you take that back you raggedy bitch Macron is my her o

>>750328
I will fucking send you to South America you take that back

leftists in the EU are less stupid than leftists in america so they're probably not that bad

>>750331
#change less stupid to actually intelligent

i actually don't want to insult them, the leftists in the EU are very effective at political manuevering and securing wins for their people the leftists in america are actually braindead incompetent morons

Cus the USA is the imperial core

no it's because americans on a whole are lazy and stupid

Not very charitable view!

Every country has stupid folk

But you guys still have a funded education system that most children go through and people can read and write and have modern technology and services

that's true

it's not education that's the problem imo. It's the inability to recognize political realities and the ineffectiveness of organization

>>750341
And what is the cause for the American in-effectivity regarding this

they are lazy and entitled

Americans on a whole are so spolied and benefit so much from their system that no one actually tries to change anything

>>750345
Is this not at odds with the "vast majority of americans one paycheck away from being totally fucked over and foodstamps galore" and such

at least that's my take, that's why the EU leftists are very good at manuvring, winning power and eneacting change

>>750347
I think that's just on a whole, not true

Stats say 57% are paycheck to paycheck but self reported ja

is that self-reported?

oh my bad, sorry for being so combatitive you're just trying to engage in good faith. I apologize

I can see ur point anon about education perhaps

Yea i dont mean to be a dick or anything i just don't want to

No i was being a dick i apologize

Gotcha no worries

I just genuinely was curious as to how American's worked cus I'm from Europe myself and it's interesting to see how they differ on the other side of the pond

tbf a huge part of the reason for the EU being able to push different ideologies so well, is due the parliamentary system instead of the republican one. The parliamentary system encourages coalitions where the republican one tends to lead to two parties

>>750360
Oh yea I suppose

The boomers of Europe were all fuckin war veterans trying to repair burnt out husks lol

twink did i ever show you the video about the american education system in the 50s?

[YouTube]

it's from david hasslehoff and it' explores the transformation of the US education system from just after ww2 to how they changed it radically to make america into a super power of education, and how it was neglected.

basically it's more to your point that the boomers basically hit everyone with the "fuck you i got mine"

>>750368
#change hasslehoff to hoffman

like i think it's really interesting although i can't speak to the factualness of it, I haven't fact checked anything yet, i just watched it and it seemed interesting

Dude im not even 5 minutes in and only 2 hrs of school a day is already insane lol

from a nerd pov i think the challenge that they had of having to retool systems to much larger groups of people was really interesting

like im not a simp for china but if i was allowed to be inside the governemnt i would really really want to know how they manage that many people

it's insane

They learnt to not be retarded the hard way with the great leap forward

like managing that many birth cerificates or whatever the equivalent is and dealing with that is like so fucking interesting to me it must be so challenging

Well they r a centrally planned economy and actually use computers unlike a certain other communist nation Planning things is their forte and they learnt human psychology and how to account 4 it by dealing with retarded peasants

they're not realyl centrally planned

more large state owned enterprises with single party rules, but there is a large amoubnt of indepdent commerce in china, after the president in the 90s i forget what his name was yeah deng

Deng

The independent capitalists r on fairly tight leashes

sure but they exist with some level of indepdence nonetheless. I doubt the party gives a fuck about joe blow running a store in a tier 2 city

>>750385
i think this kind of thinking is bad but i get it

IF THE UNITED STATES EMPLOYED ME AS THE ONLY STATE OWNED ACTOR I WOULD CARRY (I HAVE 200 HOURS IN VICTORIA 3 I'M BASICALLY AN EXPERT)

I thought about this recently, Sure china is a "one-party state" but that's kind of in name only

they have elections for their representatives and there is a ton of different coalitions within the government who have different ideass for things. sure they have a "one party" but really that one party is like a bunch of different parties

Tbh

China feels like the only major country on Earth rn that could be the 'good guys' if they rlly wanted to

Every other country feels too incompetent and fundamentally evil

yeah i mean xi passed a law i think basically meaning he would be president for life? or a long time i forget which. But like that law had significant pushback from the party members IIRC

>>750399
A lot of ppl think there was a silent coup and they just keep Xi up for appearances so China doesn't look weak lol

like i'm not saying it's a Free and Fair (TM) democracy. But I think there's a lot more agency on the part of the chinese people. Like it's not a pure dictatorship I would say like Russia is

China rlly seems like they're doing their best i can't help but respect them

I watched a video on their economy though and that shit is barely holding on

LMAO

they download so much of their debt into state owned companies and provinces?States? whatever the divisions are in china. And the estimate for their debt is fucking nuts

>>750406
Ok ppl keep saying shit like that but they keep growing and building infrastructure and doing better than us and are increasingly dominating in every tech field and make like Everything

>>750411
for now, but what is borrowed must be paid eventually

there's a lot of issues in china right now economically. There's a large amount of youth unemployment. There's a lot empty cities, and there's a lot of municipal debt right now. It will be interesting to see how they address these issues for sure. I'm not sure what they're planning

China can clutch it .

