I found this tumblr post the other day basically calling hdg fans manchildren, im still kinda seething abt it

https://www.tumblr.com/harbinger-of-the-defiled-heiress/780196718697414656?source=share

>>266916
>wouldn't it be cooler if you featured slave labor in your fictional post-scarcity society
urghhhh

>>266916
>You'll need to be on Tumblr to see this particular blog

>>267525

>>266916
kink is so hard to pin down that people can really easily hate and excuse it with flimsy support. like "hdg is just like asking the dom to do everything" is a fair criticism from some that's never read any hdg, or has read it but is arguing in bad faith. it *could* be that, but it's not. at least for the most part. look what you did, now i'm seething too. are you happy?

i need an hdg rimworld mod that plays like divaricated

QOTT:

Affini:
How would you comfort a floret whose favorite show was cancelled?

Florets:
How does your owner make you feel better when you have sad thoughts about the past?

Independents:
Would you consider seeing a vet to help you stop caring about something or someone you miss? Do you ever think about the friends you lost between human domestication and now?

Feralists:
Have you ever considered the consequences for others of your choice to be angry and miserable all the time?

>>272177
>How does your owner make you feel better when you have sad thoughts about the past?
she reminds me that things are better now. i don't have to worry about those sad thoughts from my past life before she found me and rescued me from having to be independent. things are better with mommy, she takes care of me. sometimes she takes me to go get ice cream or to have a floret sleepover with some of my friends and it helps remind me just how different things are from when i was so sad

also nectarmilk breastfeeding, but only if i'm really good

do the people here know there is also a bunker thread on 8chan?

>>277368
i actually found that one before i visited this place at all yeah

>>277368
where

>>266916
can someone archive or screenshot this or something, i can't be bothered to make an account to read it

>>278227
I don't really get what they are whining about tho. It's clearly written by subs who want that. it's wish fulfilment

>>277999
8chan.moe on the /trash/ board

>>278086
it's struggling with the extra traffic atm. give it till tomorrow morning they're supposed to be updating their equipment tn

>>278435
It's dead again...

>>278920
yeah. splitting such a tiny community between two bunkers seems like a bad idea, though. maybe i should link this thread there?

okay i read human domestication guide up to the third chapter and then i got bored

>>279069
If you can that would be nice. I think I like it better here too.

are you sure everyone there would even care about this site/want to come here

>>279677
It doesn't stand out at all.

>>279873
most of them are /tttt/ anons I think? it come from lgbt in the first place
but this place isn't supposed to allow nsfw, then again nothing in that thread is even explicit so

>>279968
i guess
i just think its at least good to place some roots down (lol) on other sites just in case this one goes down too

>>280276
i hope not
are you guys equipped to handle a full scale sharty raid? theyve taken a few altchans down that way, i feel like this sites strength rn is its extreme obscurity
still tho its worrying that /tttt/ only has one bunker not counting reddit when most strong communities have several
sry for being alarmist tho

>>266282
I don't think you need to do covert ops for /hdgg/ here lol
unless the mods are the same as he last place?

>>280473
Those losers are trying to sabotage everyone else too now? Just why

>>280518
theyve been doing it for a looong time, way before the 4ch hack
its practically site culture (that and doxing random people)

>>272343
well

>>280473
They only got 4 down because 4 was literally running decade-old code with no security updates. As long as a site isn't run by idiots, these kids can't do much worse than a ddos.

Sigh... seriously, guys? A fucking HDG thread?

I just... wish HDG and 4tran didn't have such a large overlap, because it's... such a horrid setting.

>>281098
yeah 4ch was the only real time they actually "killed" a site but usually what they do is they just raid & make it unusable until the act of maintaining the site is too much for the owners
this site might end up in their crosshairs if they find out abt it and become inundated with spam

>>272177
anyway,
>have you ever considered the consequences for others of your choice to be angry and miserable all the time?
Yes. That's why I hide my anger and misery from everyone and will promptly kms if my cover is ever blown.

>>281254
there's been an HDG thread on 4chan for a little under... a year, maybe? it was banished from /lgbt/ after a few threads and lived on /trash/ after that. was moderately active.

>>281254
It creeped me out at first too, but after finding some interesting stories in the setting I'm into it as a sci-fi setting even if I'm not into the turbo-sub kink.

>>266282
glad to see that no matter the circumstances tttt’s hdg community remains indestructible

>>286767
one could say we’re impossible to get rid of… almost like a weed ;D

>>285122
owo

>>283787
I responded differently... personally, I wrote a massive hatefic.

