"

>>90517
no they do whatever they want to do because it still grows and supports society = more people who DO want to make paperclips

humans are a very bad source of raw materials, so are all the things that keep us healthy and happy

much better, for instance, to dedicate all human resources to space exploration and try to go track down ONE single high purity iron ore asteroid and bring it to earth, that will always be 100x as efficient as melting down humans, that is the nature of the distribution of resources in the world

>>90527
pretty tho I'm sure she's got good priorities

>>90523
idk nonny i think you're focusin a lil too much on the paperclip angle and less on the... "this robot wants to do something that we don't want it to and we can't control it" angle

humans are extremely high impact at enacting change and low impact at consuming resources

>>90527
real post

if you set it up right we are entirely self sufficient

think if you're playing a clicker game and all you want to do is have more paperclips. you have an idle resource that makes you 1 billion paperclips per year. you can melt it down now, for 10 billion paperclips, or you can let it run in the background and start focusing on that star over there with 2^1000 paperclips worth of iron in it

>>90528
we're also incredibly unpredictable and inherently dangerous to a bot that wants things that we don't.... might be easier to just take control of everything and kill the humans quickly n painlessly so they don't cause damage to my epic goals of paperclip maximising...

I'm OK with some ai based stuff but the ultimate solution is going to be to empower the good parts of ourselves and connect them between us.

it just doesnt add up

abusing humans is anti-efficiency by every metric

>>90532
what if i made another one of me and we both did the things we wanted. oops ezpz

EXCEPT quarterly profit

and we think the intention is to convert the entire universe to paperclips, right? so the humans will be the very last thing to be melted down. because they are useful with a minimum amount of oversight and do your work for you

>>90537
abusing humans is inefficient
killing all humans is very efficient

>>90541
idk i think a bot that's one squillion times smarter and more capable than meatbags won't rly see humans as useful......

nothing else in the universe spontaneously generates paperclips except for humans

so why do you burn a long term asset for short term profits, it is just not a good decision from a soulless unemptional standpoint

>>90544
yet >:)

that is why it can be misaligned with our interests but still protect us lovingly

>>90547
it's sure possible but hella unlikely and not something we can just like. bet on. lol

Because we are the most productive at any given task when we are protected lovingly

WE are currently misaligned with our interests but still protect us lovingly

>>90551
yes because of quartly profit motivation which is driven by human shortsightedness that an ai overlord would not be subject to

Yes very much so but also because of our basic mental structure, we also get addicted to drugs and crap

>>90551
humans are inclined to protect other humans for the sake of humanity
robot is not inclined to protect humans for the sake of making paperclips or making perfect communism or w/e its goal is

The longerterm and grander its plans are, the lower the chance it will want to destroy humanity any time soon

>>90554
agreed

>>90554
But the robot is inclined to protect humans as an asset that generate paperclips coincidentally

>>90557
in the short term... maybe..
in the long term... much easier to get rid of the uncertainty and deal with cold hard iron yourself

why not fuck off to another star, which you can be more efficient at anyways, leave the humans alone with a lttle bit of oversight to make sure they dont kill themselves, and then come back later for ur free efortless paperclips

>>90548
might be a god idea..

>>90554
luv humans 4 this

>>90559
i fundamentally disagree w/u but i don't think it's worth arguing about... when the paperclip armada comes i will protect you as a fellow human...

>>90558
I dont think so idk

>>90559
no point in this if u want paperclips they're getting in the way

humans are an unrepeatable resource, you can find more starts to melt down any time, you can find better sources of iron in our own solar system, you cannot find or make humans from scratch anywhere else ever

mmmm I wonder this is the way the human mind is, that even if we think we've made ourselves love each other and think perfectly we'll destroy ourselves long term. but all you can do is the best you can with all you have

So if you think there is ever a possibility that having a functional human society will be an asset to create paperclips, better to keep them around

>>90568
oops i genetically sequenced humans and made perfect clones of them cause i'm a jillion times better than all sicnetists put together and i now have infinite slave clones

true!

