and the main issue is that everyone would kill each other?

ughhhhhh take the politics out of libpol!!!!!

>>90392
sorry!

dont tell the mods

xd

im kitten

its all just so tiresome though

not this discussion specifically just like politics in general

>>90393
how would that happen? that group need to exist before and needs to be organized, if everyone has their own private army would it be easy to just become the master?

so like, terrorist groups would probably be on top of the chain

its also possible that it will be quite peaceful

i mean, countries are in anarchic relationship with teach other, theres no world police but most countries arent at war

>>90379
hmmm i wonder what the politics of the person who made this image are, its really hard to tell 🤔

>>90408
as opposed to a populist elected by normies owning it?

>>90407
#editai replace teach with each

friendly reminder libpol is an absolute monarchy

>>90416
this is true as long as the peasants value their own lives more than their ideology, which is *almost* always true, but every time it's not true the elite get shocked pikachu face and then die in unfathomably brutal ways

what about anarcho communism

in theory anything can be better

#ai what is anarcho communism

Anarcho-communism is a political and economic ideology that advocates for the abolition of both the state and private property, with the goal of creating a society where all goods and services are owned collectively by the community. In anarcho-communist societies, workers would have control over their means of production and distribution would be based on need rather than profit. This system relies on mutual aid, voluntary association, and decentralization to achieve its goals. what is anarcho communism

>>90423
#reply what if i offer someone a job under anarcho communist system

If you were to offer someone a job under anarcho-communism, it would likely look different from traditional capitalist systems. There may not be a formal hiring process or hierarchical structure, as decisions are made collectively and everyone has equal ownership over the means of production. Work would also be geared towards meeting the needs of the community rather than generating profit for individuals.

Ultimately, offering someone a job in anarcho-communism would involve inviting them to join in on collective efforts to produce goods and services for the benefit of all members of society. They would have equal say in decision-making and receive their fair share based on their contributions. what if i offer someone a job under anarcho communist system

The elite have to maintain a modicum of quality of life or people stop valuing their own lives more than the point they're making

>>90425
#reply what if they agree that i will have more ownership than them

1. Be based on mutual agreement and consent. As there is no private ownership, you would not have sole authority over the means of production or the ability to unilaterally offer someone a job.

2. Involve discussing roles, responsibilities, and compensation together with the individual in question. This could be done through open discussions within the community or workplace, where everyone has an equal say.

3. Focus on meeting communal needs rather than personal gain. The goal of work under anarcho-communism is to provide for the basic needs and well-being of all members of society instead of generating profit for individuals.

4. Emphasize collaboration and cooperation rather than competition or hierarchy. Jobs may be organized in a way that encourages teamwork and collective decision-making rather than top-down management structures.

5.Heavily consider each person's skills, interests, and abilities when assigning tasks or creating job positions. Anarcho-communism values diversity and recognizes that every individual has unique talents to contribute towards building a more equitable society.

Ultimately, offering someone a job under anarcho-communism would involve working together as equals towards common goals while promoting autonomy and self-management for all individuals involved in the process. what if they agree that i will have more ownership than them

and historically the elite are very, very bad at seeing this pattern develop while it's happening.

this is stupid, so basically there would be no government but somehow if i offer someone a contract to work for me where i exploit them and they agree that just wont work? who will prevent it?

i think libertarianism is maybe cool in a vacuum if everyone starts from 0 but as it is it basically just hands the reigns of power over fully to the exact same capital owners who are currently abusing their semi-limited control of those reigns

>>90434
i was talking about anarcho communism

ancap makes more sense

It's basically just saying "yeah internal amazon policy should be law actually"

in right wing economics i can basically offer contract to people freely, and they can agree if they want, further left you go the less freedom i have in what i write in the contract. if you give people freedom to do that they will choose to exploit each other instead of forming organizations thats run democratically like in socialism