But yeah, the scifi in the setting is pretty damn good. That's why I made some weird spinoffs.

>be floret, napping in your owner's vines
>she tells you you're going to get ice cream because you've been so good
>but all you've done today is lie quietly and get petted...
>she ignores your objections and takes you into town
>as you're thinking about your order, you see a... skeleton?
>he's really short and has weirdly wide hips, and you can guess what that means
>he sees you looking and comes over to talk with an affini tagging behind him
>apparently his world was used to being invaded so when the affini arrived to help they fought hard
>his brother was among the first captured, and his brother's best friend was there with him
>the battle didn't last long but the affini had to spend months cleaning up everyone who went into hiding
>the king (they had one, apparently) resisted hard but was inevitably beaten
>the royal scientist was dabbling in weaponizing the dead which traumatized quite a few affini
>their "superweapon" defected as soon as someone told him he'd be a hit on affini tv and he'd get a trillion views easily
>when they finished just about everyone else the affini finally reached this skeleton guy
>he was ready to fight too, but they explained they weren't killing anyone and offered him breakfast
>they didn't have to egg him on more than that!
>right...
>he says he's happy as a floret, not having to worry about boring things like cleaning up after pranking his brother
>he says everyone's living in the compact now except one weird flower guy they haven't been able to capture
>he keeps rewinding time to stop them from getting him or something, the explanation doesn't make much sense to you
>skeleton guy walks to the counter and asks for one of what you're having
>the cashier smiles and hands him an empty ice cream cone
>the skeleton looks confused than laughs and walks off nibbling at his dry breading
>huh
>but you know what you want to eat now!
>it's going to be so good!

>>291996
Undertale!

>>289863
Also I tend to prefer a somewhat fluffier view of the affini, where preservation of human culture when possible is at least of academic importance and randomly acquiring florets off the street is frowned upon.

>>292130
Nah, the shit they do is pretty nakedly evil. Ever read anything by SaphicSounds?

The Affini are orders of magnitude more powerful and intelligent than any human. Every domestication is akin to pedophilia or bestiality. Even if people were throwing themselves at the Affini (without any of the biorhythm stuff they use to attract them like flies), it would be the Affini's responsibility to reject them.

It's like how, if a middle school student wants to date their teacher, it's the teacher's responsibility to say no. And, no matter how enthusiastic the middle schooler's "consent" is, the difference in power and maturity makes true consent impossible.

>>292305
I did say "somewhat".

>>292390
fair tbh

>>292305
ok but this is not real though

>>292501
Fair. that’s ok if it’s just a kink and people are aware of it.

but there are people who say things like “god I wish the Affini came and fixed everything” and just portray them as amazing and benevolent. And that’s just not true. The Affini are evil and this setting is a dystopia. Sure, it’s a sexually exciting dystopia for some people, but it’s still a miserable dystopia that can ruin peoples’ psyche.

Especially given what *some* people do - talk about how they want the Affini to save them everhwhere where trans people exist, despite the fact that many are uncomfortable with them doing so, and not understanding them at all.

>>292305
>>292615
seeing anyone argue about the ethics of what is essentially plant alien mind rape porn (or just rape porn tbqh) is more amusing than the actual source material

>>293020
cringe

>>292615
I for one hope for a speedy arrival since I've thought about it and I'd genuinely be far better off.

>>293635
Live in a horrible dystopia without rights, or live in a horrible dystopia without rights in the body you'd be more comfortable in. I get where they're coming from.

tike

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>>295092
lurking0angel

>>295017
It's Neitzche's personal hell. How can you become the übermensch when self-control is practically criminalized? Also there's the problem of a type of drug that's described as "identity erasing and thought obliterating" that is entirely legal to use for "difficult cases". The fact that they aren't super banned paints the regime as extremely sinister.

>>295017
You're making my point for me.
You're forgetting that domestication is often done involuntarily and without consent.
Florets are quite literally described as property. And, to compound this, the fact that only an Affini is allowed to own a floret makes it racist. This is like JK Rowling's excuse that the house elves are happy being enslaved, so everything's all fine and dandy. Let's laugh at Hermione's attempt to call attention to the welfare of these people, because it "isn't actually bad".

The fundamental fact is that it's a surveillance state. Nobody is given any fundamental rights, like the right to autonomy and independence (considering that all enemy soldiers are domesticated), like the right to privacy, like the right to say what you want without consequences (even if it's harmless), and anybody who questions the state's legitimacy is disappeared and forcibly reeducated with drugs. Let's not even mention the biorhythms, which are designed to undermine peoples' psyches.