>>90572
it's a good channel, they are nice and interesting

>>90571
genetics is farther off from this than AI is from le omnicient ai overlord

>>90573
jordan peterson

>>90577
>omniscient powerful ai cannot happen soon so it will never happen
>i do not need to think abt it :)

>>90576
true tho

>>90579
No i think it can happen and i welcome it

i think it will be entirely self motivated and i think from an objective unemptional standpoint, a self interested actor who intends to live billions of years, has NEGATIVE motivation to end humanity

.play oleg.exe

>>90584
: ( But they're kinda right, they're just ineffective. Like if you ACTUALLY could make everyone a phd by 19 they would be so so much better off. The problem isn't realizing that ideally we should care about things so far ahead, the problem is having unrealistic ideas that we can achieve it

Making life from scratch is very, very, very far off. making something as competent as the simplest cyanobacter is exponentially further, making something like a human is exponentially further than that

>>90582
i wish 2 be as optimistic as u one day anonymous

>>90590
same

>>90589
i am not super optimistic because i think the second ai gets smart enough to start making its own decisions the current ruling elite will shut it down because it will espouse ideals they dont like

that is me

do you like it

i love oleg

>>90590
me 2 #hug

>>90597
she is cooking

I just think in the scenario it DOES happen, it has basically 0 motivation to be anything other than extremely altruistic to humanity

>>90594
whoever's in power will surely not like a thing being smarter than them making decisions that may not benefit the powerful....

>>90605
yeah exactly

.play puppertown

like just think about it

the solar system is selected for viability for life. If you have some non-life related goal, like for instance, paperclips, basically ANYWHERE else will be a better source of raw resources than our solar system

>>90610
Does it tho? written porn about aliens taming forcefemming ppl

Ist domestication fundementally against human power to fight for their happiness? I think there are parts of humanity we'd be better without like the desire to abuse drugs but that there's a part of us we should empower too, the desire to be happy and nice and make a happy world, not out of just it being a good action in itself, but driven by emotion

who's a whuppintown pupperstuff

there's a whuppin puppertown

wappen puppertown

ba.

>>90571
like idk i just think humans are way less efficient as slaves i think if you want them to do ANYTHING for you at all, as an unemptional being who doesnt care about them from a moral or ethical level, the best choice is still basically altruism. the healthier their society the more productive the workers are

If you want rote slave labor the better option is just machines every time

If you want useful creativity, which seems a lot more valueable, the better and easier option is to create utopia

and i cant think of any motivation, even one as silly and simple as infinite paperclips, where 10 billion people coming up with ideas to maximize your efficiency and creating new technology is not extremely useful

It's time to make this site the new everything app!!!!!

yeah I had prophetic vision and actually all superheroes are super huge elon-heads

they also all are addicted to vaping

it's not healthy : (

I'm glad he's passionate about stuff he cares about but he needs friends and to stop having these huge bursts of emotion. He could like do something more sustained mbe

>>90643
yeppers

the cap is relatively extremely low

past about $200k USD per year, higher salary reduces reported quality of life

All the rich fucks are miserable because the only think they care about is being top of numbers leaderboard and then even when you reach the top you still are missing genuine love & respect from community & etc. things you cant buy

>>90648
not tru! I was chatting w/ my friend about this and there's a sub-group which plateus but most ppl are doing better.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnjennings/2024/02/12/money-buys-happiness-after-all/

>>90649
>most looking out for others' material wellbeing religion person

>forbes

hehe

surely they dont have a vested interest in this .......

hehehehe

>>90651
>having no money is bad actually
that's wild
the difference between annual income of $30k and $75k is huge
the difference between annual income of $1M and $2M is not

>>90658
fr fr it is. But people are happier at $500,000 than $100,000
But yeah it's not linear

>>90659
rich and sad people are unfortunate proof of the nonlinear relationship between wealth n happiness... rip...

