party and the hardcore lefties that frankly I don't know much about
0.2470% laptopbooger!boymodewng
leftists in the EU are less stupid than leftists in america so they're probably not that bad
>>750333>>750342
0.2471% laptopbooger!boymodewng
>>750331
#change less stupid to actually intelligent
0.2472% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i actually don't want to insult them, the leftists in the EU are very effective at political manuevering and securing wins for their people the leftists in america are actually braindead incompetent morons
anon
Cus the USA is the imperial core
0.2473% laptopbooger!boymodewng
no it's because americans on a whole are lazy and stupid
anon
Not very charitable view!
anon
Every country has stupid folk
anon
But you guys still have a funded education system that most children go through and people can read and write and have modern technology and services
0.2474% laptopbooger!boymodewng
that's true
0.2475% laptopbooger!boymodewng
it's not education that's the problem imo. It's the inability to recognize political realities and the ineffectiveness of organization
>>750343
anon
>>750341
And what is the cause for the American in-effectivity regarding this
0.2476% laptopbooger!boymodewng
they are lazy and entitled
>>750346
0.2477% laptopbooger!boymodewng
Americans on a whole are so spolied and benefit so much from their system that no one actually tries to change anything
>>750347>>750349
anon
>>750344
Americans are incredibly entitled, that is the one thing I will grant you as true. Our sense of entitlement has led to alot of the issues we have right now
anon
>>750345
Is this not at odds with the "vast majority of americans one paycheck away from being totally fucked over and foodstamps galore" and such
>>750350
0.2478% laptopbooger!boymodewng
at least that's my take, that's why the EU leftists are very good at manuvring, winning power and eneacting change
anon
>>750345
LMAO WHAT, it's the exact opposite, we are so spoiled by our system that we are insulated from the consequences of ripping apart that system, so everything slides slowly without anybody noticing because "I still have my four door pickup and suburban home"
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>>750347
I think that's just on a whole, not true
anon
Stats say 57% are paycheck to paycheck but self reported ja
>>750354
0.2480% laptopbooger!boymodewng
is that self-reported?
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oh my bad, sorry for being so combatitive you're just trying to engage in good faith. I apologize
anon
>>750351
Paycheck-to-paycheck has a very precise meaning that you will come to recognize is in large part due to extremely high consumer spending and spending on credit
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I can see ur point anon about education perhaps
anon
Yea i dont mean to be a dick or anything i just don't want to
0.2483% laptopbooger!boymodewng
No i was being a dick i apologize
anon
Gotcha no worries
anon
I just genuinely was curious as to how American's worked cus I'm from Europe myself and it's interesting to see how they differ on the other side of the pond
>>750360
anon
>>750359
In the US, things are generally okay but we bitch alot about it. There is fairly high inequality, but this is in large part because a certain generation holds in obscene and unprecedented amount of wealth.
>>750362
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tbf a huge part of the reason for the EU being able to push different ideologies so well, is due the parliamentary system instead of the republican one. The parliamentary system encourages coalitions where the republican one tends to lead to two parties
anon
The boomers of Europe were all fuckin war veterans trying to repair burnt out husks lol
anon
Yup, the EU boomers were not obscenely wealthy, American boomers literally came from an era of such absurd unprecedented wealth and have aged up over time, there are other causes for our inequality, but people severely underestimate this as a major factor in it.
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twink did i ever show you the video about the american education system in the 50s?
>>750366
anon
>>750365
No, I don't think so at elast
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it's from david hasslehoff and it' explores the transformation of the US education system from just after ww2 to how they changed it radically to make america into a super power of education, and how it was neglected.
>>750371
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basically it's more to your point that the boomers basically hit everyone with the "fuck you i got mine"
anon
They hit it big then hit everyone with the "companies only have a duty to their shareholders" when they all became shareholders instead of employees
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>>750368
#change hasslehoff to hoffman
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like i think it's really interesting although i can't speak to the factualness of it, I haven't fact checked anything yet, i just watched it and it seemed interesting
anon
I used to be like "it's a waste of time shitting on the boomers, we have the problems they created and we need to fix them, that's the end of it", but then Gen X decided to get Trump in and oh my fucking God I hate anyone over the age of 50
anon
Dude im not even 5 minutes in and only 2 hrs of school a day is already insane lol
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from a nerd pov i think the challenge that they had of having to retool systems to much larger groups of people was really interesting
>>750380
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like im not a simp for china but if i was allowed to be inside the governemnt i would really really want to know how they manage that many people
>>750385
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it's insane
anon