>>750414
Chinese Ghost Cities were a myth im ppretty sure like all those ghost cities r inhabited now

it's not just ghost cities lol. There are a lot of portions of cities that were empty. And the municipalities have a ton of debt

there are a lot of myths about china, to be sure though

>>750418
twink i found out its not the CCP it's the CPC apparently

i'm actually in the communist party 4 my country and had the opportunity once to go visit china and do a speech. didn't have the guts though lol

China seems very nice to visit!

I would wanna go one day

>>750422
I'm actually not memeing I ended up on a chinese subreddit basically and yeah it's the CPC not the CCP, apparently the west called it the CCP for reasons

I think there's a diffwerence between Chinese Communist Party and Commuinist party of China. I think it's probably better to say the latter. Saying Chinese Communist Party makes it sound inherent to Chinese people

which i think is kinda racist once it was pointed out to me

It's the Communist party of China. You don't have to, I just think it's a distinction that is important IMO

vs Communist Party of France?

I mean I kinda think it makes it sound inherent to the people

rather than just being a political party

Lik4e i'm not saying ur racist for using it, I'm just saying I saw that pointed out and It resonated with me

That's fair

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's Complicated (TM)

basiaclly

and i'm white as fuck btw, but from what i understand if you don't speak mandarin it's hard to find good sources on it

BORING

but fair that's kinda cool

My favorite history is the 16-1900s (early)

even then not really the 16th more the 17th century and onwards

it was pretty chaotic in china at that time period yes

>>750451
say the answer then.

anyways twink anon we should just invite china to take us over (non imperially of course ;))

it wouldn't be imperial if they invaded us and took our land

of the ImPeRiAl CoRe?/?????? ?????

hehe

i don't have as many issues with china as you do, but i did want to make clear that i am not a communist lol so that's why i made that joke

to be fair i couldn't really see china doing an imperial land grab, at least at this point in time

Tawaiin is complicated and i wouldn't necessarily consider it imperial

oh i didn't know about that one

Tawaiin is the only thing I could see them doing in the next 1-10 years

This United States Government? I don't think so

Can you give me the steelman for why China shouldn't have Tawaiin back? This is my understanding, like it's essentially like if the southern states went to hawaii and declared themselves a different government and the US didn't have the resources or time to go and take back hawaii. It's still apart of the US.

Like I'm not dug in on this poistion right now, and you seem knowledgeable, is there something I'm missing?

Ok that's fair I guess

I'm too, 4x brained

because if I was playing china in a 4x game I would be invading 1billion percent, mostly out of pettiness

wait but why wouldn't they have backed vietnam in that war???

what's the Khmer Rouge?

oh

in cambodia

I was always under the impression that the soviets and the Chinese government backed vietnam, more the soviets but, i'm not super educated on that time period in history

what about tactical nukes idiot

ok twink but what about tactical nukes they could have won if they did that

maybe ur just a pussy

ok so? you don't think a few blam blam tactical nukes would have worked

what if they just hit moscow with it

but they didn't have nukes at that point no?

ok fine we nuke like 20 of their cities and then they won't be able to do anything

ur not thinking this through

who cares if they invade europe we just nuke europe too

we build more then

u just hate winning wars huh

if i was there i would have cleared easy

only like 250 to 700 million casulaties top

tops

that's not even that many

#smartai is 250 to 700 mill casualties too much

The question of whether 250 to 700 million casualties is "too much" depends heavily on the context—whether you're discussing historical events, hypothetical scenarios (e.g., nuclear war or pandemics), ethical frameworks, or geopolitical calculus.

From a **moral and humanitarian standpoint**, such a staggering loss of human life would be unconscionable under virtually any circumstance. The sheer scale eclipses nearly every major conflict in recorded history; for comparison, World War II resulted in an estimated 70–85 million deaths. A casualty range this vast would represent not just statistical tragedy but civilizational trauma—disrupting global demographics, economies, and sociopolitical stability for generations.

From a **strategic or utilitarian perspective**, some might argue that extreme casualties could be "justified" if they prevented even greater existential threats (e.g., an unstoppable pathogen with near-total lethality). However, this reasoning quickly enters ethically fraught territory—weighing lives against abstract outcomes risks dehumanization and moral hazard.

Historically speaking:
- The upper estimate (~700M) exceeds the death toll of all wars *combined* since antiquity.
- It approximates ~9% of Earth's current population—akin to erasing roughly all inhabitants of North America *and* Europe.