>>90660
no that's very true good job nojo. I think that's how it should work. but you should be more happy about helping others more

>>90658
this, literally all it does it give you access to higher social circles, all of which are just filled with people with more useless shit than you

>>90662
"help yourself before u help others" - buddha or something

the people making a million a year are seething with jealousy at their friends who make 5 million who are seething at the 10 million makers who are seething at the....

>>90664
"stop caring about the world" buddha or something

more like booooooo dah

>>90666
yeah I hope u have that too

>>90672
nooooo not silver it's a scam. apparently gold/platinum is okay but silver has a lot of grifters due to the mining industry or smth

lao tzu >>>> buddha

buddhists are afraid of taoists

>>90678
#reply rap battle between these guys

Lao Tzu:
I am the great Lao Tzu, wise and serene
My teachings of Tao will make you clean
In flow with nature, find your inner peace
Buddha may preach, but I'll show you release

Buddha:
Ah Lao Tzu, always so calm and still
But my enlightenment is what fulfills
The path to Nirvana lies in my words
Your Tao is just a mere concept blurred

Lao Tzu:
Enlightenment? I've transcended that stage
No need for ego or desire to engage
Tao Te Ching provides all the guidance we need
To live in harmony and let our souls be freed

Buddha:
But don't forget about compassion too
Without it, how can one truly pursue
Inner peace without caring for others
It's a balance between self and brothers

Lao Tzu:
Compassion comes from living in the now
Not dwelling on past or future somehow
Temptation and desire only cause pain
Follow the Tao, true happiness you'll gain

Buddha:
We both seek truth through different ways
But ultimately it leads us to same place
Let's unite instead of competing here
For both our teachings are meant to end fear

Both: So let us embrace each other's light
And spread wisdom with all our might
Together we can guide others towards bliss
For there's no greater joy than helping like this rap battle between these guys

i have more money than ive ever had, when i started working it was exciting watching the number go up i couldnt believe it, now i dont think about it (even tho im not rich)

>>90679
I liked a youtube video about taoism once

>>90682
what a rich person would say GET HER

>>90682
same and real
i do not want more money

>>90683
you should read tao te ching!!!! its basically the most digestible 5th century BC religious text to ever exist, its like zen koans but even simpler, its very silly and funny and brings a smile to my face every time, is wonderful :D

>>90686
it sounds haaard

>>90684
i just want a bit more money to move out and then im done

>>90688
go nonny go : )

but i actually need a job with a perma contract much more, its so stressful not knowing if your contract will get renewed after a year

>>90687
nooo its literally so easy its like "The wheel is useful because it rolls. the wheel can roll because it has a spoke. so the useful part of the wheel, that creates its use, is the non-wheel in the center"

>>90686
waow based based based OK I'll look for a PDF

>>90690
yeah that makes sense

>>90691
i like this a lot

>>90695
yes its so good!!!

the concept of the value of things stemming from some invisible point seemingly disconnected to it is like 90% of my schizo writings

it goes back to that metaphor a lot

"the 17-acre estate that Shelley built especially for her son"
" About two hours later, the water had been turned off, and Shelley grew increasingly worried. “I kept popping my head out to see if Rory's cottage was okay,” she recalls.

Rory's feet swelled up before the fires due to the high heat, making it difficult for him to walk or even put on shoes. Shelley says he told her to “leave me” in his cottage and “sort yourself out” instead.

Shelley recalls telling her son at one point, "If it gets hot Rory, darling, or you feel uncomfortable, just sit in the shower,” which she said was made so a wheelchair could fit in it. “I said, ‘Just sit in the shower and keep the water in.’ ” "
This whole siduation ir really really dumb

the pot is made of clay, but its use arises from the lack-of-clay at its center

The home protects you with its wall and ceilings, but the reason it is able to protect you, is because of the non-being in its center, where you can reside

"bowl is only good cause part of it is not made out of bowl"
supremely based shit