They learnt to not be retarded the hard way with the great leap forward
anon
>>750376
Oh yeah I am watching the video, I know alot about this because I went to a magnet school that was formed entirely in response to sputnik, so we learned alot about this stuff
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like managing that many birth cerificates or whatever the equivalent is and dealing with that is like so fucking interesting to me it must be so challenging
anon
Well they r a centrally planned economy and actually use computers unlike a certain other communist nation Planning things is their forte and they learnt human psychology and how to account 4 it by dealing with retarded peasants
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they're not realyl centrally planned
0.2496% laptopbooger!boymodewng
more large state owned enterprises with single party rules, but there is a large amoubnt of indepdent commerce in china, after the president in the 90s i forget what his name was yeah deng
anon
>>750377
I vacillate between hating on China and being like "Goddamn the US would be so much better off if it was a one party state and the Republicans and their media machine didn't exist lmao"
>>750389
anon
Deng
anon
The independent capitalists r on fairly tight leashes
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sure but they exist with some level of indepdence nonetheless. I doubt the party gives a fuck about joe blow running a store in a tier 2 city
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>>750385
i think this kind of thinking is bad but i get it
>>750391
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IF THE UNITED STATES EMPLOYED ME AS THE ONLY STATE OWNED ACTOR I WOULD CARRY (I HAVE 200 HOURS IN VICTORIA 3 I'M BASICALLY AN EXPERT)
anon
>>750389
Yeah the issue is like... what do you do when one party seemingly only exists to say that the underpinning institutions of the US should be demolished and now recently show zero regard for democracy or constitutionalism
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I thought about this recently, Sure china is a "one-party state" but that's kind of in name only
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they have elections for their representatives and there is a ton of different coalitions within the government who have different ideass for things. sure they have a "one party" but really that one party is like a bunch of different parties
anon
That's how it is in alot of ML states historically, this does not mean that it is as remotely healthy a democracy as a Western liberal regime
anon
Tbh
anon
China feels like the only major country on Earth rn that could be the 'good guys' if they rlly wanted to
anon
Every other country feels too incompetent and fundamentally evil
>>750398
anon
>>750397
The US just decided to go full retard repeatedly, and this is due in significant part because there is such an insane media ecosystem
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yeah i mean xi passed a law i think basically meaning he would be president for life? or a long time i forget which. But like that law had significant pushback from the party members IIRC
>>750401
anon
I can imagine a world where the US is generally a force for good globally, but we really, really need to fix our issues
anon
>>750399
A lot of ppl think there was a silent coup and they just keep Xi up for appearances so China doesn't look weak lol
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like i'm not saying it's a Free and Fair (TM) democracy. But I think there's a lot more agency on the part of the chinese people. Like it's not a pure dictatorship I would say like Russia is
anon
It's because unironically the whole idea of top-down no elections and no democracy states don't work anymore, you get overly compartmentalized regimes that fail to respond to realities on the ground, and this has been shown repeatedly since WW1, unironically some level of democracy is just blatantly superior to full blown autocratic regimes
>>750410
anon
China rlly seems like they're doing their best i can't help but respect them
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I watched a video on their economy though and that shit is barely holding on
>>750409>>750411
0.2505% laptopbooger!boymodewng
LMAO
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they download so much of their debt into state owned companies and provinces?States? whatever the divisions are in china. And the estimate for their debt is fucking nuts
anon
>>750406
Everyone's economy is barely holding on, we are at a breaking point across the planet
anon
>>750406
Ok ppl keep saying shit like that but they keep growing and building infrastructure and doing better than us and are increasingly dominating in every tech field and make like Everything
>>750412>>750413
anon
>>750411
Yes, government spending leads to economic growth, this is well-established, the issue is when you continuously spend ad infinitum
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>>750411
for now, but what is borrowed must be paid eventually
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there's a lot of issues in china right now economically. There's a large amount of youth unemployment. There's a lot empty cities, and there's a lot of municipal debt right now. It will be interesting to see how they address these issues for sure. I'm not sure what they're planning
>>750419
anon
>>750415
I don't think the Chinese will be able to catch a falling knife
anon
I think the CCP is tolerated because they have built a society that is incrementally improving the lives of its people
>>750422
anon
>>750414
Chinese Ghost Cities were a myth im ppretty sure like all those ghost cities r inhabited now
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it's not just ghost cities lol. There are a lot of portions of cities that were empty. And the municipalities have a ton of debt