In summary: Yes. Such numbers are catastrophically excessive by any rational measure outside apocalyptic fiction or extremist ideologies. Even debating their permissibility reflects either profound detachment from human suffering or engagement with unthinkably dire scenarios where conventional ethics collapse under extremity (e.g., species-level survival dilemmas).

Would you like analysis anchored to a specific context? Historical precedents? Philosophical frameworks for evaluating mass mortality? is 250 to 700 mill casualties too much

the utilitarian perspective is... is... why were we trying to win in vietnam again

#smartai is 250 million to 700 million casulaties reasonable in order to stop the spread of communism

The question of whether 250 to 700 million casualties would be a "reasonable" cost to stop the spread of communism is not only a deeply troubling hypothetical but also one that demands rigorous ethical, historical, and geopolitical scrutiny. To assess this proposition, we must consider multiple dimensions: moral philosophy, historical precedent, strategic efficacy, and humanitarian consequences.

### **1. Ethical Considerations**
From a deontological (duty-based) ethical perspective—such as Kantian ethics—the deliberate infliction of mass casualties as a means to an end is inherently immoral because it treats human lives as expendable instruments rather than ends in themselves. Utilitarian ethics might justify extreme measures if they demonstrably produced greater long-term happiness for humanity; however, such calculations are fraught with uncertainty and could easily devolve into totalitarian brutality under the guise of "greater good" reasoning.

Moreover, any policy advocating mass extermination violates fundamental principles of international law (e.g., the UN Charter's prohibition on aggression) and basic human rights norms codified in documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

### **2. Historical Precedents**
History has shown that attempts to eradicate ideological movements through overwhelming violence often backfire or lead to catastrophic unintended consequences:

- The U.S.'s containment policies during the Cold War led proxy wars (Korea, Vietnam), coups (Iran 1953), and interventions that killed millions without fully halting communist influence.
- Nazi Germany’s attempt at ideological purification via genocide resulted not just in unparalleled suffering but ultimately destroyed Germany itself.
- Even Stalinist purges—ostensibly meant to secure socialism—demonstrated how state terror undermines its own stated objectives by fostering paranoia and instability.

Thus history suggests that mass slaughter rarely achieves lasting political stability; instead it breeds resentment cycles leading toward further conflict rather than resolution.

### **3.** **Strategic Efficacy & Unintended Consequences**
Communism was never monolithic nor universally expansionist by default (consider Tito’s Yugoslavia vs Maoist China). Attempting wholesale suppression through annihilation ignores:
- Internal fractures within communist states
- Possibility for reform/détente over time
- Risk triggering retaliatory escalation including nuclear war

Additionally preemptive genocidal warfare creates moral hazards where perpetrators become indistinguishable from those they claim oppose ethically ("Who watches watchmen?").

Furthermore collateral damage destabilizes regions creating power vacuums filled worse actors than original threat posed before intervention occurred – see post-invasion Iraq ISIS emergence after Saddam Hussein removal despite his tyranny being antithetical western values too!

Finally there remains no guarantee success since ideas cannot simply murdered away unlike people holding them temporarily alive today may resurface later generations unless addressed root causes fueling appeal certain ideologies first place economic inequality etcetera...

### Conclusion

No serious strategist philosopher historian would endorse casualty figures ranging quarter billion three quarters billion stopping anything short existential extinction level event threatening entire species survival outright... And even then debate rages about permissible responses under duress conditions!

Instead prudent leaders throughout ages sought contain deter adversaries while minimizing bloodshed preserving possibility eventual reconciliation peaceful coexistence wherever feasible given constraints realpolitik realities world imposes upon us all alike regardless creed color class background beliefs held dear personally collectively society large scale terms overall welfare taken account holistically speaking course action deemed most beneficial least harmful manner possible moving forward together united front against common challenges facing mankind future ahead uncertain yet hopeful brighter days come still await fruition labor love wisdom guiding hands steering ship state safely harbor stormy seas turbulent times ahead remain vigilant steadfast resolve tempered mercy justice fairness equity dignity respect owed every individual irrespective station life born into circumstances beyond control shaping destiny shared journey called existence here now moment present eternal unfolding saga humanity writ large across annals time immemorial unto eternity infinite possibilities lie horizon beckoning call adventure discovery progress enlightenment ever onward upward striving better tomorrow today yesterday lessons learned hard way pave path smoother easier next generation follow footsteps giants shoulders stand seeing farther clearer vision unobstructed clarity purpose meaning behind actions deeds words is 250 million to 700 million casulaties reasonable in order to stop the spread of communism

yeah but i'm proposing we just win all wars

you need to think less like a politican and more like you're playing a video game

why?