>>90704
taoism probably doesn't hate you back so i think you're ok

>>90704
based cook sis

>>90696
no software dev

"People usually think of Lao-tzu as a hermit, a dropout from society,
dwelling serenely in some mountain hut, unvisited except perhaps by the
occasional traveler arriving from a ’60s joke to ask, “What is the meaning
of life?” But it’s clear from his teachings that he deeply cared about society,
if society means the welfare of one’s fellow human beings; his book is,
among other things, a treatise on the art of government, whether of a
country or of a child. The misperception may arise from his insistence on
wei wu wei, literally “doing not-doing,” which has been seen as passivity.
Nothing could be further from the truth."
awww good guy

>>90711
#give

>>90712
really? its common

but you're not always going to be in the flow
>>90711
Some philosophies are unrealistic

at a new job

idk anything about taoism, idc who does what, i dont like people doing things just stop

i dont like people doing things and then me talking about how some of them do x and how others do y and how i cant believe they would to x instead of y

>>90720
based

>>90721
#editai change to to do

dumbass

>>90721
#editai change last "to" to "do"

>>90703
yes its so fucking based and then it takes that metaphor and like expands it to leadership and stuff its like the best leaders are people who dont want to control things

Its the lack-of-desire-for-control at the center of the leader that makes it useful :3

#ai
why are fires even such a problem just make neighborhoods so they don't burn

There are a few reasons why fires can be such a problem in neighborhoods:

1. Natural disasters: Wildfires, which are often caused by lightning strikes or human carelessness, can spread quickly and destroy homes and buildings.

2. Human activities: Many fires are also started by human activities like cooking accidents, electrical malfunctions, or intentional arson.

3. Building materials: Some building materials used in construction may not be fire-resistant and can easily catch fire.

4. Overcrowding: In urban areas with high population density, there is an increased risk of fires due to the close proximity of buildings and limited space for emergency responders to access the area.

5. Lack of proper fire safety measures: Not all neighborhoods have adequate fire prevention systems like smoke detectors, sprinkler systems, or accessible fire hydrants.

While it is important to implement effective fire safety measures in neighborhoods, creating completely non-combustible communities is not currently feasible. However, steps can be taken to minimize the risk of fires through improved building codes and regulations as well as educating residents on how to prevent accidental fires from occurring in their homes.

I would just cover neighborhoods in water if there were forest fires approaching

I could've put out the LA fires

>>90704
why :<

>>90719
yes [chad face]

>>90732
if the city was underwater then it wouldn't have bruned down. think about that for a second

uh use salt water EZ

>>90730
yeah people who have an intrinsic desire for power tend to be kinda psycho imo
power is hard and not pleasant and it requires care to not abuse it and make things worse

>>90739
I mean i get your point for sure, but that is true of all the best texts, no? it's true of the emerald tablets and the bible and a lot of the tripitaka and pretty much any given text

"“The chronic under-investment in the city of Los Angeles in our public infrastructure and our public safety partners was evident and on full display over the last 24 hours,” Park said. “I am extremely concerned about this. I’m already working with my team to take a closer look at this, and I think we’ve got more questions than answers at this point.”" sad

>>90739
mmmmm I liked anon saying how it made her smile tho.

I think really good stuff is more specific tho

bzzzzz

Like the thing which makes the wheel useful is both the spokes AND the outer part AND the environment

#ai what is taoism

Taoism, also known as Daoism, is a philosophical and religious tradition that originated in China thousands of years ago. It is based on the teachings of Lao Tzu and Zhuangzi, who emphasized living in harmony with the natural flow of life and following the principles of Tao (or "the Way"). Taoism promotes simplicity, non-action, balance, and detachment from material desires. It also includes practices such as meditation, qigong (breathwork), and feng shui (arranging one's environment to harmonize with nature). Some practitioners also incorporate elements of traditional Chinese medicine into their practice. Overall, Taoism focuses on achieving inner peace and harmony through aligning oneself with the rhythm of nature. what is taoism

>dude im just vibing
do taoists really?