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there are a lot of myths about china, to be sure though
anon
i'm actually in the communist party 4 my country and had the opportunity once to go visit china and do a speech. didn't have the guts though lol
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China seems very nice to visit!
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I would wanna go one day
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>>750422
I'm actually not memeing I ended up on a chinese subreddit basically and yeah it's the CPC not the CCP, apparently the west called it the CCP for reasons
anon
>>750422
Yeah in the same way it was the SSSR and not USSR technically, I really do not care
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I think there's a diffwerence between Chinese Communist Party and Commuinist party of China. I think it's probably better to say the latter. Saying Chinese Communist Party makes it sound inherent to Chinese people
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which i think is kinda racist once it was pointed out to me
anon
It's... it's the Chinese Communist Party, it's a Communist Party that is of China
0.2517% laptopbooger!boymodewng
It's the Communist party of China. You don't have to, I just think it's a distinction that is important IMO
anon
It's like... is it racist to say French Communist Party?
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vs Communist Party of France?
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I mean I kinda think it makes it sound inherent to the people
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rather than just being a political party
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Lik4e i'm not saying ur racist for using it, I'm just saying I saw that pointed out and It resonated with me
anon
I just don't really see a value in adjusting language in the West to adapt to that
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That's fair
anon
I dunno, I don't know much about Chinese history aside from their media and art
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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It's Complicated (TM)
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basiaclly
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and i'm white as fuck btw, but from what i understand if you don't speak mandarin it's hard to find good sources on it
anon
In general, I am more interested in like Cold War era history, I watched alot of like second and third generation Chinese films
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BORING
0.2528% laptopbooger!boymodewng
but fair that's kinda cool
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My favorite history is the 16-1900s (early)
anon
Well, I like to analyze history through the art that was popular at the time, and movies are generally more watchable and straightforward than trying to understand that like some dude walking next to a horse is meant to represent the chaotic leadership at this time
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even then not really the 16th more the 17th century and onwards
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it was pretty chaotic in china at that time period yes
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>>750451
say the answer then.
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anyways twink anon we should just invite china to take us over (non imperially of course ;))
anon
Absolutely not
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it wouldn't be imperial if they invaded us and took our land
>>750459
anon
I am a pesky supporter of the US and a good patriot
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of the ImPeRiAl CoRe?/?????? ?????
anon
>>750456
TRUE marxists are incapable of imperialism or something because they are the vanguard of the worker o algo
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hehe
0.2537% laptopbooger!boymodewng
i don't have as many issues with china as you do, but i did want to make clear that i am not a communist lol so that's why i made that joke
>>750462
anon
>>750461
I don't have nearly as many issues with China as you think, I just know that they exercise alot of influence online, more than people think, and I think that alot of lefties like to sweep for the Chinese
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to be fair i couldn't really see china doing an imperial land grab, at least at this point in time
>>750465
anon
Often unaware that the Chinese state is like flawed like any other state to be honest
anon
>>750463
They legit tried to do a landgrab against Vietnam after the Vietnam War
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Tawaiin is complicated and i wouldn't necessarily consider it imperial
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oh i didn't know about that one
anon
The Chinese wouldn't commit to a landgrab because their military would have trouble doing so
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Tawaiin is the only thing I could see them doing in the next 1-10 years
anon
If they try to do Taiwan, the US will have to intervene, then against Trump is a truly massive retard and is in large part responsible for the rare earth minerals issue we have with China right now
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This United States Government? I don't think so
anon
GOD why did we have to pull out of the TPP and give China de facto dominance over the most important raw materials of the 21st century why did the American people have to elect such a fucking RETARD
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Can you give me the steelman for why China shouldn't have Tawaiin back? This is my understanding, like it's essentially like if the southern states went to hawaii and declared themselves a different government and the US didn't have the resources or time to go and take back hawaii. It's still apart of the US.