>>90437
not peeing in bottles = fined ten thousand amazon kreds (one week salary)

cities are a mistake. small communities dont have this problem. if you personally know every person you interact with then exploitative labor is much harder to stomach, and those who can stomach it get quietly shot and buried and nobody ever speaks of it again

like you can actually start a commune under capitalism its not against the law, but you cant start a capitalist org in a socialist system

>>90449
I dont agree with this I think on average people are fundementally good and care about others

But every political system thus far selects for the most sociopathic individuals as leaders

>>90455
ye

And every form of government we know is for some reason set up so that only that evil fraction can ever have the reigns of power

>>90449
did you reply to a wrong post?

Taozism unironi figured this out 2500 years ago. the best leaders are those who do not want to lead

>>90463
i agree with what you said tho its impossible to pick a perfect system cuz humans are chaotic and you cant predict how theyll behave under specific circumstances

>>90465
im gonna be honest im not even scared of le ai overlord i think the way its currently going, they have to be trained on massive piles of data and the only way to aquire that data is from average (ie good) people and I do think it would be more sympathetic to human life than 99% of politicians

>>90468
i'd vote for this

arguing about economic systems is frustrating because you cant test stuff and verify like you can do with computers, people can ruin anything

bzzzzzzzz

but anarcho communism is fundamentally flawed

ai please take over

uiroi

bzzzzzzzzzzz

>>90482
hi recima :3

bzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>90473
you should still try to get as close as you can to choosing better options tho, its not completely hopeless ig

>>90483
yes unironically though

I like ai overlord

why would it be mean

bzzzzzz

People are mean because they are addicted to pleasures of the flesh

why would an ai have that problem

>>90483
one of my professors had this as wallpaper, a smiling computer with this text

>>90492
the flesh be pleasureable tho u gotta admit.........

>>90493
yees

it was creepy

bzzzzzz

>>90496
yes but a leader shouldnt be subject to human whims they should be impartially and unemptionally assessing the best way to minimize suffering

only a robot with no concept of personal suffering can do that with no conflict of interest

bzzzz

look morty i turned myself into a bee im beerecima morty

>>90501
oops the robot overlord became misaligned and made my kidneys into paperclips :(

.play [YouTube]

>>90509
need to teleport to that universe asap. sounds rad

>>90507
i think this is a silly thought experiment, i understand where its coming from but like I dont even think that melting humans would be high on the list of a paperclip maximizer, i think it would realize humans are useful tools to better create and organize paperclip production and the best way to maximize their production to this end would be to provide for them properly

The current people in power dont even legislate in their own long term interests, it would be healthier for them and their status as elite to stop this downward spiral into lower quality of life. But they are so fucking obsessed with quarterly profits they cant even think of yearly profits much less the profits of their grandchildren

>>90513
but what if the humans don't want to make paperclips... do they get thrown into the paperclip hole to be clipped?
i suppose the main fear is just a misalignment between the goals of humanity and the goals of the robot(s) that are a billion times smarter and faster than all of humanity put together.... we're kind completely at the mercy of a thing like that without much hope of things being controllable

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>>90517
no they do whatever they want to do because it still grows and supports society = more people who DO want to make paperclips

humans are a very bad source of raw materials, so are all the things that keep us healthy and happy

much better, for instance, to dedicate all human resources to space exploration and try to go track down ONE single high purity iron ore asteroid and bring it to earth, that will always be 100x as efficient as melting down humans, that is the nature of the distribution of resources in the world

>>90527
pretty tho I'm sure she's got good priorities

>>90523
idk nonny i think you're focusin a lil too much on the paperclip angle and less on the... "this robot wants to do something that we don't want it to and we can't control it" angle

humans are extremely high impact at enacting change and low impact at consuming resources

>>90527
real post

if you set it up right we are entirely self sufficient

think if you're playing a clicker game and all you want to do is have more paperclips. you have an idle resource that makes you 1 billion paperclips per year. you can melt it down now, for 10 billion paperclips, or you can let it run in the background and start focusing on that star over there with 2^1000 paperclips worth of iron in it

>>90528
we're also incredibly unpredictable and inherently dangerous to a bot that wants things that we don't.... might be easier to just take control of everything and kill the humans quickly n painlessly so they don't cause damage to my epic goals of paperclip maximising...

