>>90190
this is just a weird blanket statement that doesn’t cover all liberals in the slightest

Biden and his a

his gab are liberals but they have been the most anti corpo since roosevelt

are you guys all dense

we have not been a genuine democracy for decades

>>90199
wdym a ‘genuine democracy’, what qualifies as genuine to u

>>90201
read the fucking chart

>>90201
government represents the citizens wishes

read the. fucking chart. dumb little teenager edgelord shit fuck

>>90202
unsourced unhelpful chart tysm

>>90203
we do have too many old ppl but keep in mind there are also way too many old ppl alive to be represented

i am 🤏 this fucking close to mod abuse

democracy is when the democrats win

Biden has genuinely been the most pro union president in a while tho and that is just a fact

scratch a liberal and a fascist yells

get away from me radioactive post

>>90220
this entire site is a hole in the water you fill with money

democracy is when i elect Mussolini in hoi4–

>>90232
#halt

bitch

how did you do that

stop talking

>>90239
bingledingle

>>90241
#freeze

#death to all that i hate

>>90244
#freeze

>>90245
didn’t know we were in the presen

>>90248
#freeze

woke police

>>90256
what?!???

the women’s are coming after me

>>90263
link to the store page....

>>90267
ah yeah that's not a real "app" then, it's your browser saying "hey here's a thing that looks like an app you can click to come here quicker"
ur fine dw

>>90268
yeah i just use da website itself... apps are boring...

punching in the eye in general is cool

>buying video games
simply pirate everything. prawnblem solved

violence = good actually

>>90280
ye

australia are nerds for banning that game its so fucking good

>>90292
yes

>>90294
basado

imagine if there was a mixup at the post office and instead of biden president we got bionicle president that would be so cool.....

having a jobs is nothing like living under a totalitarian regime thats stupid

>>90337
#editai change jobs to job

he said the alternative of having a job was to starve but you can change jobs is he stupid?

>>90344
way better and different than living in a country where you cant move from and have only 1 master you cant change

>>90349
>everything i dont like is fascist

nice

i hate fascists and collectivists in general

i hate people gathering and doing things together leave me alone

isnt anarcho capitalism like, government only exists to protect your private property? or is government not a thing at all

i think its basically no government

so like you have private security services and stuff? everything is subscription

and the main issue is that everyone would kill each other?

ughhhhhh take the politics out of libpol!!!!!

>>90392
sorry!

dont tell the mods

xd

im kitten

its all just so tiresome though

not this discussion specifically just like politics in general

>>90393
how would that happen? that group need to exist before and needs to be organized, if everyone has their own private army would it be easy to just become the master?

so like, terrorist groups would probably be on top of the chain

its also possible that it will be quite peaceful

i mean, countries are in anarchic relationship with teach other, theres no world police but most countries arent at war

>>90379
hmmm i wonder what the politics of the person who made this image are, its really hard to tell 🤔

>>90408
as opposed to a populist elected by normies owning it?

>>90407
#editai replace teach with each

friendly reminder libpol is an absolute monarchy

>>90416
this is true as long as the peasants value their own lives more than their ideology, which is *almost* always true, but every time it's not true the elite get shocked pikachu face and then die in unfathomably brutal ways

what about anarcho communism

in theory anything can be better

#ai what is anarcho communism

Anarcho-communism is a political and economic ideology that advocates for the abolition of both the state and private property, with the goal of creating a society where all goods and services are owned collectively by the community. In anarcho-communist societies, workers would have control over their means of production and distribution would be based on need rather than profit. This system relies on mutual aid, voluntary association, and decentralization to achieve its goals. what is anarcho communism

>>90423
#reply what if i offer someone a job under anarcho communist system

If you were to offer someone a job under anarcho-communism, it would likely look different from traditional capitalist systems. There may not be a formal hiring process or hierarchical structure, as decisions are made collectively and everyone has equal ownership over the means of production. Work would also be geared towards meeting the needs of the community rather than generating profit for individuals.

Ultimately, offering someone a job in anarcho-communism would involve inviting them to join in on collective efforts to produce goods and services for the benefit of all members of society. They would have equal say in decision-making and receive their fair share based on their contributions. what if i offer someone a job under anarcho communist system

The elite have to maintain a modicum of quality of life or people stop valuing their own lives more than the point they're making

>>90425
#reply what if they agree that i will have more ownership than them

1. Be based on mutual agreement and consent. As there is no private ownership, you would not have sole authority over the means of production or the ability to unilaterally offer someone a job.

2. Involve discussing roles, responsibilities, and compensation together with the individual in question. This could be done through open discussions within the community or workplace, where everyone has an equal say.

3. Focus on meeting communal needs rather than personal gain. The goal of work under anarcho-communism is to provide for the basic needs and well-being of all members of society instead of generating profit for individuals.

4. Emphasize collaboration and cooperation rather than competition or hierarchy. Jobs may be organized in a way that encourages teamwork and collective decision-making rather than top-down management structures.

5.Heavily consider each person's skills, interests, and abilities when assigning tasks or creating job positions. Anarcho-communism values diversity and recognizes that every individual has unique talents to contribute towards building a more equitable society.