Like I'm not dug in on this poistion right now, and you seem knowledgeable, is there something I'm missing?
>>750474
anon
>>750473
That would be a good argument if the Southern States had broken away 5 years ago and went to Hawaii, Taiwan has been separate from China for legit like 75 years at this point, I think even a bit longer, it's a culturally and politically distinct state, and unfortunately we have these pesky concepts of sovereignty for politically and culturally distinct people in this day and age
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Ok that's fair I guess
0.2545% laptopbooger!boymodewng
I'm too, 4x brained
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because if I was playing china in a 4x game I would be invading 1billion percent, mostly out of pettiness
anon
China would have serious trouble trying to take over Taiwan, their military hasn't really been in any major conflicts since the aforementioned Vietnam landgrab, where they were hilariously BTFO by an exhausted Vietnam
0.2547% laptopbooger!boymodewng
wait but why wouldn't they have backed vietnam in that war???
>>750480
anon
>>750479
Because Vietnam wanted to get rid of the Khmer Rouge
0.2548% laptopbooger!boymodewng
what's the Khmer Rouge?
>>750483
0.2549% laptopbooger!boymodewng
oh
0.2550% laptopbooger!boymodewng
in cambodia
0.2551% laptopbooger!boymodewng
I was always under the impression that the soviets and the Chinese government backed vietnam, more the soviets but, i'm not super educated on that time period in history
>>750486
anon
>>750485
Both backed Vietnam when we were fighting them, large part of why we never invaded the North (and why the "The US could have won Vietnam if it had been willing to" war pig arguments are wrong) is because the Chinese likely would have counterinvaded like they had done with the North Koreans a few years before, so the Chinese support was critical, but the Vietnamese really are not big fans of the Chinese
0.2552% laptopbooger!boymodewng
what about tactical nukes idiot
anon
Basically after the US fucked off, it was the USSR that favored Vietnam while the Chinese favored the Khmer Rouge
0.2553% laptopbooger!boymodewng
ok twink but what about tactical nukes they could have won if they did that
anon
MacArthur was a moron
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maybe ur just a pussy
anon
The US had already more or less flattened the Korean Peninsula with conventional munitions, throwing in unconventional munitions wouldn't have done as much as people think, it would have just given MacArthur a big erection
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ok so? you don't think a few blam blam tactical nukes would have worked
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what if they just hit moscow with it
anon
Then the USSR would have used their massive conventional force to conquer Europe, meanwhile the US army had been hollowed out, we really only rebuilt our bulked out conventional force after the experiences in Korea
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but they didn't have nukes at that point no?
>>750498
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ok fine we nuke like 20 of their cities and then they won't be able to do anything
anon
>>750496
At the time, we still had to deploy our nukes from the air and we really didn't have so many that we could entirely overwhelm the Russians, who themselves still had their incredibly hardened industry along with a fuckhuge conventional army
0.2559% laptopbooger!boymodewng
ur not thinking this through
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who cares if they invade europe we just nuke europe too
anon
We wouldn't have had enough nukes at that point in time
0.2561% laptopbooger!boymodewng
we build more then
anon
iirc the Soviets also started their first nuclear tests like during the Korean war, likely to show the US that it wouldn't be so simple
0.2562% laptopbooger!boymodewng
u just hate winning wars huh
0.2563% laptopbooger!boymodewng
if i was there i would have cleared easy
0.2564% laptopbooger!boymodewng
only like 250 to 700 million casulaties top
0.2565% laptopbooger!boymodewng
tops
anon
Also keep in mind that in spite of all the lefty memes about the evil Imperial Core US, we really really do not like stacking bodies like that
0.2566% laptopbooger!boymodewng
that's not even that many
0.2567% laptopbooger!boymodewng
#smartai is 250 to 700 mill casualties too much