just win it

you know what's funnny about the french doing that is that they also called in US debt (because it was backed by gold allegedly) over vietnam when it was their fault the US was there in the first place lol

it wasn't neocolonialism they were mad over something i forgot

https://www.gullerpenger.no/publikasjoner/artikler/how-france-secretly-repatriated-all-its-gold-before-nixon-s-dollar-devaluation-2024-10-08/

this explains it they were upset about the breton woods in general and once they saw the US was spending so much on vietnam they struck (or panicked if you want to be charitable)

De Gaulle opined that American imperialism supported its capital export. In January 1963, he told his spokesperson:

Western Europe has become an American protectorate without even realizing it. We must now rid ourselves of their domination. But the difficulty here is that the colonized don't really want to emancipate themselves. Since the end of the war, the Americans have subjugated us painlessly and without much resistance.

omg the french complainaing about colonism is hilarious

>GUYS WHEN YOU DO IT IT'S NOT FAIR

twink

do you ever feel like a plastic bag

>>750546
#kiss

idk its just afunny saying idek what its from

LORILORILORLIROLRORLRORILRROLRIRLORLIRL

OMG

LORI

LORI

LORI HI

#KSAY LORI LORI LORI LORIL ORLIRLO LRIOR LORI

>>750562
#SMOOCH I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH

HI

wherre have you been?????????????

who knows anything about baton rouge?

what?

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

wonder where saeki is at also HIII LORIS :3333333

>>750576
why don't you just ask her

>>750577
im lazy and nervous

>>750582
::strawgirl
#throw

>>750582
fake strawgirl fan detected...

>>750579
thas good thas good thas good

>>750585
#smooch i dedicate this to booger my biggest fan who i secretly have a huge crush on but dont tell her though

stop larping about living in baton rouge, we all know you live in los angeles you coastal elite

i don't live in LA

>>750595
hurtful mabe i want to live in LA

California is bigger than texas

I hate San Diego

it has the word "san" in front of it so it's a FOREIGN IMMIGRANT CITY
::MURICA

erm it's just LA it's onyl 2 letters idiot

no idea

we took like 5 states from mexico why were we like "oh no but you can have this small slice" like what was the point

we didn't we took texas (which if you ignore the imperialism is the funniest possible military intervention ever)

they were like fuck we can't look imperialist, so they set up a bunch of troops in the middle of mexico and when the mexican army attacked them they were like "ohhhhh noooooooooooo i can't believe they're attackign us we didn't want this at all nooooooooooooooooooooooo" and then they waltz into mexico city in like a few months, and then the president was so pissed off at them, he limited taking only the 5 states. When I believe the military or congress wanted the US to take like almost to mexico city

anyways it was really funny

grokeries ?

>>750632
tbf mexico only owned the parts that america took for like >10

wait which one is less than

they did not own california texas new mexico, and arizona for very long

which was part of the reason that america had them up for contention

yeah the mexico american war was 1846-1848

and the northern parts of mexico was sparsely populated, which lead to the whole texas affair

man i wish i was a girl

#ksay lori

#ksay lori

#ksay lori

#usay lorilorilorilorilorilorilorilorilorilorilorilorilori

#ksay lori

strawgirl we need to alternate saying lori

#usay lor

#ksay lori

#usay lori

#usay lori

#dsay lori

#usay lori

#ksay lori

#say lori

#usay lori

#glesay lori

#ksay lori

#glesay lori

#dsay lori

>>750665
#ksay lori

>>750668
#usay lori

typical lesbian. bunch of dykes on this board

>ERM you can go to settings to UNBLOCK PEOPLE PLZ DON'T BLOCK THEM PLZ PLZPLZLZPLZPZLPLZPZ,PLZ

It's working pretty good lmao

why don't they just go around

they should make the newfoundland-quebec-ontario-manitoba-saskachewan-alberta-bc canal and have it go right through the middle of each of those

>>750678
do i wanna know what type of juices shes referring to

ah of course

>>750684
waow

>>750686
lori do you believe in hobosexuals

wouldn't you like to know...

i love instagram

nuh uh you can't bite me

>>750695
#kiss

i am quite glad that labby is not here so that i can openly admit that i have a huge crush on her secretly

>>750697
this is an imposter btw in case shee sees this

>>750700
Actually this is the imposter

either way whoever wrote this >>750697 is the imposter

.play tell me you know good kid

>>750705
dawg what

>>750709
oh hey, you just made a common spelling mistake here. It's "Dog" not "Dawg". I hope that you appreciate this helpful little spelling tip.

>>750711
that's too edgy... FRICK

>>750712
um... im s-sorry i actually did appreciate it a lot....................
#smooch

>>750714

>>750716

that's so not true i just looked it up and her face wasn't there at all