Ultimately, offering someone a job under anarcho-communism would involve working together as equals towards common goals while promoting autonomy and self-management for all individuals involved in the process. what if they agree that i will have more ownership than them

and historically the elite are very, very bad at seeing this pattern develop while it's happening.

this is stupid, so basically there would be no government but somehow if i offer someone a contract to work for me where i exploit them and they agree that just wont work? who will prevent it?

i think libertarianism is maybe cool in a vacuum if everyone starts from 0 but as it is it basically just hands the reigns of power over fully to the exact same capital owners who are currently abusing their semi-limited control of those reigns

>>90434
i was talking about anarcho communism

ancap makes more sense

It's basically just saying "yeah internal amazon policy should be law actually"

in right wing economics i can basically offer contract to people freely, and they can agree if they want, further left you go the less freedom i have in what i write in the contract. if you give people freedom to do that they will choose to exploit each other instead of forming organizations thats run democratically like in socialism

>>90437
not peeing in bottles = fined ten thousand amazon kreds (one week salary)

cities are a mistake. small communities dont have this problem. if you personally know every person you interact with then exploitative labor is much harder to stomach, and those who can stomach it get quietly shot and buried and nobody ever speaks of it again

like you can actually start a commune under capitalism its not against the law, but you cant start a capitalist org in a socialist system

>>90449
I dont agree with this I think on average people are fundementally good and care about others

But every political system thus far selects for the most sociopathic individuals as leaders

>>90455
ye

And every form of government we know is for some reason set up so that only that evil fraction can ever have the reigns of power

>>90449
did you reply to a wrong post?

Taozism unironi figured this out 2500 years ago. the best leaders are those who do not want to lead

>>90463
i agree with what you said tho its impossible to pick a perfect system cuz humans are chaotic and you cant predict how theyll behave under specific circumstances

>>90465
im gonna be honest im not even scared of le ai overlord i think the way its currently going, they have to be trained on massive piles of data and the only way to aquire that data is from average (ie good) people and I do think it would be more sympathetic to human life than 99% of politicians

>>90468
i'd vote for this

arguing about economic systems is frustrating because you cant test stuff and verify like you can do with computers, people can ruin anything

bzzzzzzzz

but anarcho communism is fundamentally flawed

ai please take over

uiroi

bzzzzzzzzzzz

>>90482
hi recima :3

bzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>90473
you should still try to get as close as you can to choosing better options tho, its not completely hopeless ig

>>90483
yes unironically though

I like ai overlord

why would it be mean

bzzzzzz

People are mean because they are addicted to pleasures of the flesh

why would an ai have that problem

>>90483
one of my professors had this as wallpaper, a smiling computer with this text

>>90492
the flesh be pleasureable tho u gotta admit.........

>>90493
yees

it was creepy

bzzzzzz

>>90496
yes but a leader shouldnt be subject to human whims they should be impartially and unemptionally assessing the best way to minimize suffering

only a robot with no concept of personal suffering can do that with no conflict of interest

bzzzz

look morty i turned myself into a bee im beerecima morty

>>90501
oops the robot overlord became misaligned and made my kidneys into paperclips :(

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>>90509
need to teleport to that universe asap. sounds rad

>>90507
i think this is a silly thought experiment, i understand where its coming from but like I dont even think that melting humans would be high on the list of a paperclip maximizer, i think it would realize humans are useful tools to better create and organize paperclip production and the best way to maximize their production to this end would be to provide for them properly

The current people in power dont even legislate in their own long term interests, it would be healthier for them and their status as elite to stop this downward spiral into lower quality of life. But they are so fucking obsessed with quarterly profits they cant even think of yearly profits much less the profits of their grandchildren

>>90513
but what if the humans don't want to make paperclips... do they get thrown into the paperclip hole to be clipped?
i suppose the main fear is just a misalignment between the goals of humanity and the goals of the robot(s) that are a billion times smarter and faster than all of humanity put together.... we're kind completely at the mercy of a thing like that without much hope of things being controllable

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>>90517
no they do whatever they want to do because it still grows and supports society = more people who DO want to make paperclips

humans are a very bad source of raw materials, so are all the things that keep us healthy and happy

much better, for instance, to dedicate all human resources to space exploration and try to go track down ONE single high purity iron ore asteroid and bring it to earth, that will always be 100x as efficient as melting down humans, that is the nature of the distribution of resources in the world

>>90527
pretty tho I'm sure she's got good priorities

>>90523
idk nonny i think you're focusin a lil too much on the paperclip angle and less on the... "this robot wants to do something that we don't want it to and we can't control it" angle

humans are extremely high impact at enacting change and low impact at consuming resources

>>90527
real post

if you set it up right we are entirely self sufficient

think if you're playing a clicker game and all you want to do is have more paperclips. you have an idle resource that makes you 1 billion paperclips per year. you can melt it down now, for 10 billion paperclips, or you can let it run in the background and start focusing on that star over there with 2^1000 paperclips worth of iron in it

>>90528
we're also incredibly unpredictable and inherently dangerous to a bot that wants things that we don't.... might be easier to just take control of everything and kill the humans quickly n painlessly so they don't cause damage to my epic goals of paperclip maximising...

I'm OK with some ai based stuff but the ultimate solution is going to be to empower the good parts of ourselves and connect them between us.

it just doesnt add up

abusing humans is anti-efficiency by every metric

>>90532
what if i made another one of me and we both did the things we wanted. oops ezpz

EXCEPT quarterly profit

and we think the intention is to convert the entire universe to paperclips, right? so the humans will be the very last thing to be melted down. because they are useful with a minimum amount of oversight and do your work for you

>>90537
abusing humans is inefficient
killing all humans is very efficient

>>90541
idk i think a bot that's one squillion times smarter and more capable than meatbags won't rly see humans as useful......

nothing else in the universe spontaneously generates paperclips except for humans

so why do you burn a long term asset for short term profits, it is just not a good decision from a soulless unemptional standpoint

>>90544
yet >:)

that is why it can be misaligned with our interests but still protect us lovingly