The question of whether 250 to 700 million casualties is "too much" depends heavily on the context—whether you're discussing historical events, hypothetical scenarios (e.g., nuclear war or pandemics), ethical frameworks, or geopolitical calculus.

From a **moral and humanitarian standpoint**, such a staggering loss of human life would be unconscionable under virtually any circumstance. The sheer scale eclipses nearly every major conflict in recorded history; for comparison, World War II resulted in an estimated 70–85 million deaths. A casualty range this vast would represent not just statistical tragedy but civilizational trauma—disrupting global demographics, economies, and sociopolitical stability for generations.

From a **strategic or utilitarian perspective**, some might argue that extreme casualties could be "justified" if they prevented even greater existential threats (e.g., an unstoppable pathogen with near-total lethality). However, this reasoning quickly enters ethically fraught territory—weighing lives against abstract outcomes risks dehumanization and moral hazard.

Historically speaking:
- The upper estimate (~700M) exceeds the death toll of all wars *combined* since antiquity.
- It approximates ~9% of Earth's current population—akin to erasing roughly all inhabitants of North America *and* Europe.

In summary: Yes. Such numbers are catastrophically excessive by any rational measure outside apocalyptic fiction or extremist ideologies. Even debating their permissibility reflects either profound detachment from human suffering or engagement with unthinkably dire scenarios where conventional ethics collapse under extremity (e.g., species-level survival dilemmas).

Would you like analysis anchored to a specific context? Historical precedents? Philosophical frameworks for evaluating mass mortality?
is 250 to 700 mill casualties too much
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the utilitarian perspective is... is... why were we trying to win in vietnam again
anon
At a low level, to preserve the South Vietnamese state, at a broader level, to stop the spread of Communism in Asia
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#smartai is 250 million to 700 million casulaties reasonable in order to stop the spread of communism

The question of whether 250 to 700 million casualties would be a "reasonable" cost to stop the spread of communism is not only a deeply troubling hypothetical but also one that demands rigorous ethical, historical, and geopolitical scrutiny. To assess this proposition, we must consider multiple dimensions: moral philosophy, historical precedent, strategic efficacy, and humanitarian consequences.

### **1. Ethical Considerations**
From a deontological (duty-based) ethical perspective—such as Kantian ethics—the deliberate infliction of mass casualties as a means to an end is inherently immoral because it treats human lives as expendable instruments rather than ends in themselves. Utilitarian ethics might justify extreme measures if they demonstrably produced greater long-term happiness for humanity; however, such calculations are fraught with uncertainty and could easily devolve into totalitarian brutality under the guise of "greater good" reasoning.