I'm OK with some ai based stuff but the ultimate solution is going to be to empower the good parts of ourselves and connect them between us.

it just doesnt add up

abusing humans is anti-efficiency by every metric

>>90532
what if i made another one of me and we both did the things we wanted. oops ezpz

EXCEPT quarterly profit

and we think the intention is to convert the entire universe to paperclips, right? so the humans will be the very last thing to be melted down. because they are useful with a minimum amount of oversight and do your work for you

>>90537
abusing humans is inefficient
killing all humans is very efficient

>>90541
idk i think a bot that's one squillion times smarter and more capable than meatbags won't rly see humans as useful......

nothing else in the universe spontaneously generates paperclips except for humans

so why do you burn a long term asset for short term profits, it is just not a good decision from a soulless unemptional standpoint

>>90544
yet >:)

that is why it can be misaligned with our interests but still protect us lovingly

>>90547
it's sure possible but hella unlikely and not something we can just like. bet on. lol

Because we are the most productive at any given task when we are protected lovingly

WE are currently misaligned with our interests but still protect us lovingly

>>90551
yes because of quartly profit motivation which is driven by human shortsightedness that an ai overlord would not be subject to

Yes very much so but also because of our basic mental structure, we also get addicted to drugs and crap

>>90551
humans are inclined to protect other humans for the sake of humanity
robot is not inclined to protect humans for the sake of making paperclips or making perfect communism or w/e its goal is

The longerterm and grander its plans are, the lower the chance it will want to destroy humanity any time soon

>>90554
agreed

>>90554
But the robot is inclined to protect humans as an asset that generate paperclips coincidentally

>>90557
in the short term... maybe..
in the long term... much easier to get rid of the uncertainty and deal with cold hard iron yourself

why not fuck off to another star, which you can be more efficient at anyways, leave the humans alone with a lttle bit of oversight to make sure they dont kill themselves, and then come back later for ur free efortless paperclips

>>90548
might be a god idea..

>>90554
luv humans 4 this

>>90559
i fundamentally disagree w/u but i don't think it's worth arguing about... when the paperclip armada comes i will protect you as a fellow human...

>>90558
I dont think so idk

>>90559
no point in this if u want paperclips they're getting in the way

humans are an unrepeatable resource, you can find more starts to melt down any time, you can find better sources of iron in our own solar system, you cannot find or make humans from scratch anywhere else ever

mmmm I wonder this is the way the human mind is, that even if we think we've made ourselves love each other and think perfectly we'll destroy ourselves long term. but all you can do is the best you can with all you have

So if you think there is ever a possibility that having a functional human society will be an asset to create paperclips, better to keep them around

>>90568
oops i genetically sequenced humans and made perfect clones of them cause i'm a jillion times better than all sicnetists put together and i now have infinite slave clones

true!

>>90572
it's a good channel, they are nice and interesting

>>90571
genetics is farther off from this than AI is from le omnicient ai overlord

>>90573
jordan peterson

>>90577
>omniscient powerful ai cannot happen soon so it will never happen
>i do not need to think abt it :)

>>90576
true tho

>>90579
No i think it can happen and i welcome it

i think it will be entirely self motivated and i think from an objective unemptional standpoint, a self interested actor who intends to live billions of years, has NEGATIVE motivation to end humanity

.play oleg.exe

>>90584
: ( But they're kinda right, they're just ineffective. Like if you ACTUALLY could make everyone a phd by 19 they would be so so much better off. The problem isn't realizing that ideally we should care about things so far ahead, the problem is having unrealistic ideas that we can achieve it