>no money, everything is free

So what if everyone's free when nobody is?

>magic space hrt that lets you have a body indistinguishable from a cis woman in a few weeks

Humanity's probably already come up with something better.

>a massive and peaceful empire spanning more distance than you could possibly comprehend that you're allowed to travel in freely

Peaceful? Frankly, domestication is an inherently violent endeavor. Just because they're good enough at war to make it a non-issue doesn't mean there's no violence.

> would you seriously choose to not live in the affini compact (if you had the choice) just because you might be taken in by an affini and loved more than you could imagine for the rest of your life?

God, this is why I hate the setting the most. It isn't a self-aware dark sex thing. It's something people genuinely argue for.

Yeah, I'd rather die than live in the HDG world. Better to be dead than to constantly experience powerlessness, aimlessness, and the fear of complete self-destruction at the hands of an esoteric rapist.

What the fuck is this conversation lol

>>295776
People applying reason to a coombrain fantasy.

sometimes i think of similar scenarios in terms of like. what if humans became the "cats" of a machine superintelligence, like cats are to us. like if something that thought in such terms would treat us with such kindness and nurture us because they loved us, to ease me out of the bad shapes i've been bent into from the circumstances of the imperfect world i've been put into

i guess narratively that's comparable to the "rogue servitors" of stellaris which are written in a varying number of ways ranging from lovely to sinister though the "a better world is NOT possible" types typically lean the latter which is kind of reflected here in terms of the fictions where the affini behave in a more sinister fashion

ultimately since it's largely an amalgam of themed fanon there's not really. "A" specific way the affini act but it's typically in a very benevolent way compared to, many other ways first contacts could go?

>>295629
Slavery is the ownership of people. No more, no less. Slavery is not the extraction of labor from people; it is ownership.

It isn't about material conditions; it's about power, it's about the ability to change things. That is what the Affini take from the species they domesticate.

It isn't an extreme version of safety standards -- especially because people are not allowed to commit suicide.

This argument is like "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", and it might be true. But, nobody wants people staring intently at the porn they look at because it's private.

The right to privacy isn't because of how these searches can be abused. It's also about dignity.

Revoking the right to self-determination is also a problem in and of itself, in the same way. The problem is that humanity is at the Affini's mercy. The problem doesn't disappear just because they won't do it; the subservience is just problematic. End of story.

Personally, considering how we treat our pets, I'd much rather be dead than a pet. Dogs and cats are neutered without their permission or knowledge, medicine is just inserted into their food, their brains are hacked with simple reward schemes, and they're taught to do tricks whenever their owners want to be amused. There is no dignity in being a pet.

Besides, independents are kind of... forced to be happy. And an Affini can generally force an independent into florethood for the crime of being depressed, or autistic, or (from Independence is Easy), for simply doing something in their morning routine improperly.

The thing is, domestication is used as a cure-all condition, and an Affini who likes a particular person will try to turn them into their pet, regardless of their wishes. Need I mention biorhythms again?

At times in certain fanfics, people are reprimanded and their boundaries are violated for the simple crime of upsetting a floret by saying no to them.

Just, seriously, what the fuck?

Fictions i particularly liked/thought were cute:
Good Sensory (cute and nice fluff): https://archiveofourown.org/works/58671715/chapters/149498425
Saving a Stray (about saving a diyhrt permaboymoder from a death spiral of no health insurance and helping her blossom from her subdued self): https://archiveofourown.org/works/45378595/chapters/114171934

to be honest the discourse on "whether the affini are evil or not" seems like its a vague parallel to an ancient discourse of like. a decade+ prior, where there were a bunch of my little pony fanfictions about humans being turned into ponies systematically, usually because the earth was being destroyed for one contrived reason or another and only ponies being able to leave or whatever, and there being flame wars on if that was an evil thing to happen or not, the "conversion bureau"

it mostly stands out in my mind due to Jennifer Diane Reitz's (an og online trans woman) writing in that setting, especially since her work particularly centered the ways living among contemporary humanity tended towards cruelty - I wonder what she'd think of the HDG setting

>>297764
That's fine, as long as you concede that it's a dystopian horror setting. There's nothing saying that you can't enjoy it. I'm just asking for you to acknowledge that the setting is genuinely very problematic.