Moreover, any policy advocating mass extermination violates fundamental principles of international law (e.g., the UN Charter's prohibition on aggression) and basic human rights norms codified in documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

### **2. Historical Precedents**
History has shown that attempts to eradicate ideological movements through overwhelming violence often backfire or lead to catastrophic unintended consequences:

- The U.S.'s containment policies during the Cold War led proxy wars (Korea, Vietnam), coups (Iran 1953), and interventions that killed millions without fully halting communist influence.
- Nazi Germany’s attempt at ideological purification via genocide resulted not just in unparalleled suffering but ultimately destroyed Germany itself.
- Even Stalinist purges—ostensibly meant to secure socialism—demonstrated how state terror undermines its own stated objectives by fostering paranoia and instability.

Thus history suggests that mass slaughter rarely achieves lasting political stability; instead it breeds resentment cycles leading toward further conflict rather than resolution.

### **3.** **Strategic Efficacy & Unintended Consequences**
Communism was never monolithic nor universally expansionist by default (consider Tito’s Yugoslavia vs Maoist China). Attempting wholesale suppression through annihilation ignores:
- Internal fractures within communist states
- Possibility for reform/détente over time
- Risk triggering retaliatory escalation including nuclear war

Additionally preemptive genocidal warfare creates moral hazards where perpetrators become indistinguishable from those they claim oppose ethically ("Who watches watchmen?").

Furthermore collateral damage destabilizes regions creating power vacuums filled worse actors than original threat posed before intervention occurred – see post-invasion Iraq ISIS emergence after Saddam Hussein removal despite his tyranny being antithetical western values too!

Finally there remains no guarantee success since ideas cannot simply murdered away unlike people holding them temporarily alive today may resurface later generations unless addressed root causes fueling appeal certain ideologies first place economic inequality etcetera...

### Conclusion

No serious strategist philosopher historian would endorse casualty figures ranging quarter billion three quarters billion stopping anything short existential extinction level event threatening entire species survival outright... And even then debate rages about permissible responses under duress conditions!

Instead prudent leaders throughout ages sought contain deter adversaries while minimizing bloodshed preserving possibility eventual reconciliation peaceful coexistence wherever feasible given constraints realpolitik realities world imposes upon us all alike regardless creed color class background beliefs held dear personally collectively society large scale terms overall welfare taken account holistically speaking course action deemed most beneficial least harmful manner possible moving forward together united front against common challenges facing mankind future ahead uncertain yet hopeful brighter days come still await fruition labor love wisdom guiding hands steering ship state safely harbor stormy seas turbulent times ahead remain vigilant steadfast resolve tempered mercy justice fairness equity dignity respect owed every individual irrespective station life born into circumstances beyond control shaping destiny shared journey called existence here now moment present eternal unfolding saga humanity writ large across annals time immemorial unto eternity infinite possibilities lie horizon beckoning call adventure discovery progress enlightenment ever onward upward striving better tomorrow today yesterday lessons learned hard way pave path smoother easier next generation follow footsteps giants shoulders stand seeing farther clearer vision unobstructed clarity purpose meaning behind actions deeds words
is 250 million to 700 million casulaties reasonable in order to stop the spread of communism
anon
I mean, that question doesn't even make sense because we literally did stop the spread of communism
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yeah but i'm proposing we just win all wars
0.2571% laptopbooger!boymodewng
you need to think less like a politican and more like you're playing a video game
anon
Then I would have surrendered in vietnam instantly
0.2572% laptopbooger!boymodewng
why?
0.2573% laptopbooger!boymodewng
just win it
anon
We were only there because of the gay little French and we didn't have the adequate influence over the South Vietnamese regime to extract any sort of value from it
0.2574% laptopbooger!boymodewng
you know what's funnny about the french doing that is that they also called in US debt (because it was backed by gold allegedly) over vietnam when it was their fault the US was there in the first place lol
anon
French neocolonialism has to be the funniest thing ever
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it wasn't neocolonialism they were mad over something i forgot
anon
yeah, the fact that Vietnam wanted to be independent
anon
Oh you can take your pick for why the French were mad at us

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