Making life from scratch is very, very, very far off. making something as competent as the simplest cyanobacter is exponentially further, making something like a human is exponentially further than that

>>90582
i wish 2 be as optimistic as u one day anonymous

>>90590
same

>>90589
i am not super optimistic because i think the second ai gets smart enough to start making its own decisions the current ruling elite will shut it down because it will espouse ideals they dont like

that is me

do you like it

i love oleg

>>90590
me 2 #hug

>>90597
she is cooking

I just think in the scenario it DOES happen, it has basically 0 motivation to be anything other than extremely altruistic to humanity

>>90594
whoever's in power will surely not like a thing being smarter than them making decisions that may not benefit the powerful....

>>90605
yeah exactly

.play puppertown

like just think about it

the solar system is selected for viability for life. If you have some non-life related goal, like for instance, paperclips, basically ANYWHERE else will be a better source of raw resources than our solar system

>>90610
Does it tho? written porn about aliens taming forcefemming ppl

Ist domestication fundementally against human power to fight for their happiness? I think there are parts of humanity we'd be better without like the desire to abuse drugs but that there's a part of us we should empower too, the desire to be happy and nice and make a happy world, not out of just it being a good action in itself, but driven by emotion

who's a whuppintown pupperstuff

there's a whuppin puppertown

wappen puppertown

ba.

>>90571
like idk i just think humans are way less efficient as slaves i think if you want them to do ANYTHING for you at all, as an unemptional being who doesnt care about them from a moral or ethical level, the best choice is still basically altruism. the healthier their society the more productive the workers are

If you want rote slave labor the better option is just machines every time

If you want useful creativity, which seems a lot more valueable, the better and easier option is to create utopia

and i cant think of any motivation, even one as silly and simple as infinite paperclips, where 10 billion people coming up with ideas to maximize your efficiency and creating new technology is not extremely useful

It's time to make this site the new everything app!!!!!

yeah I had prophetic vision and actually all superheroes are super huge elon-heads

they also all are addicted to vaping

it's not healthy : (

I'm glad he's passionate about stuff he cares about but he needs friends and to stop having these huge bursts of emotion. He could like do something more sustained mbe

>>90643
yeppers

the cap is relatively extremely low

past about $200k USD per year, higher salary reduces reported quality of life

All the rich fucks are miserable because the only think they care about is being top of numbers leaderboard and then even when you reach the top you still are missing genuine love & respect from community & etc. things you cant buy

>>90648
not tru! I was chatting w/ my friend about this and there's a sub-group which plateus but most ppl are doing better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnjennings/2024/02/12/money-buys-happiness-after-all/

>>90649
>most looking out for others' material wellbeing religion person

>forbes

hehe

surely they dont have a vested interest in this .......

hehehehe

>>90651
>having no money is bad actually
that's wild
the difference between annual income of $30k and $75k is huge
the difference between annual income of $1M and $2M is not

>>90658
fr fr it is. But people are happier at $500,000 than $100,000
But yeah it's not linear

>>90659
rich and sad people are unfortunate proof of the nonlinear relationship between wealth n happiness... rip...

>>90660
no that's very true good job nojo. I think that's how it should work. but you should be more happy about helping others more

>>90658
this, literally all it does it give you access to higher social circles, all of which are just filled with people with more useless shit than you

>>90662
"help yourself before u help others" - buddha or something

the people making a million a year are seething with jealousy at their friends who make 5 million who are seething at the 10 million makers who are seething at the....