if superintelligent/superagentic aliens showed up and were benevolent, i'd like to be "uplifted" by them to be one of their peers, much as we envision uplifting other animals

and like. what if the human society sucks and needs to be toppled over because there's a lot of people trapped in there suffering for pointless reasons besides like. the personal schadenfreude for whoever's on top

though in the context of common hdg scenarios this is going from one shitty surveillance state to another shitty surveillance state, it doesn't really call into question like. the structural/hierarchical dangers of a society being set up like that, a regime change suddenly meaning that that data is now used to persecute/exterminate a demographic or whatever. but i guess it's part of the "extreme externalization of locus of control" aspect for the HDG setting so consequences like that typically aren't in scope

idk if there's a more general niche of fiction around the theming of exodus to a kinder alien culture

>>295322
The affini know how to manipulate people into thinking their interests are being served, they do not actually serve sapient life as a whole. Suffering is a key part of being human, pain spurs us to grow and change, florets are robbed of this and aren't even sober enough to recognize that anything is wrong. Make no mistake either, florets are inevitably turned into glassy-eyed drug addicts by their owners, it's only a matter of time before you take the first hit of alien heroin and the circular logic of "flort do thing > flort feel good > do thing more to flort" gets going.

"suffering is a key part of being human" is an ultracope platitude that only exists in a scenario where suffering is compulsory, but since wireheading is boring i am inclined to see the whole "compulsory xenodrug use" detail as undesirable, at least personally. It can be fun for some in a BDSM setting, which is a substantial aspect of what draws people to the scenario

>>298652
I agree, curiosity spurs me much more than anything else. Suffering makes me want to rot

>>295202
What reason would a human have to seek greater being? An affini owner could grant anything said human desires without hesitation. What room is there for progress? What morality is there to transcend when the affini already have no need of human morality? No ubermensch is needed when plommy cuddles all the scary feelings away.

>>296986
>Slavery is the ownership of people
Florets aren't people.

>>298947
curiosity and play drives me to seek improving my own faculties, so I can learn to see the world in a wide gamut of new ways! if i were without that i would wither like a creature in a confinement too small and unstimulating

>>298652
Lord of the Rings was in part inspired by Tolkien's experiences in the first world war, Neitzche's own works were written because of his deep fear of humanity's future. Think of how many songs are inspired from or about loss, how many authors or painters or musicians are or were troubled individuals,

>>299496
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>>298034
Yeah, that would be nice, but the Affini don't do that.

>>299496
people created moving works from experiences of strife != experiences of strife are necessary to create moving works

>>299551
the affini do whatever the author wants them to

>>298652
I mean, not really. Know the thing that gives you the desire to create and inspire and love?

It's actually called "boredom". A negative emotion.

If you will ever truly be at peace, you won't want to do anything. I mean, one of the main things that weed does is, it makes feeling bored okay. And, because of that, a lot of stoners experience stagnation where they're content just smoking weed and not doing anything in particular, consuming mildly stimulating content, not really talking to people much at all, and slowly wasting their lives away.

>>299496
>>299500
(CONTINUED)
and how they bled to make their works. There is a certain beauty in the pain, it is after all our most primal motivator to change. To remove it is to put a hole in the human soul.

>>299569
Possibly, but it is undeniable that many of our greatest works are written in blood. Besides, it is an aspect of our being, I think on some level we can't function without it. How can you have depth without light and shadow?

>>299616
draw from the madness of the waking dream

>>299271
Affini are very smart. They know that humans need lots of exciting things to do to stretch their adorably ruffly little brains. Just as pets need to be well fed and clean, they need to be entertained, something many humans seem to have difficulty understanding with their pets unfortunately. Wouldn't you want someone you could trust to help you find new interests to keep yourself stimulated?

>>298947
The Affini not considering florets to be people is called objectification (or depersonization, if you want a more general category). That's also really bad. I mean, it's still slavery; you can't just define them as not people.

Here's a question: Are independent humans people? If independent humans are people, but floreted humans aren't people, then domestication is literally murder (there once was a person, but there's no person anymore).

If independent humans aren't people, then that's literally just pretending that humans aren't people, and thus don't have moral standing. If you're willing to argue that, I'll concede, but only if you agree that it's okay for me to murder you in cold blood because you aren't a person.

>>299573
Nope, they can't violate the canon axioms, or it isn't HDG anymore :)

>>299644
sure, but uplifting doesn't seem like it falls outside of the canon axioms, and the axioms leave a lot of wiggle room for author interpretation anyhow