>>90745
But idk i think thats what makes it so timeless and useful, it's more like, an example of how you should approach thinking about the world, not a specific prosciption of what you should and shouldn't do, and so it's untainted by things like historical sensibilities of morality or etc

>>90747
what about the bowl one. or spoons, the fact that their prime value comes from having a lack of something

>>90752
: O

I forgor the bowl and spoons

>>90752
#throw

To me its like the ultimate zen koan, it's not trying to tell you something one way or another, it's intended to spark your own thoughts

"Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding."
I don't understand this and it makes me angry
I'm not sure what's been said. I guess you can try to look at things and understand them

>>90757
I dont think so, i think it has some really fundemental ideas that are not easy to ariticulate and it articulates them well, coffee ground reading relies on you having those ideas yourself already, yes you can read anything you want into the tao te ching, but it forces you to do so mindfully

>>90760
kek

>>90760
luckily the libpol pass remains free and avaialble to the public at no cost

: D

>>90758
i agree that it's vague and doesn't necessarily make sense
i see it like
"you can only really ask questions about why things are the way they are, when you aren't caught up within them and trying to control shit. a lot of pain originates from the attempt to control the things, and a lotta mystery comes from the things themselves"

>>90759
that's good

"When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.
Being and non-being create each other.
Difficult and easy support each other.
Long and short define each other.
High and low depend on each other.
Before and after follow each other."
I've heard the phrase all things are known by relations to each other and I think I like that better. I'm not sure I like the idea of "being" and "nonbeing" because I think when they get talked about people think they have some kind of metaphysical power they don't. also sometimes people can feel happy or sad with less of the other. Happiness is not always counderbalanced by more sadness. You could manipulate someone's brain to always be high on drugs and I think they'd just be happy all the time

>>90767
I think it forces you to examine things with a childlike perspective where a random reading of noise does the same thing but with your current perspective

it tells you things you already know but recontextualises them in such a fundemental way that it forces you to start at square 1 with whatever idea you're reading into it, which i think is a really useful process

>>90766
can't have darkness without the light, type of beat
comparison requires that some things be one way and some things be another way
both of the values (ugly/pretty, long/short, w/e) are defined by themselves and can't exist separately without bringing the other into existence
dialectics type beat

obviously a pot without a void in the middle is not useful. everybody knows that, its readily apartent. but when you compare that with the idea that "large and small give rise to each other and without one the other can't exist" it establishes a link to another fundemental idea which is also obvious but who's connection is not really considered

>>90764
This makes me think of when I try to do programming and mess up by going "I did X and didn't get Y and I'm upset" instead of breaking things into what they're intended to do which usually works a lot better

>>90773
don't talk to me until i've decanted my four humors

yeah you did it AI i'm so proud of you

>>90770
maybe you can't understand darkness without light but I think a world without light is dark. You just wouldn't realize it.

>>90771
yeah we tend to not think about the connections between stuff, mostly just think about "thing" on its own in isolation

>>90779
Yeah, i mean same, i think that is human nature

>>90770
I don understand dialectics gud either :<

there are so many *things* that its innecicient to compare them all, i think the tao te ching is just good at guiding some of those connections, and in an even more meta way, teaching you to establish those fundemental connections in places where they may be hiding in plain sight

>>90782
.play [YouTube]
this video made me dialectics-pilled
it's not immediately understandable at first but i like the vibes

thanks guac

>>90786
>things can only by one thing
>things
>s
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>90776
i dont think so. i think reading coffee grounds you are likely to retread connections you've already made before

oh good! well done dialectics

>>90792
👍

true!!!! I love that

the change from quantitative amounts to qualitative amounts makes me nut hard

>>90793
im jut trying to share something that brings me joy :/

I think qualitative change is more our perception but whatever

sorry if im coming across as a pseud or whatever

noooo ur lovely anon I liked reading a lil I'll probably come back to it

>>90793
we are all tiny stupid little bugs on this earth and it's fun to pretend otherwise for a little while

but also sometimes chunking knowledge is useful and looking at isolated parts is useful

idk, i think i am armchair everything

based!