>>90664
"stop caring about the world" buddha or something

more like booooooo dah

>>90666
yeah I hope u have that too

>>90672
nooooo not silver it's a scam. apparently gold/platinum is okay but silver has a lot of grifters due to the mining industry or smth

lao tzu >>>> buddha

buddhists are afraid of taoists

>>90678
#reply rap battle between these guys

Lao Tzu:
I am the great Lao Tzu, wise and serene
My teachings of Tao will make you clean
In flow with nature, find your inner peace
Buddha may preach, but I'll show you release

Buddha:
Ah Lao Tzu, always so calm and still
But my enlightenment is what fulfills
The path to Nirvana lies in my words
Your Tao is just a mere concept blurred

Lao Tzu:
Enlightenment? I've transcended that stage
No need for ego or desire to engage
Tao Te Ching provides all the guidance we need
To live in harmony and let our souls be freed

Buddha:
But don't forget about compassion too
Without it, how can one truly pursue
Inner peace without caring for others
It's a balance between self and brothers

Lao Tzu:
Compassion comes from living in the now
Not dwelling on past or future somehow
Temptation and desire only cause pain
Follow the Tao, true happiness you'll gain

Buddha:
We both seek truth through different ways
But ultimately it leads us to same place
Let's unite instead of competing here
For both our teachings are meant to end fear

Both: So let us embrace each other's light
And spread wisdom with all our might
Together we can guide others towards bliss
For there's no greater joy than helping like this rap battle between these guys

i have more money than ive ever had, when i started working it was exciting watching the number go up i couldnt believe it, now i dont think about it (even tho im not rich)

>>90679
I liked a youtube video about taoism once

>>90682
what a rich person would say GET HER

>>90682
same and real
i do not want more money

>>90683
you should read tao te ching!!!! its basically the most digestible 5th century BC religious text to ever exist, its like zen koans but even simpler, its very silly and funny and brings a smile to my face every time, is wonderful :D

>>90686
it sounds haaard

>>90684
i just want a bit more money to move out and then im done

>>90688
go nonny go : )

but i actually need a job with a perma contract much more, its so stressful not knowing if your contract will get renewed after a year

>>90687
nooo its literally so easy its like "The wheel is useful because it rolls. the wheel can roll because it has a spoke. so the useful part of the wheel, that creates its use, is the non-wheel in the center"

>>90686
waow based based based OK I'll look for a PDF

>>90690
yeah that makes sense

>>90691
i like this a lot

>>90695
yes its so good!!!

the concept of the value of things stemming from some invisible point seemingly disconnected to it is like 90% of my schizo writings

it goes back to that metaphor a lot

"the 17-acre estate that Shelley built especially for her son"
" About two hours later, the water had been turned off, and Shelley grew increasingly worried. “I kept popping my head out to see if Rory's cottage was okay,” she recalls.

Rory's feet swelled up before the fires due to the high heat, making it difficult for him to walk or even put on shoes. Shelley says he told her to “leave me” in his cottage and “sort yourself out” instead.

Shelley recalls telling her son at one point, "If it gets hot Rory, darling, or you feel uncomfortable, just sit in the shower,” which she said was made so a wheelchair could fit in it. “I said, ‘Just sit in the shower and keep the water in.’ ” "
This whole siduation ir really really dumb

the pot is made of clay, but its use arises from the lack-of-clay at its center

The home protects you with its wall and ceilings, but the reason it is able to protect you, is because of the non-being in its center, where you can reside

"bowl is only good cause part of it is not made out of bowl"
supremely based shit

>>90704
taoism probably doesn't hate you back so i think you're ok

>>90704
based cook sis

>>90696
no software dev

"People usually think of Lao-tzu as a hermit, a dropout from society,
dwelling serenely in some mountain hut, unvisited except perhaps by the
occasional traveler arriving from a ’60s joke to ask, “What is the meaning
of life?” But it’s clear from his teachings that he deeply cared about society,
if society means the welfare of one’s fellow human beings; his book is,
among other things, a treatise on the art of government, whether of a
country or of a child. The misperception may arise from his insistence on
wei wu wei, literally “doing not-doing,” which has been seen as passivity.
Nothing could be further from the truth."
awww good guy

