>>548240
i do actually read your dms

>>548243
i just only respond infrequently because im a bad person. sorry about that i really wish i wasnt like this. it infuriates most of the people i know.

>>548244
nah political agender is whatever. i meant moreso that even if someone doesn't have a strong sense of gender, if they don't really have a sense of absence of gender then they're not agender.

>>548252
this is in the sense that many cis people literally just never think about gender? like if u ask a cis woman "whats it mean to you to be a woman" they'll either say "i dont know" or "i got XX chromosomes lol". and then they conform to the social role of female regardless

>>548255
agender requires more knowledge than this

there's literally a hermeneutical gap in cis people's understanding of gender. it doesn't occur to them that the social aspect of gender is socially constructed, so when they don't feel gendered, it's not necessarily because they're agender, it's just that they exist in a world where there's not a separate sensation of gender.

>>548265
this is also why i believe u need dysphoria to be trans btw. not in like the sense of like u need to feel a specific way about your body or whatever

>>548274
you mean like femboys? lol

>>548274
i think that this is a contradiction of terms in my sense of dysphoria. i think that if you're transitioning you literally have like a separate sense of how you want your gender to be and its different from your current one

>>548304
yeah but it's not just a different image of how you want to be, it's a different image of how you want to be in relation to your gender. if a guy is like "im still male but i wanna look like a girl" then they don't have like an incongruity of *gender* just of appearance.

>>548308
if they are like "i feel like a girl" then even if there's no negative experience to it i think it's still dysphoria (in the sense of a feeling of incongruity)

>>548317
and in this case i think its just a poor use of terminology that it sounds negative

effortposting in livechat is so hard

>>548326
what i was saying above though is that i just dont think this exists. like if you don't feel like you're a different gender you're not trans. and if you do that's dysphoria.

>>548370
that's not what i said. crossdressers don't feel like the other gender.

>>548380
its a very simple definition. if you feel like the other gender thats like dysphoria.

i understand there's like a separate experience of like disgust with one's body or self but this is overlapping terms lol

>>548389
if u look at the dsm they have like "incongruence between sex characteristics" and also like "desire to be of the other gender" and "a conviction that you are of the other gender" etc. i think these are pretty accurate

>>548404
the way its used a lot of the time is stupid im just saying the literal face value definition (interpreted charitably--not interpreted as a retard psych would) is pretty good

>>548412
yea but i do believe that we agree.

im a right wing extremist and think that doctors are wrong

>>548432
idk what this means

>>548448
well um. i disagree with it there. lol

i just think their like 6 criteria (u gotta meet two to have dysphoria) are pretty perfect as a diagnosis for being trans

>>548458
okay but talking about what definition should be adopted by society is not the same as talking about which definition is most accurate.

>>548468
its not a mental illness

>>548478
uh no

also no

being fertile isn't an illness yet i support access to birth control.

>>548490
just because healthcare is necessary it doesn't mean you're ill

>>548495
"disability is a part of life experienced by most people either temporarily or permanently" is one of my fav quotes on the politics of disability

okay but that's like not uhh proof that being trans is a mental illness

>>548512
makes sense. above i tried to remark on this, but there's like multiple things referred to by dysphoria. there's obviously what ur describing in the message, but then there's also just like gender incongruity (or being trans i guess lmao). and i think the dsm 6 part definition of gender dysphoria (minus the impaired functioning and stuff) is a perfect definition of the latter.

>>548515
i actually cant take effortposting in livetype its killing me

>type more than one sentence
>message off top of screen

okay the chat moving is actually annoying me for some reason now im gonna go

>>548572
bisexuality

>>548579
sucks for you im actually exclusively lesbian

>>548585
i do too just those attached to beautiful women (kidding lol im a virgin T-T)

>>548589
twinks are women

no i've said it from the start

first time i met u i said twinks are women