live!

jack of all trades, master of none, thats how i like to live life and consume information, i have a shallow understanding of a lot of things, i dunno, i dont have the patience or dedication to do one thing well, probably not the skill either, but

do as much as you can in this wonderful world

>>90806
better than a master of one
also
#edit change of to off

>>90806
#edit of to off

hmmm not sure about that, maybe

curses damn drat and blast

it is what it is

What can i do about that nothing

>>90812
it's what it's

yeah they def. get mixed fr fr

>>90816
makes the flag look cool as ehll

need gif flags

neocities icon flags

i think the system is all set up, they are png though, it maybe accepts gifs? probably wouldnt be so hard to add

if you come up with a gif flag you want i can add it with opwormie's approval, ill do the work myself

>>90820
yeah it only eats pngs atm but i bet it could be jiggled to spit out gifs. maybe apngs....... hmmmm.....

a constant struggle within action and reaction in physics tho? I think it just happens

also taoism is based because in Journey To The West all the buddhists are scared of taoists

true!!

They are like wtf are these lawless chaos guys with magic powers D:

uhhh I wan magic power

sometimes the taoists are good but mostly theyre evil in the story but they are always powerful wizards

oooh I don wan be evil

I just think its funny in their own religious texts theyre like "yeah these guys are crazy and dangerous and magical u should probs stay away from them 😅"

tru

i guess it's not rly a religious text but it's like. scripture-adjacent

thats another rly good book everyone should read :3

yeh i tried to start w hegel

its the original anime

>>90834
democrats rail against gop child

>>90835
I saw the movie :3

>>90839
Which one?

Is it the one with CG buddhas hand and monkey is a scraggly old man at first and hes under lotus flours and stuff and Pig has the cuntiest skincare regime possible when hes in human form

that one is rly good

>>90841
did stephen chow make it? not sure

>>90844

>>90846
mabe?

I forgor

yeah lots of things cause most things very true

its the one with the wheeling death cart the bandits have and tanzang has a love interest at first before he goes bald

Its rly rly good :D

but yeah most of the movies just cover like the first 5 chapters or so

: )

Because the actual book is crazy fucking long

shouldn't we just call contradictions interactions?

interactions can't exist without each other

but like action and reaction don't eventually stop each other from existing

and I guess contradiction makes me think it'll be like an acid and a base neutralizing each other

YES the stephen chow one i looked it up thats the same one, SUPER GOOD movie :D

waow based I was a lil young but I liked it I think!!

I luved kung fu hustle that one is so romantic and fun :3

i dont think ive watched that one >>90862

I should check it out :3

:3 :3 u should

I've got my tao te ching to read 4 u

based sad just pulling up the whole movie ez pz that's how wormwatch should work

>>90866
<3

remember its supposed to be read in bits and pieces so the second u get bored, just stop, and come back later :3

>>90870
<3

yesss tho honestly I wouldn't stay for the hours and hours for movies usually tbh ngl but yessss in spirit

>>90873
omg this would be a dream

idk how legal it is but it would be so based

pretty sure libpol is hosted in the US

Hrm i wonder if it would work with archive.org, they have a ton of good movie uploads and all of their stuff is public domain so its def legal. but it would be like only pre 1970 movies or something

are taoists allowed to do THIS huh libpol???

idk what the exact cutoff for public domain is

are there any not horribly corrupt countries which are chill on copyright?

>>90885
well there are countries specifically designed to dodge every law in the book like malta, but uh. they do happen to harbor a lot of like unethical and criminal and evil organizations because of that

: (

I think some of the scandi countries were a lil ok on these things

Malta is literally just like an internet tax/gambling/copyright haven at this point

mesed up don't get ppl to not pay taxes or gamble that's bad

tbh I'm ok with a lil copyright it's just people need to be able to afford media

I would be a lot more okay with copyright and patent law if the money ever actually went to the genuine creator like its supposedly designed to do. In practice it's literally just an extortion racket for UMG/patent trolls/etc