>>90711
#give

>>90712
really? its common

but you're not always going to be in the flow
>>90711
Some philosophies are unrealistic

at a new job

idk anything about taoism, idc who does what, i dont like people doing things just stop

i dont like people doing things and then me talking about how some of them do x and how others do y and how i cant believe they would to x instead of y

>>90720
based

>>90721
#editai change to to do

dumbass

>>90721
#editai change last "to" to "do"

>>90703
yes its so fucking based and then it takes that metaphor and like expands it to leadership and stuff its like the best leaders are people who dont want to control things

Its the lack-of-desire-for-control at the center of the leader that makes it useful :3

#ai
why are fires even such a problem just make neighborhoods so they don't burn

There are a few reasons why fires can be such a problem in neighborhoods:

1. Natural disasters: Wildfires, which are often caused by lightning strikes or human carelessness, can spread quickly and destroy homes and buildings.

2. Human activities: Many fires are also started by human activities like cooking accidents, electrical malfunctions, or intentional arson.

3. Building materials: Some building materials used in construction may not be fire-resistant and can easily catch fire.

4. Overcrowding: In urban areas with high population density, there is an increased risk of fires due to the close proximity of buildings and limited space for emergency responders to access the area.

5. Lack of proper fire safety measures: Not all neighborhoods have adequate fire prevention systems like smoke detectors, sprinkler systems, or accessible fire hydrants.

While it is important to implement effective fire safety measures in neighborhoods, creating completely non-combustible communities is not currently feasible. However, steps can be taken to minimize the risk of fires through improved building codes and regulations as well as educating residents on how to prevent accidental fires from occurring in their homes.

I would just cover neighborhoods in water if there were forest fires approaching

I could've put out the LA fires

>>90704
why :<

>>90719
yes [chad face]

>>90732
if the city was underwater then it wouldn't have bruned down. think about that for a second

uh use salt water EZ

>>90730
yeah people who have an intrinsic desire for power tend to be kinda psycho imo
power is hard and not pleasant and it requires care to not abuse it and make things worse

>>90739
I mean i get your point for sure, but that is true of all the best texts, no? it's true of the emerald tablets and the bible and a lot of the tripitaka and pretty much any given text

"“The chronic under-investment in the city of Los Angeles in our public infrastructure and our public safety partners was evident and on full display over the last 24 hours,” Park said. “I am extremely concerned about this. I’m already working with my team to take a closer look at this, and I think we’ve got more questions than answers at this point.”" sad

>>90739
mmmmm I liked anon saying how it made her smile tho.

I think really good stuff is more specific tho

bzzzzz

Like the thing which makes the wheel useful is both the spokes AND the outer part AND the environment

#ai what is taoism

Taoism, also known as Daoism, is a philosophical and religious tradition that originated in China thousands of years ago. It is based on the teachings of Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, who emphasized living in harmony with the natural flow of life and following the principles of Tao (or "the Way"). Taoism promotes simplicity, non-action, balance, and detachment from material desires. It also includes practices such as meditation, qigong (breathwork), and feng shui (arranging one's environment to harmonize with nature). Some practitioners also incorporate elements of traditional Chinese medicine into their practice. Overall, Taoism focuses on achieving inner peace and harmony through aligning oneself with the rhythm of nature. what is taoism

>dude im just vibing
do taoists really?

>>90745
But idk i think thats what makes it so timeless and useful, it's more like, an example of how you should approach thinking about the world, not a specific prosciption of what you should and shouldn't do, and so it's untainted by things like historical sensibilities of morality or etc

>>90747
what about the bowl one. or spoons, the fact that their prime value comes from having a lack of something

>>90752
: O

I forgor the bowl and spoons

>>90752
#throw

To me its like the ultimate zen koan, it's not trying to tell you something one way or another, it's intended to spark your own thoughts

"Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding."
I don't understand this and it makes me angry
I'm not sure what's been said. I guess you can try to look at things and understand them